Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

Do you want United to sign Eric Dier?

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GlastonSpur said:
The key context you're ignoring is the money currently available to each manager: virtually zero in net terms for Pochettino because of the new stadium costs, but hundreds of millions for Mourinho, both last summer and this, and including that invested in your squad since Fergie left.

If Pochettino had the same money as Mourinho available then expectations would be higher. But this has zero to do with ambition.
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Dont think so mate, even before stadium I think Spurs are far more content with reaching top 4, CL football than actually winning things. I dont feel much pressure from the fans too for winning anything but rather proud with good league campaigns and emergence of the likes of Alli, Kane, Eriksen.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say he was definitely staying. To begin with I thought he might - just might - be sold if enough money was offered since he's not one of our star players. But then I thought about it some more and changed my mind and thought it unlikely, but not impossible, due to his good ability to form part of a back 3 - a system that Poch now seems to favour.

To answer your question, I don't know, but I'm still sceptical.
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Fair enough.

United are one club who would pay such an amount though. Its not got everyone in universal agreement on here though.
 
We are linked with the most bizarre feckin players this summer. Fabinho is twice the player. Pogba ruined him there a few days ago.
 
devilish said:
Gattuso was the most limited player ever and yet....pirlo would have been an average player without rino. In matter of fact there is still a piece of scholes and zidane hiding in his pocket.
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I agree in order to have the beauty to shine you need the beast doing the grunt work.
 
kdmaka said:
I agree in order to have the beauty to shine you need the beast doing the grunt work.
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Herrera already does the grunt work. Having 2 midfielders on the pitch at the same time tasked with defending is overkill, especially with fullbacks as limited as ours are.
 
El-Manos said:
We are linked with the most bizarre feckin players this summer. Fabinho is twice the player. Pogba ruined him there a few days ago.
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50 mill ? , how much did Kante go for ? , twice the player . This is a nonsense story , English media trying to drive up interest in English players , its not happening , period.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
He's a decent enough player, but limited. If the intention is to use him in – precisely – a limited DM capacity, he could do well. He's not a poor passer, as such – only, again, limited. He's perfectly capable of breaking up play and releasing the ball effectively to a more expansive midfielder (Herrera) to keep the momentum going.

His weakness, as @Brwned suggests above, is that he tends to look clumsy and out of place when he has to be a bit more adventurous on the ball (and with his passing options). But ideally you'd have Herrera there as – literally – the middle man between Dier and the attack (Pogba, not least, in more of an AM role).

I think that could work. But I obviously agree with the general idea that we should be able to dig up someone for that role somewhere for less than fifty mill. Dunno who that would be, though – we'll probably end up paying pretty heavily for anyone we go for this window.
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Agreed for the most part. The one thing I'd question is if Herrera really has a long-term future as that vital link. I think he's more of a Nicky Butt. Different skillset but similar long-term stature. Is Dier really that much of an upgrade than Herrera in that limited role? He probably is but I'm a Herrera fan and I prefer his interpretation of the role. We're more porous but we're less likely to look clueless when we really need people to step up. That's how we've always been, right?
 
kdmaka said:
I agree in order to have the beauty to shine you need the beast doing the grunt work.
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£50 million is a shocking amount of money to pay for a grunt. I do agree though, Dier would be the perfect foil for Pogba and Herrera, so long as he is strictly limited to DM, similar to the role Kante plays for Chelsea - breaking up play and shielding the back 4.

I'm in favour of this signing, only thing that bothers me is the ridiculous price tag that Levy has slapped on him.
 
There must be some piece of garden furniture we can play in midfield that would be just as effective as Dier?

Surely a quick trip to Homebase and a potential saving of nearly £50 million must be incentive enough to try this instead?
 
Brwned said:
Agreed for the most part. The one thing I'd question is if Herrera really has a long-term future as that vital link. I think he's more of a Nicky Butt. Different skillset but similar long-term stature. Is Dier really that much of an upgrade than Herrera in that limited role? He probably is but I'm a Herrera fan and I prefer his interpretation of the role. We're more porous but we're less likely to look clueless when we really need people to step up. That's how we've always been, right?
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Yeah. I know what you mean (I think).

I'm essentially picturing Dier in a very particular starting XI right now kind of context. IF we opt for a 4-3-3 of sorts at that. And the main point of it all being to unleash Pogba as an AM in a freer sort of role.

The question for me – if we're looking at Herrera for the DM part – is whether he's too porous, to use your term. He'd need to be very disciplined in addition to having a bite (which he has). The upside to him in the role is obvious: He's simply a better player, all things considered, and clearly more capable of adding something creative to the part (which smacks more of United, I fully agree with that).

