I'm surprised he hasn't asked to have the canteen staff at United sacked and replaced by Ajax's.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I'm surprised he hasn't asked to have the canteen staff at United sacked and replaced by Ajax's.
What is the point of shoehorning Ferguson and his results into this conversation from the start?
this is exactly it for me. In a well run club who should be more powerful the manager or the director of football?
I don't know, maybe you should read the posts that were being replied to so you get an idea before blundering in?
3rd last season and 2 cup finals means that he has credit in the bank at the moment, but some of his signings are underwhelming to say the least, having said that, this is not the real Manchester United is it....
I know you aren't the original poster. You decided to jump in and support his view though, which is shoehorning Ferguson and his results into this to defend Ten Hag and his disastrous results.
Anyone saying sack at this stage has lost their mind and have extremely short memories. There was a long period last season when we were the form team in the league. The team lacks confidence currently (especially in defence) but there's been some promise in most of our performances this season. Give it time and we'll come good.
You can have a separate conversation about whether Ten Hag's power should be checked in certain areas (eg transfers) but so far the positives from his tenure still massively outweigh the negatives.
You can have a separate conversation about whether Ten Hag's power should be checked in certain areas (eg transfers) but so far the positives from his tenure still massively outweigh the negatives.
I thought he'd value more possession here.
We seem to bypass keeping it too often.
We seem to bypass keeping it too often.
Because we are not that good at keeping it. And our best players are ones who thrive on transitional play
That's the manager's fault on both accounts.
A year down the road, we should be much better at keeping the ball.
And he should have targeted players who aid in that.
United is a sacking club now, what the heck are you talking about? Did that approach work?
Take in mind, the next manager would have to deal with:
- Antony's side show
- Sancho
- Maguire
- Greenwood
- Rashford + Bruno who are core of this team yet can't pass the ball properly.
- Glaziers dragging the sales to no end
- Inept football director
- Fletcher. What is even his role?
- Perma crooked Varane, Martial
- FFP
Tell me, how any of these are manager's job to solve? And I'm not convinced the next "hipster manager of the month" would be fixing this mess either.
Until club can find solutions to said problems, there no fecking point changing manager & going through the same cycle again every year.
Mainly because people like to misrepresent the past to support their own fairly shallow opinions, and I find it irritating. If people want to make their entire personality hating ten Hag, that's fine, but at least stick to the facts if it's that cut and dried.
Since Old Trafford needs an upgrade anyway…airlift their stadium.
This is my biggest disappointment with him, by far. It all started so promisingly when we went after de Jong, then turned awry when we kept on going after de Jong.
"De Zerbi In" redditors can feck off.
He's systemic manager whom benefit from Brighton's structure & would instantly crumble at United.
He's systemic manager whom benefit from Brighton's structure & would instantly crumble at United.
All clubs are "sacking clubs"
Pretty sure he did target players who keep the ball better. One of them Antony is not liked because he does so by the way. He also bought in a keeper that helps and Martinez a CB who helps. He wanted De Jong in midfield and to me thats been the major issue the midfielders we have signed have been miles away from that profile bar Amrabat
Also even though we do not keep the ball well enough. We most definitely keep it better as demonstrated against Arsenal.
The whole idea is that a dof can leverage the clubs global scouting network so you aren't reliant on players the manager knows. And they are also supposed to ensure signings represent good value and aren't so specific to the managers requirements that you need a whole new squad if the manager changes.
Clearly clubs with dof's have also made bad signings but none have made them as consistently
He didn't when they beat us 5-1 in 1989, the rest he obviously did, but the statement was that a big club would sack the manager after such a big defeat, which is nonsense. I was simply pointing out it wasn't true, with examples.
He's been to a later stage of the champions league than we have in years with a team worth a fraction of ours while playing better football than we have in a decade. Would you argue Ancelloti was a bad manager because he failed at Everton? Some of these posts are ridiculous.United fans scared Ten Hag might walk?
Who the feck is Ten Hag in the grand scheme of things? The guy that can't win away from home and gets battered by his rivals several times a season. Make no mistake, he's just as shit as United right now.
Maybe but it is damning for eth that we have never had any style of play under him when you look at how quickly ange has put one in place at spurs
Guess i'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. You don't want a manager who needs 3-4 seasons to compete. Therefore I have to assume, that you suggest we need a manager capable of miracles. A manager on the level of or even better than Pep and Klopp.
