Thanks for answering. So is Walker in Poch's bad books? I thought he was the best RB this season, so why sell?
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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I think it's a combination of things. First that his wife apparently wants the family to move back up north, where Walker is from. Second that we have capable replacement in Trippier, plus a good academy prospect RB (the similarly named Kyle Walker-Peters) and could easily sign another good RB with the Walker sale-money. And third, I guess, that Man. City are apparently willing to offer a large sum - a very large sum in comparison to the money that even very good RBs usually go for.
And of course Walker will likely get big wage increase, so he won't be exactly against leaving.
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Using that logic, wouldn't the same apply to all Spurs players who's current wage does not reflect their ability? Such as Kane, Dier, Alli and the like.
Plus he's more likely to win things at City.
Depends on individual players obviously.
Of course. But a player being obviously not being against getting more wages doesn't mean that they will actively agitate for a move, or that Spurs will be willing to sell.
Players force moves away all the time and if the club responds in a heavy handed manner it becomes counter-productive ending up hurting both parties. Saying that I wouldn't want to see this Spurs sode broken up because I love the way you have gone about building your squad and am very keen to see how far your manager and this group takes you.
I think it's safe to assume that the vast majority of professional footballers would at the very least want parity with those they consider to be on a similar level ability wise. Wouldn't you?
I'm not sure I would agree with that, mate. Every club on the planet has been held to ransom by a greedy player wishing to force a move away and I include United among them.
I want this team taken apart, raided and sold for scrap metal
Well we were good in league with standout performances all over the park last season, there wasn't any discontent then, why now? Lloris has came out and said his future is with Poch and Spurs so I don't get all this "every Spurs player will want out" it just smacks of frustration and sour grapes personally.
As a life long Spurs fan it doesn't bother me, if a player wants to leave I know Levy will make him stay as long as possible and get as much as he can. I've heard season after season about how we will fail to progress and drop back to midtable while the "big spenders" will rise to dominance. Guess what it hasn't happened, there will be no mass exile this summer as many expect.
Yeah I understand how you feel in that regard, but I wasn't alluding to that point. For what it's worth I dont believe their will be a mass exodus either.
I was simply statng the obvious, that the Spurs players will want their weekly wage packet to reflect their undoubted ability. If you were offered a pay increase that practically doubled your current one, would you not deeply consider said offer? I know I would given the opportunity. Think of it from the players perspective rather than a fan of the club you love.
Of course I understand it, but there are other things to consider and I personally don't know what players consider and clearly it would be down to the individual.
Take Lloris for example has been linked with PSG for the last number of years but still he's at Spurs. We as fans don't really know the ins and outs but one thing I can guarantee is that tapping up is still a massive part of transfers. I would say Lloris knows exactly what PSG would offer him but has said he doesn't want to leave therefore no bid has come in from them. So we can't just say every player is solely influenced by money, if that were the case football would have died completely.
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I'm sure there are a great many factors to consider before taking on such a drastic change in circumstance, particularly for a footballer who's career is extremely limited, but I'm prepared to bet my entire life-savings (which isn't a lot unfortunately) that the salary being offered is smack bang at the top of the list. To believe anything less is bit fairytale, no?
If United offer Dier a weekly salary that would double the current one he receives at Spurs, I think he will take it with open arms. That's just my opinion though.
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With regard to the Lloris example, well, you have to remember that these players are trained in all matters concerning public relations, and a great deal of what they spout in the press should be taken with a pinch of salt.
How much money do you guys think United would offer Dier?
If you were to listen to the Caf, they'd argue Spurs should be paying us to take Dier.
£40 million is the fee currently being bandied about. Severley over-priced even when you consider Levy's greed and the "United-tax" added on.
Ahh, I meant wage-wise. It's all nice and good to say 'if someone doubled his salary', but how likely is that scenario?
40m for dier is worth it
What is Dier on currently, 60k?
I think it's very likely that United could double that offer, consider the boards stupidity regarding the Rooney contract debacle for example. Ludicrous as it is.
I think he is probably at around 70k now, and he would probably know that if he continues to improve he could get the kind of money Verthongen is on (around 100k). But yeah, maybe you would offer him 120k, but it's not that much more than what we would realistically offer.
I'm sure Dier would wheather Levy will accept the offer is another matter. Dier will only be sold if Poch oks the deal, he's not high profile enough to force a move.
I hear you but I think what they have achieved and seem close to achieving has to be respected.
Press reporting a £50m bid rejected lmao. Can't be true surely? Football finically has gone mad the bubble is bound to burst eventually.
Was the bid made by UTD?
Where did you read that? I can't find anything on the net.
Do not want this block headed cnut.
The Metro? Hardly the most irrefutable source on the internet mate. Still, assuming there is an element of truth to the article, it wouldn't surprise me to see Levy turn down such a large bid. The greedy old beggar!
Which block headed cnut do you want then?
Agree that Walker is dispensable; he's a better rightback than Trippier, but as a wingback Trippier edges it due to his crossing and on the bigger pitch at Wembley I can see Pocchettino using the 3-5-2 as default. Adam Smith would be a decent replacement for a fraction of the price, has the same number of league assists for a worse team, plus has Spurs affinity via his development in the academy.
With that taken into account, I think Dier is also replaceable as the right sided defender; he and Wanyama are competing for that one midfield anchor spot alongside Dembele, plus Winks is going to be prominent next year too. Getting £40m for Dier would mean buying a better defender like Chambers, Keane or Murillo for at most half of that, then using the rest of the fee to strengthen further up the pitch, with the likes of Barkley or Zaha adding a better depth of quality.
Spurs are like Atletico and Dortmund, shrewdly developing, sacrificing and then replacing players, recycling the funds and strengthening the collective, and those two mentioned above have the best value/replacability ratio.
Yeah, no idea if there's any truth to it.
And also, I don't think it's greedy to turn down a bid, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to sell a player, even to United
He's not that good
Yeah, no idea if there's any truth to it.
And also, I don't think it's greedy to turn down a bid, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to sell a player, even to United
Levy needs to be careful, it's all well and good pricing his players out of the market in order to scare off interested parties, but he runs the risk of upsetting his own players in the process.
Well let's see who hands in a transfer request or demands a move, no point in presuming stuff with no real facts behind it. The players all looked pretty happy today.
He's dreaming of playing for us. United fan.
I've watched him more since we've been linked with him and I have to admit he's a lot better than I first thought. Would be a very good DM for us if we could get him. His passing is a lot better than I first thought too, always looking to be positive. Decent versatility too, although personally I'd keep him away from CB.
This is true, not sure why he gets stick for not being good enough in possession, he's got a great eye for a long pass. I also really like his character; he's a fighter, which we don't have enough of I feel.