Yep! And for reference, this is Luke Shaw when he gives a shit.
Luke Shaw gave a shit for about a 5 month period and got in shape. He hasn't been in shape since that period around 4 years ago.
Shaw needs to be sold and we sign a new left back.
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Luke Shaw gave a shit for about a 5 month period and got in shape. He hasn't been in shape since that period around 4 years ago.
Shaw needs to be sold and we sign a new left back.
Luke Shaws body fat % is nowhere near where a professional footballers should be.
He should be forced to eat like Ronaldo during the entire summer break.
I don't really know if I believe the bolded. Even though we can't be certain we can piece together what his views about strikers were. He didn't exactly have a modern view of the position. Ole always always talked about wanting strikers to be greedy and have a one track mind for goal. Every other postmatch had him repeat some version of this;
Quote could mean anything in isolation but placed within the context of the billion times he encouraged being selfish or ruthless in front of goal it's hard to deduce Ronaldo wasn't his kind of striker. His pursuit of Ronaldo wasn't something that was totally out of character. Ronaldo was everything he thought he wanted in a striker. He shot himself because he couldn't fathom how more firepower wasn't an instant linear improvement.
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What is the modern view of the striker position?!
Shaw hit peak fitness under Van Gaal, a strict disciplinarian who was obsessive about what his players ate. Not a coincidence I think. Hopefully Ten Hag holds similar views about the importance of nutrition and whips Shaw into shape.
What he described. In possession, scoring while also being an overarching linkup figure in the frontline. Out of possession, being the first line of defense with pressing. Modern central striker does some of the work of the number 10s of old. Overall greater involvement in every phase of play than what was expected from their predecessors. Ronaldo can actually play this way but I think his goal ambitions always see him go back to a more specialist role in the next game.
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True.
Clearly, you have not heard of Neville Southall.
There have been rumours about him always getting takeaways, which sadly are probably true. Like you said, there's absolutely no reason for him to be as big as he often is. I can't see how that happens unless he's an overeater
Now there is an allegation that has never been thrown at Ronaldo
Especially a fecking fullback you'd be expecting to nonstop run up and down the flank
I liked Neville Southall.... but had he been in shape he'd have been able to be even better, had he been in the shape he SHOULD have been.
are you Vince McMahon? Because he’s genuinely the only other person on planet earth as obsessed with other peoples bodies as you’re coming across
I don’t even think it is this time, even his biggest supporters are usually fully aware that the Ronaldo only cares about Ronaldo.
Absolutely. Great for nostalgia but bad for actual team play. Playing with 10 1/2 players.
They didn't do stats like they do now but I would be curious to see how much his girth helped out. Blocking shots off the belly or arse.
Yep! And for reference, this is Luke Shaw when he gives a shit.
We've been discussing Shaw's weight for a decade now. Sell the fella and buy a new LB for fecks sake he's never going to be good enough.
Sell on his wage?
I think you have underestimated Conte abit. He won PL and Serie A not long ago, he drive clueless Spur into top 4 finish. I’ve also heard he will have 150m to spend in summer (more than us).
Yep! And for reference, this is Luke Shaw when he gives a shit.
For further reference, that is Shaw with his leg broken and nowhere near fit to play football. The below is Shaw on his way to the Euros finals having been in the PL team of the season and winning player of the season for the 2nd place team. Yea, I’ll take the best LB in the world form over him having his leg broken thanks.
Not that I want to jump on this bandwagon, but it's clear he's not putting in the absolute maximum effort to be in the best shape he can be. There is no magical human that is at 100% peak fitness and still carrying that sort of body fat, there is a reason why 99% of footballers are easily sub 10% body fat.For further reference, that is Shaw with his leg broken and nowhere near fit to play football. The below is Shaw on his way to the Euros finals having been in the PL team of the season and winning player of the season for the 2nd place team. Yea, I’ll take the best LB in the world form over him having his leg broken thanks.
He doesn't have an sort of special body fat and no one is easily sub 10% body fat, it takes a lot of work for little gain outside of aesthetic. That's where people need to stop talking about fitness and training.
Shaw isn't fat at all.
He's obviously not got a natural lean body similar to Rooney, but no chance will having more definition make him a better footballer there is no actual extra fat around his stomach/hips that might slow him down.
He looked like that while being dubbed 'Shawberto Carlos', form comes and goes. If he was struggling with his leg in pain then it's no wonder his form dipped a bit.
He's obviously not got a natural lean body similar to Rooney, but no chance will having more definition make him a better footballer
there is no actual extra fat around his stomach/hips that might slow him down.He looked like that while being dubbed 'Shawberto Carlos', form comes and goes. If he was struggling with his leg in pain then it's no wonder his form dipped a bit.
