Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

Do you want United to sign Eric Dier?

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For £50 million we can surely do better than Dier? He's a decent player but even in today's market too limited of a player to command that fee. Looks solid in Spurs system but looks crap every time I've seen him for England, still remember his awful performance vs France a couple of weeks ago.
 
If Dier is off, and Matic is off, does that mean Weigl is the next choice? That would be amazing.

Also, no thread for Weigl?
 
Kush said:
For £50 million we can surely do better than Dier? He's a decent player but even in today's market too limited of a player to command that fee. Looks solid in Spurs system but looks crap every time I've seen him for England, still remember his awful performance vs France a couple of weeks ago.
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Dier 50m
Pickford 30m
Keane 25m
Lukaku possibly world record fee

We must be viewed as a better version of China around the continent, laughable fees....just think those four players could cost nearly £200m you could sign virtually any two players in the world for those fees?
 
Imagine Dier in midfield up against the midfielder of Madrid, Barcdecline, Bayern etc.

50 million is a joke. We must aspire for better.
 
I honestly think the press have been given a "list" of names that we aren't actually after to throw off their scent.

Look at lukaku, was he ever mentioned as a target in any article? It was always either morata or belotti or griezmann.

All of a sudden we've agreed a deal for lukaku with no hint from anybody.

I feel the same count be happening with the midfield. Lots of links to dier and Matic, I hope that means we really are in for Fabinho but perhaps it's somebody completely unrelated.

Now that the strikers wrapped up I expect us to get a few others completed in the near future.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Lol ... Dier, mainly in the back 3, was part of the best defence in the Prem last season - and mainly as DM part of the joint best defence the season before that.

Moreover he's young, an England regular now and sitting on a long contract. Pochettino values him highly and Levy would laugh in your face at your valuation.

So go ahead and bid mega-bucks for whatever 'inho' player from abroad takes your fancy. Meanwhile Spurs will sit content with perhaps the league's most versatile player (yes, he's also done well at RB when called upon to play there).
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I agree maybe Dier's a bit too underrated on here. As I recall he was considered quite a phenom coming out of Sporting, and rumours abound that United were tracking him then, and may have been involved in bidding. It's also very possible a certain Portuguese manager has had an eye on his career, as well, over time.

There are some things to consider:
1) He's a childhood United fan
2) Apparently his childhood hero was Roy Keane
3) According to media he's not being played in his preferred position at Spurs
4) He could presumably get a large pay raise
5) His name keeps cropping up in the media connected to United

Spurs certainly don't need to sell, and they don't have to. However, all of the above could potentially foment into an unhappy player who wants out. Unlike Kane, for whom none of the above is applicable, there is a potential with Dier that things could boil over into a showdown between an agent, an unhappy player, Pochettino having to manage that, and Levy having to hold firm with a player demanding out.

I'm not saying for a second that anything of the sort is actually happening, or will happen.

I'm not certainly not saying he's the right player for United, but I rate him more than others, and am certainly not going to judge him based on one poor appearance for an England team that is far from settled.

What I am saying though, is there are potentially factors there that could lead to a conflict between Dier and Spurs.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I honestly think the press have been given a "list" of names that we aren't actually after to throw off their scent.

Look at lukaku, was he ever mentioned as a target in any article? It was always either morata or belotti or griezmann.

All of a sudden we've agreed a deal for lukaku with no hint from anybody.

I feel the same count be happening with the midfield. Lots of links to dier and Matic, I hope that means we really are in for Fabinho but perhaps it's somebody completely unrelated.

Now that the strikers wrapped up I expect us to get a few others completed in the near future.
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Good point.

It's actually really surprising we've been working on Lukaku for so long (a huge, expensive, domestic deal) and barely and journalists picked up on it in that whole time.

So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Dier is just a pawn to occupy them while we work on signing Veratti.
 
Smoke screen. As already said, I fully expect another complete curve ball signing. Honestly doing think it will be any of the names mentioned
 
0161_UNITED said:
I agree maybe Dier's a bit too underrated on here. As I recall he was considered quite a phenom coming out of Sporting, and rumours abound that United were tracking him then, and may have been involved in bidding. It's also very possible a certain Portuguese manager has had an eye on his career, as well, over time.

There are some things to consider:
1) He's a childhood United fan
2) Apparently his childhood hero was Roy Keane
3) According to media he's not being played in his preferred position at Spurs
4) He could presumably get a large pay raise
5) His name keeps cropping up in the media connected to United

Spurs certainly don't need to sell, and they don't have to. However, all of the above could potentially foment into an unhappy player who wants out. Unlike Kane, for whom none of the above is applicable, there is a potential with Dier that things could boil over into a showdown between an agent, an unhappy player, Pochettino having to manage that, and Levy having to hold firm with a player demanding out.

I'm not saying for a second that anything of the sort is actually happening, or will happen.

I'm not certainly not saying he's the right player for United, but I rate him more than others, and am certainly not going to judge him based on one poor appearance for an England team that is far from settled.

