Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

Do you want United to sign Eric Dier?


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If Pochettino could guarantee 2nd every year whilst winning feck all with low budget and good scouting, Levy'd sign him on a 5 year contract. If Mou would offer that, we'd tell him to piss off and leave. Thats the difference between United and Spurs ambitions.

The current low transfer budget requirement is because we have a new stadium to pay for, not because of any low ambition. In fact the new stadium itself is a sign of high ambition.

It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.
 
No thanks, Would rather have one of Romeu,Carvalho,Fabinho,Nzonzi,Perrera
 
with his size, his game, his nationality:
He would be the ideal anchor behind Paul and Ander! just sit in the front of the CB, read the movements of Paul&Ander and pass it to either of one of them.

So basically because he's big because he wont fall under the homegrown category and will be in the 18 non homegrown players, from players like Robson Ince Keane Scholes to potentially Dier deary me.
 
The current low transfer budget requirement is because we have a new stadium to pay for, not because of any low ambition. In fact the new stadium itself is a sign of high ambition.

It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.

Another misuse of words, at no point have Spurs ever been on United's level, that's not elitist, it's just a fact. Pochettino has built a decent side that has won nothing while our constantly in turmoil side has bagged 3 trophies in the last 2 seasons, you sound like that lad who used to post here and go on about Wenger's 5 year plan that got extended every year after another also ran season.
 
The current low transfer budget requirement is because we have a new stadium to pay for, not because of any low ambition. In fact the new stadium itself is a sign of high ambition.

It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.
Delusional? When we have won 3 major Cups that you couldn't come close to in 25 years!
 
It's having players like Lingard, Fellaini and Rashford frequently start for us that has turned us into an average team. Why add more average players? makes no sense whatsoever.

Same things were said of Carrick in 2006. His signing was not one for the fans.
 
Same things were said of Carrick in 2006. His signing was not one for the fans.

The 'some people were against signing Carrick as well' argument has been used as justification for pretty much every awful signing we've made since then.

It's obvious that Dier is an incredibly limited footballer, which Carrick certainly wasn't. Paying 50 million for him would be the worst transfer deal of all time.
 
The 'some people were against signing Carrick as well' argument has been used as justification for pretty much every awful signing we've made since then.

It's obvious that Dier is an incredibly limited footballer, which Carrick certainly wasn't. Paying 50 million for him would be the worst transfer deal of all time.
Andy Carroll? John Stones? There is no need to exaggerate because you don't rate him.
 
Either that or some fans have just become snobs after they got spoiled by years of chasing the biggest names

People here generally loved the Lindelof signing and want us to sign Fabinho instead of Dier. Dier is probably a bigger name than the other two mentioned.
 
It's obvious that Dier is an incredibly limited footballer
An "incredibly limited footballer"? Bit over the top there. He's at worst a good player. Incredibly limited is doing him a disservice whether you want him to sign or not.

Dier is important clog in the Spurs side. How many times do you see them switch up play and have him join in as a centre half when they need a plan B? That's certainly not limited. The opposite actually. You can see why Jose wants him.
 
Carricks issue was that he wasn't a all aggressive type midfielder like Keane or just couldn't pass better than Scholes. So fans decided to get on his back. But he was the main man at Spurs.

Dier is anything but. If we buying someone for £50m that can't even get in their team when everyone's fit then that's not really a good sign.
 
Squad player at best, can be useful playing at CDM mainly, CB cover & RB.

Can't see him leaving Spurs, regular playtime, Poch trust him, not even one of their key players nor first 11, and would cost a lot of money.

Can't see what he can bring to our team, other than physicality on midfield (good physique and height), okay passing and okay set-piece.

^Spurs fans are better judges at this.

:lol: Would be awkward if he is joining us, after him trying to pick-on Herrera and all.
 
The 'some people were against signing Carrick as well' argument has been used as justification for pretty much every awful signing we've made since then.

It's obvious that Dier is an incredibly limited footballer, which Carrick certainly wasn't. Paying 50 million for him would be the worst transfer deal of all time.

It's the same Fletcher argument people used to justify Darron Gibson as a United player, Dier has nothing in common with Carrick other than being tall and playing for Spurs.
 
Well I rate Dier, think he'll be a pretty decent DM for us. He's pretty decent in the air, a good passer and tackler, but maybe he won't be making all the fancy moves of a Fabinho so the fans don't want him. He hasn't hit his peak yet and has plenty of time to develop and grow into the Carrick role for us.

Spurs fans rate him highly from what I can see and so does his manager who has played him for the vast majority of games this season.
 
The current low transfer budget requirement is because we have a new stadium to pay for, not because of any low ambition. In fact the new stadium itself is a sign of high ambition.

It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.
You said he was definitely staying.

So are the 50 mil talks not true?
 
Another misuse of words, at no point have Spurs ever been on United's level, that's not elitist, it's just a fact. Pochettino has built a decent side that has won nothing while our constantly in turmoil side has bagged 3 trophies in the last 2 seasons, you sound like that lad who used to post here and go on about Wenger's 5 year plan that got extended every year after another also ran season.

I'm talking about ambition, not "club levels". Spurs are just as ambitious as United - and as I've said it's just elitist nonsense to imagine otherwise.
 
Delusional? When we have won 3 major Cups that you couldn't come close to in 25 years!

Achievement is not the same thing as ambition ... you seem not to know the difference.

It would be just as silly for me to cite our higher league position as proof of higher ambition than United.
 
The current low transfer budget requirement is because we have a new stadium to pay for, not because of any low ambition. In fact the new stadium itself is a sign of high ambition.

It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.

