Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

Do you want United to sign Eric Dier?

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Wanted him when he was at Sporting and was surprised we didn't try for him given our connections. We've always wanted to add some steel to our midfield ever since Keane left and we'd get run over from time to time, I think he fits the bill, not to mention him being a United fan and already PL proven.
 
Freak said:
It's the same sort of reaction that people had when United were signing Carrick. I like Dier and think he'd be a brilliant signing to fit our need in the DM position.
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Agreed, it's easy to say Dier isn't a Carrick type player but Carrick wasn't the Carrick he is now/has been for us either

Dier would give that midfield of Pogba and Herrera the same kind of balance Carrick does when he plays there
 
AltiUn said:
If Mourinho wants a pure destroyer then it's probably better we're going for Dier, there's not many players like him currently, Fabinho's the better player but we've got to sign who fits the system.
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I really hate this idea of a 'destroyer' type player. Any footballer within reason can play that role, what's harder is doing something useful with the ball once we win it back. It's such a waste to have a player in the middle of the park who offers nothing but a good tackle.
 
Ali Dia said:
I agree but other people will say that's blind faith etc. it just stems from us sucking so much over the last few years. Sometimes the most expensive players aren't the right players. Jose so far has signed the right players. Nobody can argue with that. If it continunes and we improve some more he'll have been proven correct. He's an underwhelming name but could be England international dm for the next 7/8 years. It would be good to keep a British core at the club too. He can move the ball around and get stuck in. I think if the manager wants this kind of player then why not? I already can't wait for next season to start. Worriedly looking at the city signings today though I have to say.
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Don't get me wrong, a significant amount of money has been spent on players in recent years that have either left or simply not been good enough. That said, Jose's transfers in Bailly, Zlatan, Pogba and Miki have all been positive. Appreciate Miki has taken longer to settle, but his contribution in us getting CL via the Europa is unquestionable.

Plus I generally see Mourinho as a far higher calibre of manager than Moyes / LVG so happy to give him time. I just hope that Ed does as well this Summer as last...
 
Pass and Move said:
I really hate this idea of a 'destroyer' type player. Any footballer within reason can play that role, what's harder is doing something useful with the ball once we win it back. It's such a waste to have a player in the middle of the park who offers nothing but a good tackle.
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Perhaps but we've got to trust the manager on this one, we've given him a blank chequebook and his record speaks for itself, if he wants Dier there's a reason for it and if he believes a destroyer is necessary to our system then I'm satisfied even if I don't particularly like Dier.
 
AltiUn said:
Perhaps but we've got to trust the manager on this one, we've given him a blank chequebook and his record speaks for itself, if he wants Dier there's a reason for it and if he believes a destroyer is necessary to our system then I'm satisfied even if I don't particularly like Dier.
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Dier is not a destroyer. To say that he is suggests you havent actually watched him play very much.
 
Pass and Move said:
I really hate this idea of a 'destroyer' type player. Any footballer within reason can play that role, what's harder is doing something useful with the ball once we win it back. It's such a waste to have a player in the middle of the park who offers nothing but a good tackle.
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Mourinho's original Chelsea side had Makelele sitting, his last had Matic, thats the way he likes to play, with a defensively capeable player.
Dier can play a bit too, hes not some random donkey.
 
He's going to be far more useful to the squad than an aging carrick that Jose isn't using anymore anyway. Who knows what his ceiling is? Maybe joses team have been following him for a long time and see him in a specific role he hasn't played yet? He'll be playing with better players (yes I just said that) I remember not being too crazy on carricks signing at the time and i actually didn't see the point in him for the first while but look at how important he became? The team mutates into different things with each group of players hitting maturity together. It's all down to the manager.

Edit - exactly he'd just use jones/tuanzebe/mensa there and sign a major defender if he just wanted tackles and energy. Dier can really pass the ball around well and can defend well too. I think he's a smart not so glam signing
 
BennyBlanco said:
Mourinho's original Chelsea side had Makelele sitting, his last had Matic, thats the way he likes to play, with a defensively capeable player.
Dier can play a bit too, hes not some random donkey.
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I'm not suggesting Mourinho doesn't like to play this way, and I'm not suggesting I'd do a better job managing United, simply that I don't like these players who offer little more than breaking up the play. I don't doubt Dier is decent, but I'd much rather see Veratti (obviously) or go for a deep lying playmaker instead.

I'd love us to always play a really high line and rely on the pace of Valencia, Smalling and Shaw to sweep up should the opposition counter.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Mourinho's original Chelsea side had Makelele sitting, his last had Matic, thats the way he likes to play, with a defensively capeable player.
Dier can play a bit too, hes not some random donkey.
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And at Inter he had Cambiasso.
 
Ali Dia said:
I agree but other people will say that's blind faith etc. it just stems from us sucking so much over the last few years. Sometimes the most expensive players aren't the right players. Jose so far has signed the right players. Nobody can argue with that. If it continunes and we improve some more he'll have been proven correct. He's an underwhelming name but could be England international dm for the next 7/8 years. It would be good to keep a British core at the club too. He can move the ball around and get stuck in. I think if the manager wants this kind of player then why not? I already can't wait for next season to start. Worriedly looking at the city signings today though I have to say.
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Just a friendly reminder that our midfield is nothing without Pogba, our best defender is Bailly, without Ibra we can't score, and Mkhitaryan has carried us in Europe.

