I don’t think we should sack him but this post is silly. Football in 2023 is a result’s business and Ten Hag is no Fergie.
Our issues are deeper than the manager though.
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Our issues are deeper than the manager though.
If pigs float the same way they do after throwing themselves off a cliff, they'd be called pigeons
Ferguson became the best manager to grace the game, so you might as well say that Erik given 5 years will have to undoubtedly become better than Pep / Klopp and most managers in Europe if that comparison has any merit.
The club doesn't owe the manager loyalty, the manager like any position of employment has to prove himself and earn his credentials. I genuinely think the result was unlucky looking at the context of the game. The team played well for 45 mins which was a theme of last season, it's not something that is praise worthy because it's a low bar.
The game is a game of two halves either way and in boxing the term for these fighters is referred front-runners who box well for 6 rounds then fade for the rest of the fight. So like boxing football isn't 6 rounds it's the equivalent of 12, you have to be good in both halves to be consistent.
Didn't see many individual errors tonight tbh. Maybe the Varane failed clearance for the 4th goal. Just a total breakdown of team cohesion because of the loss of one player. That is a massive indictment on the coach. I mean we've literally had so many examples of top teams going one man down this season so we have many reference points. To concede 4 goals to a team that would be mid table at best in the PL because of the loss of a player who wasn't even a defender is ridiculous.
He's...a little bit like a bad luck charm. Nothing he seems to do seems to go right at the moment.
I don't think it's his fault we lost tonight. That red card decision was a farce and out of his control. The penalty decision was out of his control. The events that led to the corner that led to the third goal, and the defending that ensued were out of his control. But, saying all of that, there's a lot of negativity around the club, like a cloud. It's hanging over us. Whatever happened tonight, we're still bottom of our group and doing poorly in our domestic league. It's not looking good.
I don't think it's his fault we lost tonight. That red card decision was a farce and out of his control. The penalty decision was out of his control. The events that led to the corner that led to the third goal, and the defending that ensued were out of his control. But, saying all of that, there's a lot of negativity around the club, like a cloud. It's hanging over us. Whatever happened tonight, we're still bottom of our group and doing poorly in our domestic league. It's not looking good.
He won't kick up a fuss. He'll just accept it. That's why he has to go.
If he is still in a job this time tomorrow something is seriously wrong behind the scenes, the fact that we lost our RW to a red card and he changed absolutely nothing to accomodate for it shows how out of his depth he is at this level.
Again, all hindsight, but wonder if he could have gone 4311, as I mentioned in the match day thread, when we went 3-2 ahead?
Obviously, he can't help the stupidity of some of our players, but a midfield of Mount, Amrabat and Hannibal would have given us legs, which would have potentially pushed them back.
To me, we invited too much pressure onto our back four, and ten Hag should know we've not been any good defending leads, so we may as well push on and try and get another, or at least be harder to play against.
Having said that, to concede four, regardless of whether we were down to 10 men or not, is pretty ridiculous. Must do better!
Obviously, he can't help the stupidity of some of our players, but a midfield of Mount, Amrabat and Hannibal would have given us legs, which would have potentially pushed them back.
To me, we invited too much pressure onto our back four, and ten Hag should know we've not been any good defending leads, so we may as well push on and try and get another, or at least be harder to play against.
Having said that, to concede four, regardless of whether we were down to 10 men or not, is pretty ridiculous. Must do better!
Hard to draw too much from that game in isolation. They were really shit, like I've seen teams in the Championship look more assured on the ball. They were properly bad tonight and we had control just rolling around at the back etc. On the other hand, 2 goal lead against a really poor team on the night, go down to 10 men... should you concede 4 goals? Should we lose, especially when we go ahead again? In the 441 shape we should have been defensively sound.
Also, bringing Mount on as a false 9 when you need 3 points? That was a bad decision to me. As was defending incredibly deep at times in the second half. That 4th goal our players were all over each other in the 6 years box and their player peeled into the space and was completely free.
But at the end of the day, bottom of the group which features two vastly inferior teams, as very poor after 4 games. That's really shocking, and on another day we could have drawn against these at home if they converted the pen. We're playing fine margins against even the worst teams.
We can talk about VAR but we got a gift with the pen and their two big decisions weren't robberies. Both gave the ref a big decision to make.
Also, bringing Mount on as a false 9 when you need 3 points? That was a bad decision to me. As was defending incredibly deep at times in the second half. That 4th goal our players were all over each other in the 6 years box and their player peeled into the space and was completely free.
