We better stay far, far away from this guy
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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I'd be OK with signing him as long as it's a long-term strategy in convincing Alli to join
I feel like football deserves to see Pogba and Alli as a midfield pairing backed up by a defensive midfielder
So how much do you want for Pogba?
Why does he want out? This is only his first season at Spurs unless i am mistaken? Thought he should be happy playing there with his mates like Alli and Son
Spurs new stadium as our London training ground.So how much do you want for Pogba?
I've heard it's the best stadium ever.
Hmm, how about a direct swap deal with Sissoko?
You might get Pogba used condom for that, nothing more.
Cyprien has probably been better than Seri too. Those 2 midfielders of Nice, will be someone's bargain.
As tempting as Rooney with a cute red ribbon would be I'm not sure it's worth it. Good try though, I'm quite sure that's exactly what Woodward is doing this summer on all deals. 'We'll even throw in Rooney, no? Oh well, okay'.
On topic though. I don't see Dier leaving this summer.
So we can use it to "develop" a bunch of little Pogbas. Might be worth it in the long term.
I think it was his third mate.
I don't see your big stars like Kane or Ali leaving.
But Dier isnt one of those and United arent afraid to pay silly money.
2nd season playing for us I believe, but he was a Spurs player in the final half of the last season he played for MK Dons. Bought and loaned back in the winter window iirc.
We're talking about Dier. The post i quoted says he must be happy playing with Alli so definitely not about deli alli.
Hmm. I guess in theory anything has a price. But I don't think you'll be willing to pay anywhere near what might get Poch and Levy to consider. He is young and not likely to lose his value anytime soon either. And despite what many people might think he's an important player for us, both on and off the pitch.
Ah sorry! My bad.
It's all an elaborate plan from Dier to give Herrera the payback he promised and elbow him back during training.
Do not want Dier at all. We might aswell of kept Schneiderlin if we are genuinelly wanting to sign this guy. I still don't know what he actually does. Wanyama seems to do the dirty work. Eriksen is generally the creator and Dier's passing range is average.
So how much do you want for Pogba?
he would have to take a pay cut by about 66% or more to join you lotCallum Wilson wouldn't be a bad rotation option upfront if he could stay fit.
He's tailor made for the set up we required for big games this season behind Pogba and Herrera. A mobile, strong dm in the tackle with versatility to drop deep, anchor the midfield and create an in-game back 3, play all range of passes, be a bastard when needed and a good set piece option as a taker and on the receiving end of a high ball.
Still failing to see the validity in critiques of him or the dismissal of transfer links.
Still failing to see the validity in critiques of him or the dismissal of transfer links.
I kind of agree he is the right type of cm we need. At the same time for me he also fits into the profile of a lot of cm we have signed the last few years in being expensive and very very average. He is English which is an advantage and as you say fits the profile but I see him like I do Walker and Rose, an average player that has been superbly managed by Pochettino to get the very best out of him but is ridiculously over rated because he is English an in the premiership. When I hear some pundits and press talking about these players being amongst the very best in Europe I almost cringe. We did the very same type of transfer with Schneiderlin who I coulnt believe people got excited about he was never good enough to be a quality signing, Dier would be exactly the same in my eyes.
I would like Dier, and I think he'd be an asset in respect of the system we play, but I find the prospect of dealing with Daniel levy, no doubt for the entire length of the transfer window ( see Berbatov ), nothing short of execrable. Life is too fecking short!
Can't see this happening, why would he leave ? He would cost a bomb and he's not all that, the next/new Michael Carrick has to be just that, Carrick class or above.
Yes totally agree.
I don't think he's the type of player we need at all.
We essentially need someone to replace Carrick and Dier is far too one-dimensional to do that effectively.
It's all well and good saying he can anchor the midfield and "be a bastard" but that is significantly less important than what he contributes on the ball in that role imo.
I remember when we were being linked with Fellani, some people seemed to be obsessed with bringing "steel" into midfield, to the point where they were seemingly happy to overlook the fact that he was a very limited player. Steel without quality wasn't good enough then and it shouldn't be good enough now.
