Keep. Been dealt an extremely crappy hand this season and it's still early.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Keep. He's a top manager in a shitshow of a club. He's effectively had the season sabotaged by Arnold's awful handling of Greenwood.
At this point I don't think it even matters one iota
Keep ... for now. First time I'm questioning his decisions today. Think he's had bad luck before and understandable things holding us back. Today wasn't that. Today he got out coached. He shouldn't be visibly out coached at Old Trafford to anyone, ever. Let alone Brighton. So he needs to improve, and fast. Don't give a feck about beating the bottom half, he needs to prove his worth against good sides. We have a kind run after Bayern until end of October vs City, but he needs a huge response asap otherwise he'll find himself sacked pretty quickly.
How he manages to respond to this adversity will determine that. It's too early in the season to determine that.
What's most bitterly disappointing is how disorganised and off the pace we look. What was happening during pre-season? It's like there's a sickness deep in the club.
What's most bitterly disappointing is how disorganised and off the pace we look. What was happening during pre-season? It's like there's a sickness deep in the club.
Horrible manager in game, doesnt look like he knows what he's doing with squad planning as well.
People moan about our players not being accountable and coasting through the season. Well, who is keeping ETH accountable as well? Murthough seems to be his subordinate if anything, and don't say the possibility of sacking him keeps him accountable as the rules of football don't apply to the real world, we sack him and he walks away with millions. I personally don't think he is being held accountable enough both for our general play and results.
People moan about our players not being accountable and coasting through the season. Well, who is keeping ETH accountable as well? Murthough seems to be his subordinate if anything, and don't say the possibility of sacking him keeps him accountable as the rules of football don't apply to the real world, we sack him and he walks away with millions. I personally don't think he is being held accountable enough both for our general play and results.
Obviously keep. It’s going to be good. Might not be good before the Glazers feck off though.
Yeah, let him hand pick more players like Mason Mount and Jonny Evans … what a talent scout.
We look so confused on the pitch. Surely some of this is on him? I also think he has been unlucky with injuries and some decisions going against the team.
I would give him 3 seasons.
I would give him 3 seasons.
He’s been dealt a shit hand and has enough credit to still have hope. I struggle to think of a single match that he has positively effecting change in though. If we’re playing bad we just continue to play badly. Shifting Bruno here, there and everywhere doesn’t work. He was playing centre back at the end.
A lot of his signings have been shit, Onana looks another turkey.
We’re so easy to play against. Teams don’t have to work hard to get behind our midfield or defence and it’s not even like we’re that attacking to expect to be picked off so easily. Hojlund and Amrabat will have to be very good.
A lot of his signings have been shit, Onana looks another turkey.
We’re so easy to play against. Teams don’t have to work hard to get behind our midfield or defence and it’s not even like we’re that attacking to expect to be picked off so easily. Hojlund and Amrabat will have to be very good.
I’ve backed him the whole way but today I’m having doubts. Some baffling decisions across the board and if anything we’re getting worse. He got almost everything right last season so I don’t know what happened.
We could bring in Pep and he would fail here. The club is rotten from top to bottom. We couldn't even get the right coat of red for a paint job on our stadium.
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Not arsed. Whilst I believe he's overhyped and made next to no difference, our club is going nowhere whilst the Glazer scum and useless pricks like Arnold and Co remain in place
First game here that's he's been able to start a half decent striker today. 14 months he's been managing games here.
I'd back him until the club is sold. Probably stop letting him spend though.
Ahhh I gotcha! Aye, things looking even bleaker for Carrick than us.
No idea wtf has gone wrong with us. ETH had a relatively good first season, but things have imploded this season. The Bayern game won't be pretty.
Keep him till Anfield. Our fanbase deserves that.
Can’t see any other manager wanting to take charge of this lot to be honest
I saw decent effort, just better ball movement by Brighton. I don’t understand why we can’t just fecking buy their DoF and scout team?
Is this a serious post
Maybe international week isn't the time to switch formations
What kind of football did Ajax play while he was in charge? Worries me the football is just as bad as it under Jose and Ole. It was clear Brighton knew they weren't losing that game today
Put together a proper structure first. DOF, Chief Scout, etc. Qualified specialists with authority over their respective domains. Leave coaching (and nothing else) to the manager.