It's not about that at all.

In 5 years time I expect United to have won 2 league titles and a few cups for good measure. I'm basing this prediction entirely on the fact that United have the financial means to reach those expectations. I feel confident that the board would concur with that prediction.

Where do you see Spurs in 5 years time?
 
maybe he won't be making all the fancy moves of a Fabinho so the fans don't want him
What fancy moves? The passes out to the flank for which Rooney was derided? The lack of good passes into forwards' feet? The running with the ball out of his position and leaving a hole? Let's face it: Fabinho is bang average. Dier, on the other hand, is the real deal.
 
It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.

That's bollocks, Glaston.

There's some proper shite spouted here by United fans, I'll give you that. But United and Spurs aren't on the same level as football clubs, either historically or presently.

From a not unreasonable perspective, our aim is the very top of the mountain – we have the history, the fan base, and the money to aim that loftily. It might very well be that we won't get there – but it's not an outlandish aim as such, long term.

Spurs may realistically aim to cement a status as a top club – similar to what Arsenal have been, say – but unless something changes dramatically, you can't very well claim that you're in a realistic position to go head-to-head with Real Madrid, to put it like that.

And that could be seen as our ambition – or ultimate ambition, if you will. You need more fans, more trophies and more money to entertain such wild ideas.

Doesn't mean you won't better us short-term results wise, of course. Ambition is a fine thing, but hardly anything to brag about in itself. United are in danger of becoming a club whose lofty ambitions don't match the reality of the table at all – so, again, I'm not posturing here, just making a simple point: United are, like it or not, in a slightly different category than Tottenham (as long as it lasts).
 
I'm talking about ambition, not "club levels". Spurs are just as ambitious as United - and as I've said it's just elitist nonsense to imagine otherwise.

Our ambitions are to win the Champions League, if Spurs have the same ambition it's called delusions of grandeur.
 
What fancy moves? The passes out to the flank for which Rooney was derided? The lack of good passes into forwards' feet? The running with the ball out of his position and leaving a hole? Let's face it: Fabinho is bang average. Dier, on the other hand, is the real deal.

I'm with you mate, I would be happy enough to have Dier in our team. Was just trying to come up with a reason why people fancy Fabinho a lot more than this guy.
 
I'm basing this prediction entirely on the fact that United have the financial means to reach those expectations. I feel confident that the board would concur with that prediction.
And Spurs have the ambition to achieve that, just not the resources. Face it, Man Utd are bang average.
 
The current low transfer budget requirement is because we have a new stadium to pay for, not because of any low ambition. In fact the new stadium itself is a sign of high ambition.

It's just delusional and elitist nonsense to imagine that United harbour greater ambitions than Spurs.
It isnt, if Pochettino can keep getting Spurs CL football, finishing high, Levy will be more than happy with him and wont fire him. If Mou wouldnt win a trophy in 3 years, he's out.
 
Gattuso was the most limited player ever and yet....pirlo would have been an average player without rino. In matter of fact there is still a piece of scholes and zidane hiding in his pocket.
 
Gattuso was the most limited player ever and yet....pirlo would have been an average player without rino. In matter of fact there is still a piece of scholes and zidane hiding in his pocket.

Dier is a completely different type of player to Gattuso as well.
 
Dier is a completely different type of player to Gattuso as well.

If hes mobile, he keep it simple, hes got decent positioning and he knows how to tackle then im happy. You dont need a mesdi there
 
It isnt, if Pochettino can keep getting Spurs CL football, finishing high, Levy will be more than happy with him and wont fire him. If Mou wouldnt win a trophy in 3 years, he's out.

The key context you're ignoring is the money currently available to each manager: virtually zero in net terms for Pochettino because of the new stadium costs, but hundreds of millions for Mourinho, both last summer and this, and including that invested in your squad since Fergie left.

If Pochettino had the same money as Mourinho available then expectations would be higher. But this has zero to do with ambition.
 
It's not about that at all.

In 5 years time I expect United to have won 2 league titles and a few cups for good measure. I'm basing this prediction entirely on the fact that United have the financial means to reach those expectations. I feel confident that the board would concur with that prediction.

Where do you see Spurs in 5 years time?

Expectations are not the same as ambition. The latter is more limited at Spurs currently because of the new stadium costs.

But to answer your question: In 5 year's time I see Spurs in the top 10 globally income-wise (perhaps even in the top 8), playing CL football on a regular basis, challenging for the title (just as we have already done these last 2 seasons) and winning a few trophies.
 
Our ambitions are to win the Champions League, if Spurs have the same ambition it's called delusions of grandeur.

Lol ... we finished effectively 18 points above you last season. You're the one who is deluded if you think our ambitions in the CL this coming season are any lower than yours.
 
Lol ... we finished effectively 18 points above you last season. You're the one who is deluded if you think our ambitions in the CL this coming season are any lower than yours.
You also got knocked out at the first opportunity in the Europa league by Gent/Genk. You can cling to the 2nd place trophy if it makes you feel better, but at the end of the day, you've won nothing and have been consistently dire in Europe. I think you can only laugh at us once you start winning actual trophies - and at the highest level.

In the meantime, this is dire Dier's thread so please can we stop the Spurs vs United chat?:)
 
You said he was definitely staying.

So are the 50 mil talks not true?

I didn't say he was definitely staying. To begin with I thought he might - just might - be sold if enough money was offered since he's not one of our star players. But then I thought about it some more and changed my mind and thought it unlikely, but not impossible, due to his good ability to form part of a back 3 - a system that Poch now seems to favour.

To answer your question, I don't know, but I'm still sceptical.