Patrick08
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Nah, Rojo is far better than Bailly.
Never fit though.
Nah, Rojo is far better than Bailly.
I think we wont. But us getting out of the cup hurt him the most. Playing time was drasticslly cut down and he being in the worst form of all the defenders just fell through the pecking order. Especially after having to be the unlock one sacrificed to save the Newcastle game at home. Right now only the festive period and the return of the family cup can help give him extra mintues or perhaps quality for the next round of UCL after our next game. For unless the current starting defence produce a dramatic loss of form or a horror show defensively. JM is unlikely to risk dropping them bar injury till at least Dec.Yes I know, but he has played for 291 minutes this season. Thats only 3 matches, Smalling has played 14 matches, Lindelof 13 matches, and we are having one of the worst defense record since I can remember. Im not saying give him a definitive XI spot, but why not try? Like I said he has showned glympses of talent, just because a bad run of 3 matches we are going erase him for good?
I've started to notice this pattern too...
He is also 28 years old and if he is better that can´t be more than marginally. So Rojo should be the first out the door.Nah, Rojo is far better than Bailly.
The difference is that Mourinho has given Bailly quite a few runs in the side and it's then been Bailly's own fault (sometimes through injury, sometimes through poor form) that he dropped out. His performances this season may have been the last straw and Mourinho may or may not have any interest in him going forward, but Bailly can't complain he wasn't given the opportunities.I wouldn’t bet against him making a Martial style resurgence. For me he’s still our most talented defender even if Mourinho has a vendetta against him at the moment.
Leave what here?.. Honestly.. What was that video? This trend is genuinely starting to worry me. "Here is a 1 minute 40 video of some pretty routine stuff that happened on a football field.. WOW GUYS HOW GOOD IS HE!?"I'm just going to leave this here.
Take back?.... What place? He's played chunks of 5-10 games here and there but he's never been a nailed down first team starter. I am not really sure what he's taking back in this scenario? It certainly seems that he needs to take the chance if he breaks back into the team and if indeed he isn't injured.Bailly will take back his place during the festive period.
In his first EPL season he played 25 games. Im just saying I believe he can get back that formLeave what here?.. Honestly.. What was that video? This trend is genuinely starting to worry me. "Here is a 1 minute 40 video of some pretty routine stuff that happened on a football field.. WOW GUYS HOW GOOD IS HE!?"
Do people really judge players and football like this? Because it is starting to make a lot more sense with some of the toxicity on this forum. Sharing around some small snippets of good stuff that happened and then abusing people who want to talk about the flaws in a players game that are restricting them from making appearances in the first team. It kind of draws a paralell with the first team's mentality. "We just want the good stuff, when it is too hard oh well there is no consequences, managers fault I'm going home". Food for thought for sure.
Take back?.... What place? He's played chunks of 5-10 games here and there but he's never been a nailed down first team starter. I am not really sure what he's taking back in this scenario? It certainly seems that he needs to take the chance if he breaks back into the team and if indeed he isn't injured.
Brilliant post, mate.Leave what here?.. Honestly.. What was that video? This trend is genuinely starting to worry me. "Here is a 1 minute 40 video of some pretty routine stuff that happened on a football field.. WOW GUYS HOW GOOD IS HE!?"
Do people really judge players and football like this? Because it is starting to make a lot more sense with some of the toxicity on this forum. Sharing around some small snippets of good stuff that happened and then abusing people who want to talk about the flaws in a players game that are restricting them from making appearances in the first team. It kind of draws a paralell with the first team's mentality. "We just want the good stuff, when it is too hard oh well there is no consequences, managers fault I'm going home". Food for thought for sure.
Take back?.... What place? He's played chunks of 5-10 games here and there but he's never been a nailed down first team starter. I am not really sure what he's taking back in this scenario? It certainly seems that he needs to take the chance if he breaks back into the team and if indeed he isn't injured.
Leave what here?.. Honestly.. What was that video? This trend is genuinely starting to worry me. "Here is a 1 minute 40 video of some pretty routine stuff that happened on a football field.. WOW GUYS HOW GOOD IS HE!?"
Do people really judge players and football like this? Because it is starting to make a lot more sense with some of the toxicity on this forum. Sharing around some small snippets of good stuff that happened and then abusing people who want to talk about the flaws in a players game that are restricting them from making appearances in the first team. It kind of draws a paralell with the first team's mentality. "We just want the good stuff, when it is too hard oh well there is no consequences, managers fault I'm going home". Food for thought for sure.
Take back?.... What place? He's played chunks of 5-10 games here and there but he's never been a nailed down first team starter. I am not really sure what he's taking back in this scenario? It certainly seems that he needs to take the chance if he breaks back into the team and if indeed he isn't injured.
You seem rather melodramatic on the topic.Leave what here?.. Honestly.. What was that video? This trend is genuinely starting to worry me. "Here is a 1 minute 40 video of some pretty routine stuff that happened on a football field.. WOW GUYS HOW GOOD IS HE!?"