Another question – if we remain with the 4-3-3 idea – is who then gets the third berth. Herrera as the hounding sort of DM who functions mainly as a holder, Pogba in the free role – but who's the middle man?
 
Dier is dire. Sideways and back slow sloooow sloooooowwwww!!

He is tall and versatile so maybe Jose likes him for that but given this alleged
Price tag we have to remember Harry
Maguire went for 20Million to Leicester.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Lol ... we finished effectively 18 points above you last season. You're the one who is deluded if you think our ambitions in the CL this coming season are any lower than yours.
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You finished second, which is worthless, we won 2 trophies, one of them a European trophy that you couldn't even get through a round of. I never said we had ambitions to win the CL this season, the word ambitions is for overall goals of the direction the club want to go in, United can get there, Spurs never will.
 
Is this guy as really as bad as some of you say? Him and Matic come to that. Both players were involved in the only two teams challenging for the title, so what is it that makes people squirm with Dier as a potential target?
 
This has escalated quickly after that Telegraph report.

I still find our DM is very unclear and the options are somewhat hard to get as they're coming from direct opponents in the league (Matic and Dier). The only accurate thing regarding our transfers are Perisic and Morata while all CMs and DMs are only speculations. I don't think we have even moved for the midfielder transfer till now.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Daley Blind is better than him in midfield and defence.
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This.

Blind may not have the physicality but at least his brain works.
Trying not to be awful but Dire doesn't strike me as having much football intelligence.

And if Jose thinks he can replace Carrick, then he's severely underrating Carrick and what he brings to the team imho.
 
Summit said:
Is this guy as really as bad as some of you say? Him and Matic come to that. Both players were involved in the only two teams challenging for the title, so what is it that makes people squirm with Dier as a potential target?
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I think Matic is pretty underrated on this forum, quality player in Chelsea's title run in 14/15 and had a solid season this year. It's Dier who I cannot stand, I can't even pick one strength to his game. He's painfully average, honestly, think Livermore has more to his game on a technical level and he's pretty brain dead. We won't gain anything from signing him.
 
Devil may care said:
ou finished second, which is worthless, we won 2 trophies, one of them a European trophy that you couldn't even get through a round of.
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Spurs were better than us last season. They performed significantly better over the course of a full league and finished safely in a position which gave them CL next season. We had to win the EL because our undefeated streak in the league consisted mainly of draws in which we failed to put away teams we should be better than.

Nobody feckin' cares that we won the Europa League other than United fans who try to score a point that isn't worth scoring. It's not a measure of where we are, quality wise, in anything but a negative sense. If we had finished the league safely in the top four, nobody on here would've given more than half a feck if we'd crashed out of the EL.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Spurs were better than us last season. They performed significantly better over the course of a full league and finished safely in a position which gave them CL next season. We had to win the EL because our undefeated streak in the league consisted mainly of draws in which we failed to put away teams we should be better than.

Nobody feckin' cares that we won the Europa League other than United fans who try to score a point that isn't worth scoring. It's not a measure of where we are, quality wise, in anything but a negative sense. If we had finished the league safely in the top four, nobody on here would've given more than half a feck if we'd crashed out of the EL.
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It's one of only two European trophies you can win, it's just the arrogance in England that dissmisses it, other countries don't. As Rio said, at the end of the day your trophy count is all that matters, no one talks about the season they finished second.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Spurs were better than us last season. They performed significantly better over the course of a full league and finished safely in a position which gave them CL next season. We had to win the EL because our undefeated streak in the league consisted mainly of draws in which we failed to put away teams we should be better than.

Nobody feckin' cares that we won the Europa League other than United fans who try to score a point that isn't worth scoring. It's not a measure of where we are, quality wise, in anything but a negative sense. If we had finished the league safely in the top four, nobody on here would've given more than half a feck if we'd crashed out of the EL.
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Sorry I'd rather win two minor trophies than feck all.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Sorry I'd rather win two minor trophies than feck all.
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You'd rather finish 6th in the league and win a pointless trophy you wouldn't be competing for in the first place if you were there or thereabouts for a club your size?

I wouldn't.

I'd rather see some undeniable signs we're on the right path – which a strong league campaign would be.

Much rather. But to each his own and all that.

We aren't starved for trophies and it isn't ages since we won proper ones. Our problem isn't that we've forgotten what it's like to win trophies, any kind of trophies.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
You'd rather finish 6th in the league and win a pointless trophy you wouldn't be competing for in the first place if you were there or thereabouts for a club your size?
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It's funny you say Spurs had a better season than us, and then go on to say we won pointless trophies, when Spurs were in both competitions we won. They obviously weren't too good for those pointless trophies.
 