We essentially need someone to replace Carrick and Dier is far too one-dimensional to do that effectively.
It's all well and good saying he can anchor the midfield and "be a bastard" but that is significantly less important than what he contributes on the ball in that role imo.
I remember when we were being linked with Fellani, some people seemed to be obsessed with bringing "steel" into midfield, to the point where they were seemingly happy to overlook the fact that he was a very limited player. Steel without quality wasn't good enough then and it shouldn't be good enough now.
Either buy Wanyama or stop thinking the player next to Wanyama is the one we need.
Fellaini was best as a number 10 for Everton and is positionally and defensively suspect, Dier has been a defender or holding midfielder. Two complete different players.
And I strongly disagree that Dier is limited, but I'm not going to go into it, if that's what you see than fair enough. I've seen young Carrick for Spurs, and Dier at 23 isn't worse in any way imo, I agree that Dier is not Modric level, and probably never will be, but Carrick wasn't Scholes level either. I think Dier will reach and maintain a comparable level with Carrick personally and I don't want to lose him, and I don't think he'll leave.
Btw with the new stadium being built do Spurs need to raise funds through sales at all? Who do you expect to be sold?
I don't agree with that. With Pogba and Herrera in midfield we don't need another creative midfielder but a solid defensive midfielder to play behind those two and allow them more freedom going forward. I don't think we will see the best from Pogba unless he is given more freedom to express himself and that will only happen with a good DM helping out the defence.
How do you rate him at CB?
It isn't about creativity, it's about control. Neither Pogba nor Herrera have the capacity to control a game in the way even Carrick does, let alone other midfielders who were better again than Carrick in that regard.
Just placing an out and out DM behind Pogba wouldn't provide enough control or fluency to really give him freedom to express himself. The third part of a Herrera/Pogba/X should ideally provide more than just defensive discipline when the Herrera-Pogba double lacks more than just defensive discipline.
To my mind we ideally need a Xabi Alonso type midfielder who provides degrees of defensive discipline and on the ball control. Carrick provides similar qualities, which is why we have often looked much better with him in the team even when he was clearly past his best. Eric Dier is nothing like that sort of player.
Didn't Dier say he'd 'see Herrera out there' or something? Some bad blood between them iirc.
Agree. I wasn't really comparing them as players beyond the fact that a) both are seen as steely, aggressive players and b) I think both are limited (albeit to different degrees).
Though I would point out that before we signed him a lot of posters here did think Fellaini would be used as a DM as that was his best position. Even Fellaini himself claimed that was the role he was most suited to.
Honestly if you feel he can play the same role as Carrick you really need to look much closer at Dier. I think he's a good player yes but he will never be Carrick in terms of setting the tone of play, he isn't as comfortable on the ball as Carrick was and he is prone to the odd brain fart.
We don't need to sell players in order to fund the stadium - Levy has ring-fenced the two things separately away from each other.
I'm expecting Walker to be sold for a fat cheque (£50m), plus Sissoko too if we can get a decent offer, but I don't see any other departures. And I would expect all player sales proceeds to be made available to Poch for new signings if he wants to make them.
Totally agree Levy has constantly said the stadium will not effect transfer dealings. Over the last few seasons we have had a minimal net spent and I expect that to continue.
What Glaston said, Spurs is not in a position where we have to sell players. Although we are in a position without the freedom to spend as much due to the stadium which may lead to player sales somewhere down the line due to wages etc.
As a good CB for a 23 year old, he isn't Verthongen/Alderweireld quality yet, but he is young and improving and a real talent. CB is not the position where you usually dominate at a young age since experience usually improve you a lot.
Just a joke and said tongue in cheek. I guess just another example that footballers can't say anything without people taking it serious.
That surprises me, I never thought Fellaini has been good as anything besides as an attacking player. And I was surprised when Moyes bought him, and on top of that tried to use him as a midfield player, bizarre imo.
I meant in terms of quality, and not as the same exact player type. I agree that he isn't the same deep lying passer despite being tidy in possession.
Maybe he just meant that he will see him out there on the training pitch at Carrington.
Nah it's just harmless fun, a bit like when Keane said he'd see Vieira out there... just banter...