Do people really judge players and football like this? Because it is starting to make a lot more sense with some of the toxicity on this forum. Sharing around some small snippets of good stuff that happened and then abusing people who want to talk about the flaws in a players game that are restricting them from making appearances in the first team. It kind of draws a paralell with the first team's mentality. "We just want the good stuff, when it is too hard oh well there is no consequences, managers fault I'm going home". Food for thought for sure.
Take back?.... What place? He's played chunks of 5-10 games here and there but he's never been a nailed down first team starter. I am not really sure what he's taking back in this scenario? It certainly seems that he needs to take the chance if he breaks back into the team and if indeed he isn't injured.
They were. But even in his first season he had patches of atrocious form. That's the problem with Bailly - he's shown no consistency whatsoever.You seem rather melodramatic on the topic.
Bailey did in his first season look a rising centre back star. Some of his performances were truly excellent.
I think he was largely excellent for a good phase of that 1st season (3/4th, was it?) particularly for a 22/23 year old CB in his first season in England. Problem is that he never kicked on from them to the heights we felt he could based on that start. Inconsistent, injuries and downright poor spells have followed since. Obviously we could put faith in him and he could let us down. But I still feel that if I'm building a CB quartet for the future, he forms a part of it unless his attitude is an issue. Ability-wise he's got plenty going for him. It's the focus and confidence that he needs to get right.They were. But even in his first season he had patches of atrocious form. That's the problem with Bailly - he's shown no consistency whatsoever.
Could he come good and develop that consistency? Absolutely. But can we afford to go through those periods of terrible form where he's all over the place, in the hope (and that's all it would be) that he develops consistency? He could just as easily never change in that regard and we'll just be wasting our time.
Relax it was hardly routine the guy was out for 5 months and for your information here's what the caf made of his game.Leave what here?.. Honestly.. What was that video? This trend is genuinely starting to worry me. "Here is a 1 minute 40 video of some pretty routine stuff that happened on a football field.. WOW GUYS HOW GOOD IS HE!?"
Do people really judge players and football like this? Because it is starting to make a lot more sense with some of the toxicity on this forum. Sharing around some small snippets of good stuff that happened and then abusing people who want to talk about the flaws in a players game that are restricting them from making appearances in the first team. It kind of draws a paralell with the first team's mentality. "We just want the good stuff, when it is too hard oh well there is no consequences, managers fault I'm going home". Food for thought for sure.
In his first EPL season he played 25 games. Im just saying I believe he van get back that form
perhaps.Surely.. Mourinho's treatment is too harsh on young players making some mistakes. Bailly is the lastest victim after Shaw and Martial, also because Lindelof is gaining some kind of form.
I cant see Woodward sanctioning this sale.
And I don't see Mourinho getting a 100mil defender in Jan either.
Why wouldnt he? Seems likely that Woodward is more willing to push the boat out and sign a new CB (overpriced like our targets tend to be) if we're recouping a decent amount from a sale.
Bailly's form has been total garbage but he's young enough with some raw attributes that a smaller club would be happy to take a chance on him
He currently is not good enough when we play deep in our own box. But he should be the first defender in our team against someone like Vardy. On a good day he can bully those kinds of forwards
Rojo and Jones should be the ones to make way, not Bailly. He's the Martial of defensive Unit in my eyes. Selling Bailly not a smart move at all.
Yes I noticed you kept posting this in the other thread as well. He's made chunks of appearances that included an 8 game block of games and another 7 game block of games. Due to fitness and other wider squad issues has not really nailed down a first team spot, yet. I agree he can work to get into the first team and stay there but you're looking at a minimum of maybe a year as first choice playing most games whilst only being rotated for rest before you can claim that as a starter. Something pretty much only Smalling has done over the last five years.In his first EPL season he played 25 games. Im just saying I believe he can get back that form
I asked a pretty simple questionl, referring to a pretty menial wider contextual point. I think you're projecting your own insecurities onto this, maybe you're infatuated with two minute clips of footballers and this hits a little too close to home? Perhaps?You seem rather melodramatic on the topic.
Yes, pretending to quote a post from a user doing exactly that and pretending to read the other thread about Mourinho's vindictiveness which; Surprise surprise has a couple of youtube clips at the top just for good measure.Essentially nobody judges footballers the way you're pretending they do.
It does not.Pretty obvious what he'd be taking back. He was a first choice CB for most of the first season if my memory serves me well. However it's been a bit of a mess since then. Hopefully he does claim/reclaim that spot and perform well form hereon. It's a tad strange that this phrasing irritated you.
No.Do you have a strong dislike for this player? If so, why?
He is also 28 years old and if he is better that can´t be more than marginally. So Rojo should be the first out the door.
The guy wasn't played when fit.Injured again.
He's a wage thief. Get him off the books ASAP.
He's played plenty when he's been fit.The guy wasn't played when fit.
Let him find a club in January that will let him develop.