Then we can make a call on keeping or replacing ETH.
Then we can make a call on keeping or replacing ETH.
But what you’re saying is bring in a new manager and give him the tools to be successful.. after bringing in a new manager and not giving him the tools to be successful. Why not bring in what ETH needs around him for us to compete? He’s a one man band realistically and it’s a unfair expectation at a club of this magnitude
feck this thread. Obviously at this point it should be obvious the rot goes deeper at this club. Until we get a complete change at the top nothing will matter.
Today was a huge turning point for me, I accepted the defeats to Spurs and Arsenal because they are games you can lose and say its a tough place to go.
Brighton at home doesn't get the same respect, good side but beatable. We made them look like they were playing a practice match today.
I just don't see what the game plan is, there seems to be no pattern in play, it's get the ball to Fernandes and hope for the best all the time. Rashford seems to have been instructed to shoot on sight constantly as well.
Brighton at home doesn't get the same respect, good side but beatable. We made them look like they were playing a practice match today.
I just don't see what the game plan is, there seems to be no pattern in play, it's get the ball to Fernandes and hope for the best all the time. Rashford seems to have been instructed to shoot on sight constantly as well.
Give him a bit longer to see if he can turn it around, because with our structure we aren't going anywhere fast anyway.
Tactics are under the control of the manager. Focusing only on tactics and ignoring everything else that has been wrong for the last ten years is under your control though.
Yeah there's been no other factors that might contribute to the shit show of a club he's joined...
Who going to replace him?
If you're going to say DeZebri then shat up.
If you're going to say DeZebri then shat up.
Not yet. There are no viable options out there right now. Also, Let's see how he responds to adversity. Last year he rang the changes with Maguire, Shaw and AWB. He needs to do the same again with Bruno and Casemiro and make them fight for their places. If he doesn't do it then he's a dead man walking.
Keep him, but it's not looking great. We're in for a tough season.
The issues are overindulgence to back the manager beyond the responsibility of the director of football curating the teams direction.
United after ten years still have that strategic hierarchial issue and until there's a DOF with some bottle, vision and steel these problems are reminiscently progressive from manager to manager whoever the individuals are. So changing the manager doesn't change anything to some degree.
What I've been most disappointed in with ETH is he was favoured because of how impressionable Ajax was. But he's chosen to change that identity and now fans don't know what to expect. It would be like De Zirbi playing this expansive football with Brighton and then going to another team and soaking up pressure and counter attacking. It's hard to know what to expect the team has no identity in truth.
United after ten years still have that strategic hierarchial issue and until there's a DOF with some bottle, vision and steel these problems are reminiscently progressive from manager to manager whoever the individuals are. So changing the manager doesn't change anything to some degree.
What I've been most disappointed in with ETH is he was favoured because of how impressionable Ajax was. But he's chosen to change that identity and now fans don't know what to expect. It would be like De Zirbi playing this expansive football with Brighton and then going to another team and soaking up pressure and counter attacking. It's hard to know what to expect the team has no identity in truth.
First time I've started to question whether we're on to another false Dawn.
Though part of me thinks it doesn't matter who manages us with the Glazers around
Though part of me thinks it doesn't matter who manages us with the Glazers around
That's not an excuse for today. There has been a ton of issues, yeah. He should be able to motivate the side, get a siege mentality, implement a functional system. Today was a system that gave Brighton the advantage. And he didn't adapt. It worked for 15 minutes, they adjusted and started picking holes all over the place, and if he couldn't see what was so painfully obvious for many of us to see, then that is HUGELY concerning.
We don’t even do the basics right, that is on the manager and his staff. If we don’t have our best players, make adjustments. Instead we see the same sloppy crap week after week.
Sack him and bring in de Zerbi
Indeed. Bringing in De Zerbi (A manager I do actually like) will do feck all. The club isn't structured well enough.
It doesn't excuse all of ETH's shortcomings but nothing will drastically change by getting rid of him
And then sack him after 6 months to bring de zebri. Then sack de zebri in another year and bring the next shiny toy. While glazers keep on laughing
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