What I am saying though, is there are potentially factors there that could lead to a conflict between Dier and Spurs.
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1) He's a childhood United fan - OK, but he's not a child anymore.
2) Apparently his childhood hero was Roy Keane - as above.
3) According to media he's not being played in his preferred position at Spurs - this is probably true
4) He could presumably get a large pay raise - again probably true
5) His name keeps cropping up in the media connected to United - true, but then we all know this doesn't necessarily mean much, if anything.

The other factor to consider is that, even if Dier would prefer to play in DM, he is still a regular starter for Spurs and - by all accounts - is well-bonded within the Spurs squad on the level of personal relationships ... so I don't see him agitating for a move to United even if you bid for him and offer higher wages. In addition, he might well consider that a bird in the hand (a regular starting slot at Spurs) is worth two in the bush (the "promise" - if any - of a starting slot at United).
 
GlastonSpur said:
1) He's a childhood United fan - OK, but he's not a child anymore.
2) Apparently his childhood hero was Roy Keane - as above.
3) According to media he's not being played in his preferred position at Spurs - this is probably true
4) He could presumably get a large pay raise - again probably true
5) His name keeps cropping up in the media connected to United - true, but then we all know this doesn't necessarily mean much, if anything.

The other factor to consider is that, even if Dier would prefer to play in DM, he is still a regular starter for Spurs and - by all accounts - is well-bonded within the Spurs squad on the level of personal relationships ... so I don't see him agitating for a move to United even if you bid for him and offer higher wages. In addition, he might well consider that a bird in the hand (a regular starting slot at Spurs) is worth two in the bush (the "promise" - if any - of a starting slot at United).
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We'll just have to see how serious United's interest is then, and how much Dier's head gets turned if smoke turns into fire. But I think you might admit, deep down, this isn't like the situation with Kane. There are factors at play here that if United do go in heavy, he could be tempted, and things will get very tricky for Levy and Pocc.
 
0161_UNITED said:
We'll just have to see how serious United's interest is then, and how much Dier's head gets turned if smoke turns into fire. But I think you might admit, deep down, this isn't like the situation with Kane. There are factors at play here that if United do go in heavy, he could be tempted, and things will get very tricky for Levy and Pocc.
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I think Levy's main concern is to keep Pochettino happy. So if the latter won't sanction Dier's departure - and I don't see that he will - then Levy won't, regardless of what Dier may or may not want.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I think Levy's main concern is to keep Pochettino happy. So if the latter won't sanction Dier's departure - and I don't see that he will - then Levy won't, regardless of what Dier may or may not want.
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We could, stress on could, find out how much Pochettino wants to keep an unhappy player, mate. That's my point.
 
0161_UNITED said:
We could, stress on could, find out how much Pochettino wants to keep an unhappy player, mate. That's my point.
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OK. But Pochettino would know better than anyone at United if Dier was unhappy enough to kick up a fuss about moving ... and if he were that unhappy then I doubt Spurs would have put out the recently orchestrated word to the media that Dier is not for sale.

My guess is that Dier is fairly content to stay with Pochettino and the Spurs project.
 
jesperjaap said:
Dier 50m
Pickford 30m
Keane 25m
Lukaku possibly world record fee

We must be viewed as a better version of China around the continent, laughable fees....just think those four players could cost nearly £200m you could sign virtually any two players in the world for those fees?
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GlastonSpur said:
OK. But Pochettino would know better than anyone at United if Dier was unhappy enough to kick up a fuss about moving ... and if he were that unhappy then I doubt Spurs would have put out the recently orchestrated word to the media that Dier is not for sale.

My guess is that Dier is fairly content to stay with Pochettino and the Spurs project.
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I think Dier is not so important for you to dig in on this and by briefing the media on his unavailability you are testing:
- the player's resolve and
- the size of the fee you can extract from us.
The fact that your club felt it had to.use the media in this shows there is indeed some smoke to this transfer. If you could, and you certainly can, get £50m for him I think it would make sense from your side to cash in and sign a player with a similar skill set for half the fee then take a punt on another young forward.
 
GlastonSpur said:
OK. But Pochettino would know better than anyone at United if Dier was unhappy enough to kick up a fuss about moving ... and if he were that unhappy then I doubt Spurs would have put out the recently orchestrated word to the media that Dier is not for sale.

My guess is that Dier is fairly content to stay with Pochettino and the Spurs project.
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Now I think that's where you might have tripped up, mate. Dier himself, and his agent, will know far more about how unhappy he might be at Spurs, and how much he might want to move to United. More than Pochettino, more than Levy, more than United, and they'll have a direct pipeline to United to keep them informed. Don't go on about tapping up, its football, United will know exactly what the player wants - if United is truly interested, and if the player is.
 
itso 7 said:
I think Dier is not so important for you to dig in on this and by briefing the media on his unavailability you are testing:
- the player's resolve and
- the size of the fee you can extract from us.
The fact that your club felt it had to.use the media in this shows there is indeed some smoke to this transfer. If you could, and you certainly can, get £50m for him I think it would make sense from your side to cash in and sign a player with a similar skill set for half the fee then take a punt on another young forward.
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If a player with a similar skill set was available for half the fee, then why aren't United after that player instead? To answer my own question: it's probably because such a player doesn't exist, particularly when skill-set includes versatility of playing position.

