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Both are at a similar level talent wise.
Both are at a similar level talent wise.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
He is bang average as far as I am concerned but you have to see it from a view that he will offer us what we need. We seem to forget our midfield contains Paul Pogba it's not like we lack flair and creativity we just need someone to get this beat out of our flair players and I feel this is what Mourinho see's. We have to remember we use to win titles with Darren Fletcher sniffing out danger, with Herrara we will get this again.
He's 23 so has a lot of time to learn the game more and more so improve quite a bit, composed midfielders better than him are a lot older and more experienced.
if Jose want to bring Dier to OT, I will trust his judgment. he is also still young and can learn many things from Jose. who knows if he can be one of world's best CDMs. haha..
I rate Dier a lot higher the most on here. The work he does on the pitch will often go under the radar - shielding the back 4, breaking up play and playing simple but effective passes - much like Carrick when he first arrived at United, but the latter improved his passing range significantly over the years making him one of the best CM's in the league, there is no guarantee that Dier could replicate this.
I'd gladly welcome Dier to United, but the quoted fee is borderline insanity. Even with the United tax £50 million is absolutely ridiculous for a player with such a limited skillset.
This. Quite underrated here on this forum. He has the potential to be a very good holding player.
I agree that he's a bit underrated, but when we can get someone on the same level or better for a whole lot less than what Spurs will demand, it makes sense that people aren't over the moon with the idea.
And this has nothing to do with fancy foreign names which gets bandied about here whenever someone disagrees with signing some English player (which in hindsight it's usually well founded). As I doubt there's a single person who'd pass on Kane who isn't a fancy foreign name.
And this has nothing to do with fancy foreign names which gets bandied about here whenever someone disagrees with signing some English player (which in hindsight it's usually well founded). As I doubt there's a single person who'd pass on Kane who isn't a fancy foreign name.
I think he's just had a bit of a loss of confidence this season. Going into euros it was looking like it was Dier plus one in England's midfield for the foreseeable future but the arrival of Wanyama plus his versatility led to him being moved about and the confidence had the previous season being dented. We don't need a fancy Dan, just someone who can provide a platform for Pogba. He can do that. The fee? Ah well. That's life and football now.
I cannot help but think Schneiderlin 2017 here.
I would just hope that we dont have to do business with that Levy cnut,if we do,i'd sign Danny Rose!
He was bossing the midfield when we signed him, showed glimpses and for me didn't get a fair chance with a regular run of games.
He would do the DM role for us just as well as Dier/Matic etc.
We'll pay big for either of our targets, I'd be happy with Dier or Fabinho, Matic less so, think he has been carried by Kante this year, will struggle to be the sole DM and is way to slow. He's good when your 3-0, not good when you need some tempo in your team
Severe under-rating of Eric Dier in this thread imo. Not worth the fee being quoted but not as bad as some are suggesting.
Exactly. Very decent player that many would have loved 12 months ago. Though £50m is ridiculous.
Yeah good point, I would have said the same, but now I don't know how much a player is 'worth' anymore... The market is crazy.
In any case, I highly doubt Spurs would sell even if you offered 50 million.
Those of you saying that you would stop watching football altogether if we spent £50 million on the likes of Dier and Perisic need to re-evaluate why you watch football in the first place.
Do you watch it for entertainment, or do you watch it because every player has been purchased for a 'reasonable' fee?
Just let the club spend what they want to spend and get on with supporting United and hopefully getting some entertainment out of it.
Why you're all so fascinated or up in arms about transfer fees boggles my mind.
The club will know who our transfer targets are and what our budget is, so just trust them to do what they're being paid for and get on with it.
If you still can't get over the transfer fees then go and support a lower league club who have no money to spend and be done with it.
After all, that's what's most important to you and why you watch football in the first place isn't it?
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Unfortunately even from solely an entertainment point of view signing Dier would be a stab in the eyes.
Although people actually wanted Schneiderlin.
He's a holding mid who can play CB as well. Would you rather we brought the entertainment home by signing Stones?
He's a holding mid who can play CB as well. Would you rather we brought the entertainment home by signing Stones?
I'd rather we sign a better holding midfielder.
Me too but not because of the entertainment value. That's not what you're looking for in a DM.
That's the thing isn't it, the club don't want to spend to £50 million on a player of Dier's ability for many reasons.
1. He is not worth £50million. Full stop.
2. Were United to pay such an exorbitant fee, it will set a precident for any and all future transfer deals involving the club. Perez will feel vindicated for haggling over the price for Morata and will not budge until we meet his valuation. He'd be well within his rights to do so as well.
3. The player himself will be under constant scrutiny from the fans, the media and football pundits alike throughout the country. Every misplaced pass, poorly timed tackle, positional error, loss of possession will be ridiculed. "he was never worth the fee in the first place" they/we will say.
4. Dier will wear that £50million price tag like a cross in every game he is a part of. Under constant pressure to perform as a £50million player, he will likely fold and under perform.
5. Spurs have one of the strongest teams in the league at present, gifting them £50million to further increase their squad would be counter productive to Jose and United.
6. Levy is a greedy slave driving bastard who seemingly despises our club with a passion. The thought of his horrificly ugly face donning a smile akin to that of a chesire cat as he laughs his way to the bank, angers me beyond belief.
7. He is not worth £50million. Full stop.
There are many variables that must be considered before pay over the odds for a footballer.
