I think Toby and Bailly would make a formidable CB pair , our defense has been crying out for a VVD leader type for a long time now.
If someone like Koulibaly costs 80m, we should pay up.
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I think Toby and Bailly would make a formidable CB pair , our defense has been crying out for a VVD leader type for a long time now.
If someone like Koulibaly costs 80m, we should pay up.
I think it was, but either way, as soon as he jumps in with both feet off the ground he's giving the ref a decision to make.
Yeah the speed of the tackle made it look worse than what it was, he needs to learn how to relax he gets too overzealous at times.
Fully agree with all that.
Just so many people keep saying he has all the tools and attributes as if a football brain isn't the most important one. I agree his physical attributes are great, other than being terrible in the air. But the far more important attributes of being able to actually play football are severely lacking which his fans, not you in particular or you at all as you notice his weaknesses, seem to continuously gloss over sighting his pace and strength as if that is what is most important about a CB and the actual football part can just be learnt by anyone later on.
From the angle I saw on MOTD and the image below he didn't go in with both feet and studs weren't showing. Below is the only pic I could find.
Both feet left the floor and he did connect with both (with the follow through)
When your fly in completely off the ground, you give the ref a decision to make
Then it's madness to keep any young player. Look what happened to Tom Cleverley.
Is he talented? Yes. Then keep him. We've a perfect 6 month period to see what the whole squad can do now, with nothing to lose. So he's had some injuries and is immature? Every player ever.
Even if you argue the challenge wasn't a red, it was rash, and definitely a yellow, which should of been his second after that ridiculous high foot earlier on.
He wasn't bad today apart from that moment of madness.
Edit: I forgot about his penalty box karate kick
Edit: I forgot about his penalty box karate kick
Because on top of diving in with rash challenges like Bailly, he also gives the ball away with his reckless passing in his own half.
Con - Got sent off.
Pro - Possibly sacrificed himself to prevent Fellaini from wrecking Ole's beautiful football?
I do remember someone saying when signed him that 'Fans will love him, but he will have a couple of horrendous red cards'
Pro - Possibly sacrificed himself to prevent Fellaini from wrecking Ole's beautiful football?
I do remember someone saying when signed him that 'Fans will love him, but he will have a couple of horrendous red cards'
The one he got sent off for was a bit orange. The earlier high foot looked terrible, but was accidental. I suppose that could have been a peno, given the way dangerous/accidental is viewed these days
That high foot in the box was a nasty one. There was absolutely no need to follow through like that, and anyone with a brain would immediately withdraw the leg after making contact with the ball and clearing it.
The tackle that got him the red was reckless and completely unnecessary.
He either does these things on purpose, in which case he's a lunatic that can't be trusted, or he isn't smart enough to know that those type of challenges can easily get you sent off (because he should've learned by now). Either way he's a liability.
Personally I'm leaning towards him having a nasty streak. He seems unhinged at times, like he wants to inflict pain.
The tackle that got him the red was reckless and completely unnecessary.
He either does these things on purpose, in which case he's a lunatic that can't be trusted, or he isn't smart enough to know that those type of challenges can easily get you sent off (because he should've learned by now). Either way he's a liability.
Personally I'm leaning towards him having a nasty streak. He seems unhinged at times, like he wants to inflict pain.
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Being quick is not really important for defender ,Nesta , Maldini , Chiellini , Godin , Ferdinand wasn't as quick as Bailly yet Head and shoulders above. Being CB is about reading the game , cover space , know when to keep it tight or loose and sniffing danger. Pace is for wingers not defender. Bailly is all brawn no brain , he wasn't that good either before sending off , saw him out of position couple of times chasing shadow.
He's as reckless and injury prone as we approach 2019 as he was when we signed him in 2016.
His fitness record is terrible and to me he always seems to have a massive calamity in him. I have no confidence in him anymore. I think he makes whoever he plays next to panic as well, everything with Bailly is wild and out of control. He's also terrible at heading, which is a pretty big weakness for a centre back.
For me the negatives to him keeping piling up.
Tbf, the need to follow through is really just basic physics. Its impossible to withdraw your leg immediately after kicking a ball as that isn't how kicking a ball works, especially when you're mid-air with both feet off the ground when you're kicking it. And it all happens in less than a second. It's impossible for him to take his foot out of there. The issue is anyone with a brain wouldn't be using their foot to clear a ball over 5 feet in the air in a crowded box in the first place.
I'm sure he's done high kicks like that before in the area and got away without hitting anyone. It's only a matter of time before he does it again and connects with someone and gets punished by the ref.