You say that Dier is not so important for us to dig in, but don't you regard the recent "not for sale" press briefing as precisely that (i.e. digging in)?

Pochettino has said that Spurs don't need money and won't sell any player they don't wish to sell. I don't believe that we wish to sell Dier ... and so very likely won't.
 
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In my opinion, Dier would prove to be a good purchase for us...but not for 50 million...for half of that, or 35 at max, it would be good business. However, we know Daniel Levy...
 
i like Dier, i think hes a player SAF would be trying to sign, though 50m is stupid amounts, however City paid that for Stones and Dier is a better player..
 
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Rojofiam said:
In my opinion, Dier would prove to be a good purchase for us...but not for 50 million...for half of that, or 35 at max, it would be good business. However, we know Daniel Levy...
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I don't understand this thinking.

If he's good enough to match our ambitions of being the best team in England/Europe, then £100 million is worth it. If he's not, then he's not even worth a fiver.
 
GlastonSpur said:
If a player with a similar skill set was available for half the fee, then why aren't United after that player instead?
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Because clubs lower down on the totem pole are able to take bigger risks with "unproven" talent.

That's fundamental to the way the whole transfer market works.
 
pghcc said:
Because clubs lower down on the totem pole are able to take bigger risks with "unproven" talent.

That's fundamental to the way the whole transfer market works.
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In other words there is no one with a proven similar skill-set to Dier available for half the price , so the suggestion that Spurs would benefit from selling Dier is a non-starter.

PS. According to last season's the league table, United were effectively 18 notches (points) further down the totem pole than Spurs ... so perhaps it's United who should be taking bigger risks with signings, rather than being taken to the cleaners for proven big names who end up doing little to improve your league performance.
 
Carrick wasn't even established in a dodgy Spurs team at the same age; they're not identical players, but context is needed, and the fact is his performances 2015/16 suggested that with a regular run in midfield he can be very dominant in there.

Most players would struggle to maintain form while playing between their former position in which they were relatively mediocre and the one they have since excelled in; if Bale wasn't world class if you reverted him back to leftback, nobody could blame him.

One thing I love about Dier is his ability to cover the defence from a default midfield position; this allowed Walker and Rose to bomb on in the knowledge they wouldn't be exposed. With Dier in the team, Mourinho might allow Shaw to venture forward with more freedom like Valencia, something he's naturally inclined to do, and allow him finally rediscover his natural dynamism without the handbrake on.

If the Shaw-Martial combination circa 2015 down the left can be revived, it will be a huge benefit to the team, and will bring the best out of both players who've seemingly lost their way, but have the potential to be big assets in the short, medium and long term.
 
Escape Goat said:
As I just posted in the Dier/Matic thread,
I think Dier would do very well, particularly with Mourinho coaching him.

Young players who come up at a smaller club like Spurs more often than not kick on when they move to the top level.

Besides the club can't keep throwing money at the "finished article", some risk is usually taken. See e.g. Ince, Keane, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Rio, Evra, Carrick, Vidic, de Gea etc.
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As a young player he came up from Sporting, not Tottenham.
 
Dante said:
I don't understand this thinking.

If he's good enough to match our ambitions of being the best team in England/Europe, then £100 million is worth it. If he's not, then he's not even worth a fiver.
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Not every player we sign has to be the best in their position. It's like signing Fellaini, he's definitely worth having in the squad and he's contributed a lot. But if we had to pay 50m for him it's never worth it. For 27m (although overpriced at the time) it was a good signing
 
Saf94 said:
Not every player we sign has to be the best in their position. It's like signing Fellaini, he's definitely worth having in the squad and he's contributed a lot. But if we had to pay 50m for him it's never worth it. For 27m (although overpriced at the time) it was a good signing
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Dier wouldn't be a squad player. That's different.
 
jesperjaap said:
Dier 50m
Pickford 30m
Keane 25m
Lukaku possibly world record fee

We must be viewed as a better version of China around the continent, laughable fees....just think those four players could cost nearly £200m you could sign virtually any two players in the world for those fees?
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You are stuck in 2010 if you think you could sign even one Neymar for £200m let alone two.

Those fees all look completely normal in 2017. You may notice that on the continent, they almost not spending at all.
 
Would rather Carrick play the DM role for the rest of the season than Dier. We would get fleeced for a player who isn't good enough to be starting for a team with ambitions such as ours. Considering Jose has us playing like a rich mans West Brom its no surprise he wants a thug midfielder who would fit into any Pulis team.
 
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