I can't see United paying over £50m, so if you're right, Dier won't be signing for United this summer. Saying that, I believe the Telegraph initially wrote that United wanted Dier and were willing to pay £40m, but Spurs were very unlikely to sell. They've now switched tones and are now saying Spurs are willing to sell at £50m, so if the Telegraph are to be believed, Spurs may sell at the right price.
#1):
Firstly, what he is 'worth' isn't for you or us fans to decide.
What he is 'worth' is up to Spurs and United to decide.
#2):
Supply and demand.
#3):
I don't care, and I don't see why you should either.
These are professionals being paid to do a job.
I doubt Dier will be seriously harmed or affected by what is being said about him on RedCafe or in the Daily Mail.
#4):
You've made the same point in #3.
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Perhaps, but if Jose has earmarked Dier as the man he wants then surely he believes it will benefit United too?
You're assuming that Dier will not improve us and the player they get with our extra £50 million will work out for them.
#6):
I don't care, it's not football related.
#7):
You've made the same point in #1.
Yeah I don't see United paying 50m either, but I also don't think Levy would sell for that price so I don't see this happening at all. I just think the media are pulling numbers out of their asses like always.
It's not like I really want us to sign Dier or anything, I just think people are not seeing the bigger picture.
Let's give Jose the benefit of the doubt, surely he deserves at least that for now?
How do we know that by purchasing Dier, it won't allow us to play better, more entertaining football by perhaps freeing up the defensive responsibilities of our other players?
Nobody knows until we actually see him play, so there is no point feeling down about it before it has even happened.
As for the size of the transfer fee, I think a big reason people care about this number being low is so that their friends, colleagues and the media do not make fun of them for it. Bragging rights essentially.
£20 / £30 million doesn't buy you the same calibre of player it did 5-10 years ago. The market has moved on and we need to adapt to it or get left behind.
I personally couldn't care less how much we pay, because I genuinely do not think it makes a difference to the club whether we pay £20 million or £50 million for Dier.
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That seems to be the norm right now. Spurs are short of a CB and that's a reason why they play Dier in that position. I guess none of us would have any complaints if we do a straight swap. But, if Levy expects money too, then he can bury himself in his greed. Nevertheless, I'd be happier to see us sign a better DM than Dier.
After seeing him look hapless v Pogba against France I'm certain he is not what we need. Average at best.
Yeah fair enough, if that's the case then this transfer is a non-starter and it appears that the majority of fans from both sides will be happy if so.
1. Disagree. Matchday revenue and commercial revenue have an enormous effect on a football clubs overal wealth and it is the fans who directly contribute to this. You'll have a hard time convincing a regular match goer or season ticket holder that their opinion is immaterial. Admitidly I am neither of those anymore.
2. A player of Eric Dier's ability is hardly in demand and since United do not value him at the proposed asking price, your analogy is null and void. It's also insulting to refer to a footballer as a marketing commodity. Jesus wept.
3. Well I do care. Who's to say the the huge fee will not have an adverse effect on his performance, or the negative comments in the press for that matter? £50million is a huge cross to bare. Fellaini was heavily overpriced and his fee is often mentioned when he has a poor performance. Rooney wouldn't recieve half the stick if he was on a "regular" wage rather than the 300k a week he's on now. Pogba struggled early in the season and I believe his world record fee contributed to this. I'm not alone in this belief.
4. You're probably right. See 3.
5. Were United to pay Spurs £50million for the acquisition of one Eric Dier, it would be the latter who got the the better part of the deal, significantly. And since Spurs are already a better team than United at present, it would be illogical to further increase the distance between us.
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7. The point of this was to give emphasise to the original arguement, the one that is being discussed in this very thread. Eric Dier is not worth £50million by any stretch of the imagination.
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Why didn't we try harder to sign Kante last summer who looked a much better player than Dier? I don't know how much Chelsea paid but I'm fairly sure it wasn't £50m
If the expectations for the role are that low why not just groom Tuanzebe into the role and use our money to fund an acquisition that will actually help us win matches like a prolific wide man? We are taking an average player off Spurs and giving them 50m to strengthen.
His positional awareness is poor, he is nothing like Carrick and he will never be.
Actually with Carrick it was the other way round. He was a brilliant passer with really average defensive skills. Its his defending that improved significantly at United.
If how a player faired against Pogba and Kante at their brilliant best was how we judged potential midfield siginings we wouldn't be able to sign anyone
And it doesn't need to be. Carrick replaced Keane yet he was almost nothing like him yet proved an astute replacement. United currently need a proper defensive shield, that can enable us to put on the press in midfield that is good at recycling possession without losing it. That's all. A top water carrier to enable the likes of Pogba and Herrera to impose their freedom on opponents. Having Carrick's passing skill or play making style is simply a bonus.
Are you sure? I always remembered it the other way around. You could be right though, I drink to much to rely on my memory so I'll take your word for it.
Im sure. When Carrick first arrived the complaint from many was he was too weak defensively to partner a Scholes. He was viewed as a Pirlo type: namely a passer who needed a grafter alongside him. At first it was even why he was so succesful in his first season. The entire league would target him, opening up wide spaces for him and Scholes to exploit with their impressive passing. Giving him the added bonus of a steep learning curve defensively.
Mourinho's pretty good at identifying particular cogs for a particular sort of machinery – which I imagine is precisely what Dier represents IF we are actually after him.
So, I don't think there's any chance of him turning out to be Schneiderlin Mk 2, whatever else may be wrong with him (from a general perspective).
So, I don't think there's any chance of him turning out to be Schneiderlin Mk 2, whatever else may be wrong with him (from a general perspective).
We did.
He isn't a DM.