Meanwhile, City's GK and CB signings have been donkeys, their CM signing is always on the operating table and their two forwards signings are still developing.
 
Adisa said:
How does he play in your midfield?
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Wanyama plays the destroyer role - Dier is much more progressive in his passing and it is his ability on the ball that makes him so useful. He is a strong tackler but his game is about good positioning and good quality short and long passing.

The fact he can slot seemlessly into both defense and midfield gives us the flexibility to play several tactics in the same match. He is actually a very decent right back also due to the quality of his crossing.
 
breakout67 said:
Just a friendly reminder that our midfield is nothing without Pogba, our best defender is Bailly, without Ibra we can't score, and Mkhitaryan has carried us in Europe.

Meanwhile, City's GK and CB signings have been donkeys, their CM signing is always on the operating table and their two forwards signings are still developing.
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I know, I've been saying in other threads that Joses signings have all helped us progress in some way. I shudder to think where the team would be without them? I think dier could be another one. I don't know what's going to happen at city. If Pep gets it dead right in a few windows they could be scary. They could also turn out a bit shit too. The one thing I do know is our manager has won everything and at different clubs. He knows what's needed on the pitch and the type of player needed in the dressing room to succeed in any given situation. Pep had it easy at Barca. Very easy. Bayern he did ok but it was a little harder job. If he was really THAT good he would have won the CL with them. I'm not sure about him overall. His signings haven't exactly worked so far but judging him after one year is silly and he's obviously being backed to the hilt as is Jose here. I'd rather have Jose because he's done it everywhere without messi Xavi and iniesta and he's not walking into and destroying a winning squad, he's trying to create a new one from almost scratch

Edit - these lads aren't just being bought as names. Their numbers are being majorly crunched before they are signed too. I'd image his Pl and international experience, his projected ceiling and the fact he's English are all being factored in, also how the team is aiming to play. It's not like we are missing out on Roy Keane this summer somewhere else either. Vidal was as close to that as we could have gotten. We should have been in for him when he was leaving Leverkusen. The other top teams scouts seemed to have been doing a far better job of persuading managers to sign these players over the last 6 or 7 years. Depay and Morgan. Two players who will have average careers. We even have a buy back for depay in case he gets better. He wasn't doing it here at all. He looked a couple of standards below what we wanted. You have to wonder about the scouting as well as the management in the past few years. Hopefully this manger sorts it out.
 
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balaks said:
Wanyama plays the destroyer role - Dier is much more progressive in his passing and it is his ability on the ball that makes him so useful. He is a strong tackler but his game is about good positioning and good quality short and long passing.
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So basically he's the new Carrick based on your description. How would you compare these two?
 
think he would work well with Herrera and Pogba in a 3 gives us much need steel, good on the ball, long range passing would need improving but would hopefully leave that to Pogba anyway, gets around the pitch well for being a big lad, prob take a massive fee to be fair with Levy but not my money so go get him.
 
Stacks said:
So good he got relegated to CB for most of the season. We want to win league titles and compete in the CL so we go for a guy who was shafted for Dembele and Wanyama
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To be fair to him he is a victim of his ability to play well in various positions (which I see as a major plus for him as a player) rather than a lack of ability to play in midfield. He proved last season just how good he is in midfield but I cant argue with Wanyama being in midfield ahead of him since he has been an absolute beast in there for us.
 
abhayselvan said:
So basically he's the new Carrick based on your description. How would you compare these two?
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He is less creative than Carrick but is quicker and stronger - his passing is good but not spectacular. He is the kind of player that goes about his job extremely well and although he may not make the highlight reel he is a very important part of our team. I would be very disappointed if he left Spurs, particularly as I believe he has plenty of scope to improve as a player - imo he already is one of the best young defenders in the Premiership and is a very capable midfielder.
 
A lot of you are making the mistake of talking about Carrick in hindsight when in actuality he was seen as a somewhat underwhelming signing in some quarters of the fan-base at the time. Gattuso and Marcos Senna got the juices flowing back then..........
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You are talking like Wanyama and Dembele are shit players
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They are just more outwardly physical and mobile. It lets what they have up front go and play in the way their manger thinks suits them. I think our press will start with a dm who can spread it around better than either of those two players. It's just a different style but trying to achieve the same thing. The sum being better than the parts.
 
balaks said:
He is less creative than Carrick but is quicker and stronger - his passing is good but not spectacular. He is the kind of player that goes about his job extremely well and although he may not make the highlight reel he is a very important part of our team. I would be very disappointed if he left Spurs, particularly as I believe he has plenty of scope to improve as a player - imo he already is one of the best young defenders in the Premiership and is a very capable midfielder.
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He doesn't have to be as creative as Carrick, Pogba and Herrera (Perreira too) are creative enough with their passing. He needs to be able to move the ball on at the right time and recycle posession - both of which he can do. His defensive abilities make him suitable for the holding role as well. He might not be a glamorous signing but will prove to the right one in my view.
 