You've misunderstood my use of the word easily. It is pretty difficult for a top tier professional athlete to have the body he has, if their diet and training are min/maxed, it's a simple fact. Have every footballer from a top 6 team in the PL take their shirt off, and see how many of them are carrying as much weight as Shaw.
I don't want Shaw gone because he has a Dad bod.
I want him gone because he's a half arsed Southampton twat who gets "injured" every time the club are playing shit.
I want him gone because he's a half arsed Southampton twat who gets "injured" every time the club are playing shit.
Believe me or not but the picture of Shaw that you see, is someone that is between 12% and 16% of body fat which is normal including for athletes. The vast majority of footballers will be in that range, some will be lower between 9 and 12 and almost no one under 9%.
And no it's not difficult for a top tier professional athlete to have the body he has, he has a normal body for anyone that trains without running a calorie deficit. Now the issue that people have to keep in mind is PEDs, beyond teenage staying around 10% body fat while training daily and competing at least once a week is extremely tiring, a good night of sleep isn't enough, you are not maintaining it for months without "help".
Sorry, thought I clicked on the Ten Hag thread, not the Luke Shaw body fat percentage/diet thread.......
He quite clearly carries extra fat around his stomach/hips. That's why hid stomach looks like that and you barely see his abdomimal muscles which I'm sure he has.Shaw isn't fat at all.
He's obviously not got a natural lean body similar to Rooney, but no chance will having more definition make him a better footballer
He looked like that while being dubbed 'Shawberto Carlos', form comes and goes. If he was struggling with his leg in pain then it's no wonder his form dipped a bit.
No it didn’t. Rooney didn’t decline because of his body fat percentage, he decline because he’d been running his arse off at the top level since he was 16.
Kindly explain how, in multiple other photos, Luke, combined with pre-season training and diet restriction has achieved a typically lean, athletic, toned physique with stripped enough bodyfat as to see definition in his medial deltoids, abdominals, lower chest, etc, and how that compares to the Luke Shaw who is less lean, athletic, toned and has enough bodyfat gain to not only obscure definition entirely, but to induce handles.
There is an obvious disparity between the two, and proves categorically that Luke can achieve a better athletic physique if he desired.
He just looks like a normal person. Why does having a 6 pack mean you'd be a better footballer? it's all for show.
If he was carrying significant weight then yeah sure he could be effected, but not in that shape. Ironically that picture is after the best form of his life.
I'm sorry, but he's probably at around 15% bf in that specific pic, that is not normal for a top tier PL footballer, it just isn't. Please show me one Liverpool, City, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc. starter, especially a full back, in that sort of shape. He clearly does not eat well, and probably doesn't train as hard as he could either. This isn't really a questionable thing, consistently throughout his Utd career he has been visibly more fatigued towards the end of games than other top level fullbacks, even when 'fully fit'. It's indicative of his attitude, I don't even see how this is questionable at this point. I severely doubt he is eating completely clean calories to hold on to that sort of fat, and having a poor diet can lead to increased levels of injury etc., it's pretty evident he could be doing more, and that doing more would positively impact his game.
This makes no sense, he's a top tier footballer being paid a fortune, in part to be in the best physical shape he can be in. Can he still be good at football carrying weight? Of course. Will being in better shape, with better fitness positively impact his on pitch performance, and reduce injuries etc., also yes.
Many people are forgetting Shaw played the Euros with a broken rib if I remember correctly, so maybe that affected his preparation for this season.
I think food is related to what affected his preparation for this season.
Context is different, some of the pictures are from Shaw as a teenager or in his early 20s. It's also easier(not easy) to lower your body fat during pre season or by the end of it because in order to build a base you focus on a lot of cardio, you can also run a deficit since there is no competition and no focus on performance, in that context you can lose maybe 1%-2% body fat in 2 months but it's not something that you are going to maintain, you are not going to work as much during the season, you are not going to fast regularly.
An other thing that is in my opinion very important defintion varies greatly with relatively small body fat percentages differences.
Yes you can be a better footballer whilst having worse shape, yes you can be a worse footballer whilst having worse shape. Sure.
The point is, Shaw is categorically out of shape for years. Paired with his form and fitness over the last years, it points to a lack of professionalism and discipline. Especially when he did have periods getting into better shape.
Unless you believe that having extra weight doesnt impact stamina, agility, explosivity and sensitivity to injuries at all.
Funnily enough, Ten Hag refused to play Ihattaren in the 1st team, mainly because of this.
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