Put a fork in him... He's done here
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Pogue Mahone
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Was he so bad he got subbed that early? Bloody hell. Is that a record?
Ekeke
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He's an athlete. Not a thinker.
acnumber9
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He spreads panic to all around him. Nowhere near good enough for this club.
IAmAWinner
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Safe to say he will never play for Jose again, I think.
Art Vandelay
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When Mata started warming up there was little doubt it was going to be him, Young or Matic coming off. No one played particularly well, but the three of them were a shambles in the first half.Was he so bad he got subbed that early? Bloody hell. Is that a record?
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Was he so bad he got subbed that early? Bloody hell. Is that a record?
He wasn't subbed because of his performance, Mourinho needed to change the setup. Smalling and Bailly are too similar and we needed a ball player in defence, so McTominay was moved back. He turned out to be even worse so was hooked at half time and Matic went back.
Ekeke
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He wasn't subbed because of his performance, Mourinho needed to change the setup. Smalling and Bailly are too similar and we needed a ball player in defence, so McTominay was moved back. He turned out to be even worse so was hooked at half time and Matic went back.
Its funny how that coincided with a poor performance
Isotope
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Said it again, put him as DM in Gatusso mode (not really an anchor DM ala Makelele). He doesn't have positional sense, but otherwise very good with the ball, high energy, and good tackler.
Need to improve much much more if he still wants to stay.
royboy16
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Id love to know what Jose actually said to him when he subbed him?
Rossa
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Somewhat agree, but the way he lost the header for the second goal. He's terrible in the airI still rate him. Young and McTominay were the two main culprits in defence today.
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I haven't lost faith in him, but his reputation is built on the fact that he's aggressive in the tackle - which is great when you do it out of anticipation, however he mostly does it due to being out of position and needing to recover.
He needs more focus and to read the game better, then he can truly make the most of his physical ability and be a great defender.
He needs more focus and to read the game better, then he can truly make the most of his physical ability and be a great defender.
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I still believe in him - Matic and Young were at fault for both goals but they're Jose's guys so he kept them on.
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Mangala is a better player than Bailly.
kouroux
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Why ? Any positions need positional sense and in midfield, the same issues would be here. Maybe Man Utd is simply not the right club for him.Said it again, put him as DM in Gatusso mode (not really an anchor DM ala Makelele). He doesn't have positional sense, but otherwise very good with the ball, high energy, and good tackler.
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Id love to know what Jose actually said to him when he subbed him?
Probably just sorry but we need more attacking players on the pitch.
limerickcitykid
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No thanks. He also isn't very good with the ball for a CB let alone a midfielder. He'd be completely lost in midfield. If we want shit midfielders then just keep playing Fellaini who would be easily twice as good.Said it again, put him as DM in Gatusso mode (not really an anchor DM ala Makelele). He doesn't have positional sense, but otherwise very good with the ball, high energy, and good tackler.
Ekeke
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Why ? Any positions need positional sense and in midfield, the same issues would be here. Maybe Man Utd is simply not the right club for him.
Pretty much my thinking in regards to that post too. He's looking more and more like he might be a late developer in terms of the mental side of the game and might need a change of scenery to mature.
charlenefan
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Fair enough I haven't analysed his part in the goals today but was he culpable for any of them? I still think potentially he's the best CB at the club, yes he's rash at times but with the right partner he'd be a beast
I also don't get which he gets overlooked for McTominay for ball playing ability because he's actually one of the best ball playing CB's we have as well
I also don't get which he gets overlooked for McTominay for ball playing ability because he's actually one of the best ball playing CB's we have as well
kouroux
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It can be as simple as that indeed.Pretty much my thinking in regards to that post too. He's looking more and more like he might be a late developer in terms of the mental side of the game and might need a change of scenery to mature.
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He needs to be coached through games, and constantly told where to stand. There's probably a universe where he was signed by a team who have a proper leader at centre half who can hold his hand, but we don't have that and he's a liability without.
MadDogg
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Bailly was far more at fault that Matic. God only knows what he was doing for the first one, and it was one of the worst attempted headers I've ever seen which led to the second goal. He and Young took equal fault for both goals IMO.I still believe in him - Matic and Young were at fault for both goals but they're Jose's guys so he kept them on.