He's doing that because he can't head the ball properly. A huge weakness for any centre back.
Got his chance, got sent off, when he could've already have been sent off.
Some will tell you he's our best defender.
Some will tell you he's our best defender.
He’s not that. Even so, I believe OGS’s comments after the game will have the desired effect, right then and there I thought, «teachable moment!». His style suits the way Ole wants to defend.
Seemed reckless today. Maybe he's nervous and is keen to impress? I think there's a good defender in there somewhere.
You seem to have misundestood me, intentionally or otherwise. If it’s a teachable moment it means, in a nutshell, that you can learn from it. If you did it well, or near enough, it wouldn’t be a teachable moment, would it?
Today? He’s always reckless. He’s permanently on the verge of either a heroic last ditch block, or a horrendous mistake. His main attributes are pace and bravery. But he’s awful in the air as for some reason he folds his body in half when he jumps, he has crap positional sense; and his decision making is very poor. He was good for about 3 months when he first came, and had been on a downward trajectory ever since. He’s a total liability currently.
Our defensive options are poor. Lindelof is looking good, but he needs a quality partner. Best bet currently is Jones. But we know he won’t stay fit for an extended period. Smalling can do a job on a basic defensive level, so is a solid squad option; but he’s also one of the least technically skilled center halves I’ve ever seen at a top club. Rojo, Bailly and Jones all need to be binned off in the summer - for various reasons - and a top quality partner for Lindelof brought in, along with a high potential rotational player. E.g. Alderweireld and Milenkovic. Tuanzebe can be promoted and take that 5th spot.
100% this. He follows the ball far too much, his positional sense is constantly suspect, and he’s flying in on headers at tackles all over the field, and missing half of them.
He's 24. Do you think now is the time in his career development for someone to tell him not to flying kick people in the shoulder or not to go flying in two footed, studs up?
He's a headless chicken.
He cleared the ball and made contact on the follow through. It’s pretty similar to the infamous Nani red card that had this forum in uproar. In the sequence that led to that he prevented Bournemouth from scoring a second.
That challenge for the red was bad decision making though, and still I though a red was harsh.
He is basically the Ivorian Sergio Ramos, without the headed goals.
Why exactly was harsh ?
He also made two dangerous tackles / overall defending when he caught the player on his shoulder with studs that high and a very agreasive clearance on the sideline, it was all piling up, you can't take two instances in isolation though.
Apart from his rash one on one tackles he was pretty good defensively. On set pieces though both of them are poor.
Beginning to lose faith in him now. He needs to get his act together in terms of removing this reckless element to his game and get a string of performances together. Not very happy tbh as generally speaking he was fine today outside of those mental moments.
Bailly is not good at passing.
This is Bailly’s 3rd season here. Most of us have seen enough.
Apart from giving away a penalty (we got away with that) and netting himself a red card you thought he was good against a side that posed little threat.
Bailly should be sold, he's not good enough. He lacks the composure needed to be a top defender in a top team. We can't afford that guaranteed mistake that leads to a goalscoring opportunity that he has in him.
He is 22 , he doesn't need to be sold, he needs to be developed. It's rojo and jones types that needs to be sold who can't keep fit for a longer duration and play without their mistakes.
What are you talking about? Ferdinand was absolutely lightning. His pace decline after 2009 when he started having those back issues.
He is 24.
He'll turn 25 in a few months and he's making criticial mistakes that should have been ironed out 5 years ago. In fact it's something our scouts should have picked up on and therefor never signed him in the first place. He won't change.
Also his injury record isn't great. He's missed 34 games in 2 and a half seasons. That's 5 games less than Jones in the same period.
Saved Lindelof at least twice from bad mistakes. Let's not forget that bit eh?
Lindelof is nowhere near aggressive enough for this league. Gets beaten far too easily.
Anyone not seeing it is delusional. 2 clean sheets all season and who is the new player in that backline? Lindelof.
The 'comparison' pictures in the tweet is obviously laughably idiotic. You could get a still frame of Kompany's tackle about 1 second later when he's on the ground already and claim it's all good too.
I agree with you about that, but thanks to his own stupidness no one will pay attention about Lindelof mistakes. Let’s hope Ole sees through it, but Bailly doesn’t help himself really.
I think he had a good game, until his last ten minutes. Seem a bit overly aggressive in some situations that really dont need aggression. Like when he clears the ball he does that with full power instead of an easy and controlled way.
Lindelof played more matches in the PL than Bailly last season.
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