He wasn't a legendary manager in 1989, but even so that's irrelevant, I'm simply pointing out that trying to use a single heavy defeat as a reason to fire someone is reactionary and frankly stupid, nobody who reached the upper levels of club management would be so reactionary. The statement was "big clubs would sack the manager after a heavy defeat". That statement was clearly false.
Using Ferguson from the start to defend the current manager and his results or as a reason to give him more time "because Ferguson was terrible at the start then turned out to be the best manager in history" is an absolute nonsense and I don't have to explain why.
The original poster said that 7-0 was a sackable offense at any big club which is true but of course the response has to be that Ferguson lost 6 or 5 before. It's just a nonsensical and tired argument.
As long as United fans keep using Ferguson as a metric and thinking a manager will turn into a legend after 3-4 years of being shit given enough time and money because it happened once in life time we will never move forward.
Ferguson could lose 6s and 5s much as he wanted it's not going to change that these results can get managers sacked nowadays. Time changed. Football changed. Expectations changed.
We need to break this cycle of:
New manager - signings - decent season- missed targets - poor season - sacking
It happened with Mourinho and Ole.
Back Ten Hag to get it right and it will come good.
Loads of negative energy around the club because of 1) the ridiculous club sale process 2) the way the club dealt with Greenwood
New manager - signings - decent season- missed targets - poor season - sacking
It happened with Mourinho and Ole.
Back Ten Hag to get it right and it will come good.
Loads of negative energy around the club because of 1) the ridiculous club sale process 2) the way the club dealt with Greenwood
Asking for the team to have an identity and play style in the manager's 2nd season after 400m spent is considered a miracle now?
Before the season kicked off he had to deal with restricted budget and the club not going for a top striker when that is what he wanted.
Not to mention the striker they did sign was not fit to start the season. To top that off you then have Greenwood, Antony and Sancho situations.
We have started poorly I am interested to see how he deals with this. I hope he lasts because I think he is a good manager, but he is making mistakes, hopefully he learns from them quickly, all managers make them
Not to mention the striker they did sign was not fit to start the season. To top that off you then have Greenwood, Antony and Sancho situations.
We have started poorly I am interested to see how he deals with this. I hope he lasts because I think he is a good manager, but he is making mistakes, hopefully he learns from them quickly, all managers make them
Is it just the 7 bit that makes it sackable? Is 5-0 okay? Just asking for reference.
I think the start of this season has been compromised by injuries so its a bit early to determine we have no play style.
Do you have any evidence with which to back that opinion? So far you've offered none, and you're getting in to flat-earther levels of faith in the face of evidence.
De Zerbi wouldn't have lasted last season, and he isn't a miracle worker capable of turning a defensive low block team terrified of possession into a progressive attacking one that retains possession.
Last I checked 7 is bigger than 5.
It's the same tired argument again and again, from the same poster.
We clearly have an identity and a play style, we're just not good enough at it to make it look slick and keep it up for 90 minutes.
Results stay like this and he won't last long.
Only possible positive is there is about a 5% chance it starts to convince the Glazers that maybe selling is best.
Without making CL consistently the club value won't rise as much as they hope over the next few years. Especially if we can't even make CL with it being top 5 potentially.
Only possible positive is there is about a 5% chance it starts to convince the Glazers that maybe selling is best.
Without making CL consistently the club value won't rise as much as they hope over the next few years. Especially if we can't even make CL with it being top 5 potentially.
Considering the circumstances, yes. If it was only about the money, Chelsea should've been top of the table by now. Your expectations are far too high buddy.
De Zerbi is a great coach but United job and dressing room are way too big for him to handle.
Right, I just wanted to know if it's only conceding 7 that makes it automatically sackable, or if 5 is bad enough? I mean, 4-0 is considered a thrashing, right?
More like your expectations for the manager are non existent.
4-0 is a thrashing but it happens. How many times have you seen a team losing by 7 goals to their main rivals in your life?
Amrabat is meant to replace McTominay. Wanted 2 strikers got only 1. Wanted Kim and got Evans. Wanted FDJ, wanted Antony early and overspent in the end and now can’t do much cos of FFP well who’s fault is that?
Ole was a better tactician than people give him credit for, we had a great record against the bigger teams under him, but teams that could sit back could completely nullify us. He was also heavily reliant on a few players, and ran them into the ground.
Ironically his football would be even more effective with Wenger's new offside rule.
However he wasn't ever going to be the man to transition us to a proactivefront-foot style of football. We have someone who seems capable of that now, and I agree we should give him a fair amount of time to try to see it through (which is multiple years).
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