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Just imagine Lindelöf putting on this performance. He would have been slated beyond words. Bailly really lacks a football brain and his positioning is just bad, putting it mildly. And yes, he was partly to blame for both their goals.
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I think he has the right tools to be a Gatusso type. He's still young, and still can improve. I think his only downside is positional sense (and shite heading), just like young Jones and Smalling when we bought them (when Sir Alex played them as RB and DM).Why ? Any positions need positional sense and in midfield, the same issues would be here. Maybe Man Utd is simply not the right club for him.
kouroux
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Maybe, who knows ? Stranger things happened. I think in general you see DMs turning into CBs when they get older, you rarely see a CB becoming a CDM for long periods. There is a reason for thatI think he has the right tools to be a Gatusso type. He's still young, and still can improve.
Ekeke
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Maybe, who knows ? Stranger things happened. I think in general you see DMs turning into CBs when they get older, you rarely see a CB becoming a CDM for long periods. There is a reason for that
It did such great things for Phil Jones...
limerickcitykid
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Of course he is culpable. Other players being poor doesn't excuse him of being poor too.Fair enough I haven't analysed his part in the goals today but was he culpable for any of them? I still think potentially he's the best CB at the club, yes he's rash at times but with the right partner he'd be a beast
I also don't get which he gets overlooked for McTominay for ball playing ability because he's actually one of the best ball playing CB's we have as well
First one, he literally does nothing. That's absolutely shocking and I'd get chewed out for something like that at Sunday League let alone the highest level.
https://www.clippituser.tv/c/vxakdl
Second, no surprise he is beaten in the air yet again. He then stands there just watching Young get turned and manages to almost get his ankles broken on the turns too even though he wasn't even near Muto.
https://clips.clippit.tv/zkwlqw/720.mp4
kouroux
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And David Luiz too. It's not easy and his supposedly good quality on the ball, would be even more exposed in midfieldIt did such great things for Phil Jones...
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Its funny how that coincided with a poor performance
Maybe so, but it remains that he wasn't subbed for that reason.
MadDogg
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In your opinion.Maybe so, but it remains that he wasn't subbed for that reason.
In my opinion, he was subbed because he was largely at fault (along with Young) for both goals, and looked like he'd lost his head entirely. It then became a 'kill two birds with one stone' thing to sub off the incredibly poor defender who was causing chaos to his own defence with an attacker and change formation.
OnlyTwoDaSilvas
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I don't see him improving aerially as much as is necessary for him to ever be a top class CB. He is so poor in the air. You'd expect it to be one of the strongest assets of a centre back, certainly not his weakest.
His last ditch challenges are emphatic to watch, but there's more to defending than that. Though I'd still play him ahead of Jones and Lindelof.
His last ditch challenges are emphatic to watch, but there's more to defending than that. Though I'd still play him ahead of Jones and Lindelof.
Isotope
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Gattuso started as right back. Frank Rijkaard was a CB moving to DM. Pique was a CB but was put as DM on loan at Zaragoza. Bale was a LB before moving up as forward/LW.Maybe, who knows ? Stranger things happened. I think in general you see DMs turning into CBs when they get older, you rarely see a CB becoming a CDM for long periods. There is a reason for that
The positions are interchangeable, and young players positions are not set in stone of where they are the best.
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The second goal incident reminds me of how blind got blamed on in the match against City a couple of years ago. Jumped and somehow managed to miss the ball anyway.
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Rock bottom for him.
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It was a strange decision. Bailly had looked nervy without doing much wrong. Young had been badly at fault for both goals and it meant Scott had to be thrown into a situation he couldn't handle.
He wasn't subbed because of his performance, Mourinho needed to change the setup. Smalling and Bailly are too similar and we needed a ball player in defence, so McTominay was moved back. He turned out to be even worse so was hooked at half time and Matic went back.
This is exactly it. Which is why Jose was in Bailly's ear to explain why he had to sub him. I see no one is talking about Youngs performance in the first 15 mins then..... now THAT was a shocker.
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Truth is finally being seen about Bailly though. He's an athlete not a good defender. He needs a lot of work.
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