Out of curiosity how unlimited do people think a player like Casemiro is? What do you think his value is to the Madrid team?

A great team isnt about having the best 11 players. But 11 players that work well together.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
It's funny you say Spurs had a better season than us, and then go on to say we won pointless trophies, when Spurs were in both competitions we won. They obviously weren't too good for those pointless trophies.
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Winning the Europa League means one thing and one thing only for Manchester United: We get into the CL. Which we would have done anyway if we had performed adequately in the league.

I have no interest in debating whether we were technically more successful or not than Tottenham last season – it's completely pointless as far as I'm concerned. If you think winning the EL is a valid reason to proclaim us the better team, go right ahead. I'll disagree every day of the week – but it's been done to death already in multiple other threads.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Out of curiosity how unlimited do people think a player like Casemiro is? What do you think his value is to the Madrid team?

A great team isnt about having the best 11 players. But 11 players that work well together.
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He isn't. He is a top DM, one of the best around! No team has the best 11 but great teams have a selection of players that rank amongst the best.
 
Average player

Sterile personality

Expensive



Not sure why the hell we're in for him (I believe we are). Hope it's not some dodgy deal cooked up by agents/Jose/Woodward for financial gain because this potential transfer sure doesn't make much footballing sense.
 
Dier is a good player. He is a homegrown player (we kinda still need these ) and he can play a number of defensive positions. I wouldnt mind getting him. He would fit into our team well. Tired of gettting Foreign players that need a year to get used to english footy. Its good to buy players that just slot right in no excuses. I think this may be why Jose isnt keen on fabinho unless Dier/Matic are a no go.
 
ChaddyP said:
Dier is a good player. He is a homegrown player (we kinda still need these ) and he can play a number of defensive positions. I wouldnt mind getting him. He would fit into our team well. Tired of gettting Foreign players that need a year to get used to english footy. Its good to buy players that just slot right in no excuses. I think this may be why Jose isnt keen on fabinho unless Dier/Matic are a no go.
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Dier doesn't qualify as homegrown.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Out of curiosity how unlimited do people think a player like Casemiro is? What do you think his value is to the Madrid team?

A great team isnt about having the best 11 players. But 11 players that work well together.
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Casemiro didn't cost Madrid £50 million.
 
Crimson King said:
Casemiro didn't cost Madrid £50 million.
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I'd pay £50 mil for him now though.

That's what I'd like to see honestly - us sign a name that I'm not familiar with for a reasonable fee and see him develop into a mainstay on the matchday team sheet.

Hoping Pereira becomes that and anyone else we get is a kind of safety net, adds depth.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
You'd rather finish 6th in the league and win a pointless trophy you wouldn't be competing for in the first place if you were there or thereabouts for a club your size?

I wouldn't.

I'd rather see some undeniable signs we're on the right path – which a strong league campaign would be.

Much rather. But to each his own and all that.

We aren't starved for trophies and it isn't ages since we won proper ones. Our problem isn't that we've forgotten what it's like to win trophies, any kind of trophies.
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I'd rather win 2 trophies and finish 6th, than finish 4th. Europa league meant a lot to some fans myself included, as it was the missing piece from our collection. I'm sure the Ajax fans would have loved to have won it. But some fans only see the very top prizes as worth competing for, maybe they haven't followed United as long as some of us.

If you can't see the club are heading on the 'right' path, then what exactly are you looking for? All we're missing is goal from all areas of the team. Jose has left his wish list and Woodward needs to get on signing people.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
You'd rather finish 6th in the league and win a pointless trophy you wouldn't be competing for in the first place if you were there or thereabouts for a club your size?

I wouldn't.

I'd rather see some undeniable signs we're on the right path – which a strong league campaign would be.

Much rather. But to each his own and all that.

We aren't starved for trophies and it isn't ages since we won proper ones. Our problem isn't that we've forgotten what it's like to win trophies, any kind of trophies.
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We are on the right track, we mainly finish 6th because we bottled the league and prioritised the Europe League after Zlatan, Pogba, Rojo, Bailly got injured. We could have competed for both and then lost out on both or try to win a trophy and get CL or win the top4 trophy.

Spurs got knocked out in these "pointless" competitions for what it's worth. I'd rwther see my team celebrate 3 times this year with a possible 4th against Real Madrid than win the 2nd/3rd place trophy without actually challenging. Because no, Spurs wasnt actually in the title race, was early-on Chelsea-bound.
 
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