But at the end of the day, bottom of the group which features two vastly inferior teams, as very poor after 4 games. That's really shocking, and on another day we could have drawn against these at home if they converted the pen. We're playing fine margins against even the worst teams.
We can talk about VAR but we got a gift with the pen and their two big decisions weren't robberies. Both gave the ref a big decision to make.
Not blaming him for the result per se, but it is worrying how easy we are being beaten. The lack of draws is also worrying, shows that we tend to collapse at the first hint of things looking tough.
We're talking about tonight, which was for the manager an unlucky one.
The season as a whole is a different thing.
Antony and Mount. 160m on the bench.
His inability to change things, tactical inflexibility/naivity and his stupid substitutions are the worst things about him.
It'll cost him his job.
It'll cost him his job.
Whether you think he can turn this around or not, the fact that he bought Anthony and Mount for nearly 140 million should be a sackable offence.
We literally finished bottom of group under SAF consisting of Benfica, Villareal and Lille. The other time we finished 3rd in group consisting of Basel, Benfica and Otelul Galati ffs.
His record in the big away games, and I class this as one as its in the biggest club competition in football, is fecking shite.
You could appoint a young Fergie to this shit show and nothing would change. Until the heirarchy of the club, from ownership to all the board and senior leadership, is completely replaced, it does not matter who coaches the team
I'm still trying to work out why we ended with Mason Mount as a false 9.
Not really, he's still nursing a back injury.
Why would being out of Europe mean he should keep his job? It's not like any new manager would win us the Champions League anyways.
Ridicilous.
People can say tonight wasn't on him. We shouldn't have lost on balance but there's no resilience in this team and that has been a theme under his management. We've haemorrhaged goals in the majority of games this season. That's on him.
Let's stick to the facts. It's 140m. Still shit though
Shades of Nani's red card v Real there. Mourinho instantly made tactical changes.
So if he is sacked will this be like 2 years ago appoint another temporary manager until the end of the season. Sick and tired of it its rinse and repeat time and time again. So not to far off to when ole was sacked.
We should hire a 16 year old apprentice. We could have a manager for 50+ years! That'll keep our fans happy
With competent refs we'd be second clown.
Might as well keep him so we could have a proper replacement strategy, as others have said do you really trust the Glazers to make the appointment this time around?
I don’t think anyone is suggesting we’d be miles better with a few players back, but you’d be mad to think we couldn’t have a few extra wins with them in the team. And that would make a big difference to the narrative and pressure.
Just look at today’s game, you’ve got clear examples of how simply having a full back on the left would help. That first goal wouldn’t be scored with Lindelof at left back, like we had for a big run of games, I doubt the third is scored with Luke Shaw at left back.
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This can be up there with the most idiotic of comments ,well done.
I don't think any other manager at a top 6 team has to deal with the amount of individual errors as the players we have make.
Even fecking Copenhagen don't make as many mistakes as our defenders and midfield make.
The entire backline is just a mistake waiting to happen.
Even fecking Copenhagen don't make as many mistakes as our defenders and midfield make.
The entire backline is just a mistake waiting to happen.
People aren't blaming him for this loss. This was a disgraceful decision. What was he thinking?
Any other records left to break?
Sure, next thing you'll give us a rendition of YAWN to go with that delusion.
He’s very much in the realm of having no complaints if sacked.
On one hand his luck tonight is completely fecked. Evans got injured and he had to bring Varane who seemed to justify the reason why he’s benched and being down to 10 men most of the game, and we’re missing lots of defenders.
And on the other hand, we seem to completely capitulate when we concede and it’s not the first time. I just knew as soon as we went down to 10, we were in for a disaster just like Sevilla last season. It falls apart so easily and so fast.
He maddens me yet I feel for him. It’s really weird.
On one hand his luck tonight is completely fecked. Evans got injured and he had to bring Varane who seemed to justify the reason why he’s benched and being down to 10 men most of the game, and we’re missing lots of defenders.
And on the other hand, we seem to completely capitulate when we concede and it’s not the first time. I just knew as soon as we went down to 10, we were in for a disaster just like Sevilla last season. It falls apart so easily and so fast.
He maddens me yet I feel for him. It’s really weird.
A collection of stupid players and a manager completely unable to positively influence and control a game is a deadly combination. Shocking game management once again.
Makes as much sense as your post, really.
Trying to extrapolate results from the rare patch of good play in a dreadful season is the stuff of scouser delusion.
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