Ali Dia said:
Gattuso was class in that system. Great little player.
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Absolutely. I'm just making the point that the comparisons with Carrick are unfair because with him people are talking with hindsight about what he has become.

£18m in 2006 was not a small deal but no one regrets missing out on Gattuso as the years have gone by. But in 2006 his standing was way ahead of Carrick [CL winner, World Cup winner, Serie A Champion] vs Carrick whose highlight was 5th with Spurs and just three years back suffered relegation from the league.

Sir Alex wanted him as a youngster and felt the time was right for Carrick to step up. He had all the tools in his game to make the step up but the fans didn't appreciate him for a while. Similarly Jose may see the same potential in Dier to step up.
 
Adisa said:
Just one question, who do people want as our DM?
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Herrera. He can be our Gabi, mixing skill with decent mobility and toughness at the base of the midfield. They didn't fall to pieces after Tiago left, and with Mourinho coaching his style and a midfield of Pogba, a passer and Herrera sitting behind them we won't either.

We're going to be solid defensively. To effectively create counter-attacking opportunities, we need players skilled and composed enough to make passes to start counters. Against Ajax, for example, Smalling's positioning was fantastic, but basically every time he won the ball or was in the right place and intercepted it, he just hoofed it. We need players defensively aware enough to play Mourinho's style but who won't just panic in possession after not touching the ball for a few minutes.
 
balaks said:
He is less creative than Carrick but is quicker and stronger - his passing is good but not spectacular. He is the kind of player that goes about his job extremely well and although he may not make the highlight reel he is a very important part of our team. I would be very disappointed if he left Spurs, particularly as I believe he has plenty of scope to improve as a player - imo he already is one of the best young defenders in the Premiership and is a very capable midfielder.
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How would you compare him to Henderson?
 
Nick. said:
Dier and Keane as two of our (max) four signings. Imagine that. We'll fall far behind.
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Actually, I think that would be fantastic.

Two young, talented PL proven English players.

I don't understand why some people want someone like Fabinho over Dier. The exotic name? The sense of mystery?

Lastly, I think if we could get Dier for £40m it would be a good deal considering his age and the fact that even if he didn't meet expectations, he would still have a solid resale value.

Probably would take closer to £50m in 2017s market.
 
Boycott said:
Absolutely. I'm just making the point that the comparisons with Carrick are unfair because with him people are talking with hindsight about what he has become.

£18m in 2006 was not a small deal but no one regrets missing out on Gattuso as the years have gone by. But in 2006 his standing was way ahead of Carrick [CL winner, World Cup winner, Serie A Champion] vs Carrick whose highlight was 5th with Spurs and just three years back suffered relegation from the league.

Sir Alex wanted him as a youngster and felt the time was right for Carrick to step up. He had all the tools in his game to make the step up but the fans didn't appreciate him for a while. Similarly Jose may see the same potential in Dier to step up.
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We are absolutely on the same page.
 
Stacks said:
So good he got relegated to CB for most of the season. We want to win league titles and compete in the CL so we go for a guy who was shafted for Dembele and Wanyama
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Why is a CB slot "relegation" compared to a DM slot?

More importantly, he played the CB role because we shifted to playing 3 at the back (Dier, Alderweireld and Vertonghen) - and did so to good effect. And on those occasions when we played with a back 4, Dier was usually started in CM alongside Wanyama. Either way he started as part of the first XI - what more do you want?
 
Ali Dia said:
They are just more outwardly physical and mobile. It lets what they have up front go and play in the way their manger thinks suits them. I think our press will start with a dm who can spread it around better than either of those two players. It's just a different style but trying to achieve the same thing. The sum being better than the parts.
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Mourinho conquered Europe with two DMs worse at passing than Dier, named Costinho at Porto and Makelele at Chelsea. I honestly don't believe for Mourinho"s prefered style he cant learn to deliver to a level those two did. Given his age. IMO a player like him would give Pogba and Herrera more freedom.to impose themselves on teams. Similar to how Makelele allowed Lampard and Essien to wreck havoc, or how Costinha enabled Deco and Maniche to be a terror.
 
Boycott said:
A lot of you are making the mistake of talking about Carrick in hindsight when in actuality he was seen as a somewhat underwhelming signing in some quarters of the fan-base at the time. Gattuso and Marcos Senna got the juices flowing back then..........
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There are a lot of players who would be seen as underwhelming signings and the vast majority of them will actually underwhelm rather than turning into the next Carrick.
 
PL proven and English are not good reasons to sign a player, the national team is shite because it has to be filled with English players, we don't produce much these days, Rooney was the last one of any note. On top of not wanting him I can't see why Spurs would sell him, he's got a long contract and covers 3 posiitons for them.
 
sullydnl said:
There are a lot of players who would be seen as underwhelming signings and the vast majority of them will actually underwhelm rather than turning into the next Carrick.
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Agreed, this was the same logic that Gibson would turn out like Fletcher.
 
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