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Not everybody are big on collective shame.Disappointed sounds a bit tame, doesn't it? Shame or anger feel rather more appropriate to me. I feel a bit angry and that's without the personal connection to your club.
Not everybody are big on collective shame.Disappointed sounds a bit tame, doesn't it? Shame or anger feel rather more appropriate to me. I feel a bit angry and that's without the personal connection to your club.
Of course. I think it's appropriate though, to a degree. As it is to feel some level of pride when your club does something admirable. For example, if I was a Chelsea fan I'd feel pride about my club's role in the rise of women's football. Whilst I would feel shame at failures in dealing with racism, this being the latest example.Not everybody are big on collective shame.
Of course. I think it's appropriate though, to a degree. As it is to feel some level of pride when your club does something admirable. For example, if I was a Chelsea fan I'd feel pride about my club's role in the rise of women's football. Whilst I would feel shame at failures in dealing with racism, this being the latest example.
It is obviously hard to know how other clubs would deal with this. I know we'd all be a lot happier if the other players who sang it, and their clubs, found themselves in the same position as Enzo and Chelsea did.The sad reality is if you leave it up to the clubs to self police this kind of thing, I personally think most clubs would choose the easy route and not willingly handicap themselves, especially when it concerns one of the star players at the club, and hope that everyone has forgotten about this by the time the season starts, which is why we have governing bodies in place to rule on these matters.
It is obviously hard to know how other clubs would deal with this. I know we'd all be a lot happier if the other players who sang it, and their clubs, found themselves in the same position as Enzo and Chelsea did.
As others have said, I wish I had faith in FIFA here. What should obviously happen, in my eyes, is punishment both to Fernandez and to the Argentina national team as a whole and these should take a considerably stronger form than charitable donations.
At least in the mock 11’s I’ve been working on from watching training and preseason… I never have Enzo as a starter.
A bigger problem... Than being a racist?Enzo has a bigger problem: finding minutes.
That’s pretty close, but he’s better looking
I’m just curious, you NEVER actually answer points in my posts. You just make derogatory comments and move on.That's more telling of you than it is of Enzo.
Because talking to you is fecking exhausting. It really is the equivalent of talking to a brick wall. After a few posts one just has to realize there's absolutely nothing to be said that would change your mind so what's the point in discussing further?I’m just curious, you NEVER actually answer points in my posts. You just make derogatory comments and move on.
I find it highly ironic that you of all people would question anyone else's support of the club when you have yourself time and time again proven you are obviously more a supporter of the club owners rather than the club itself or any of it's players.So, if you are actually a Chelsea fan, I’ll ask:
Did you not find it interesting that Enzo was not substituted in to the position that he was supposed to be playing this year, and instead was tried in the forward 8 spot that will probably be occupied by Palmer?
Lavia was subbed off, the deep lying playmaker spot was open for him to get minutes, but instead Maresca wanted to see how he fared breaking in somewhere else.
So to recap… still didn’t answer, because it’s too taxing for you.Because talking to you is fecking exhausting. It really is the equivalent of talking to a brick wall. After a few posts one just has to realize there's absolutely nothing to be said that would change your mind so what's the point in discussing further?
I find it highly ironic that you of all people would question anyone else's support of the club when you have yourself time and time again proven you are obviously more a supporter of the club owners rather than the club itself or any of it's players.
I've no doubt you might even like the club/team but that still falls well short of your obvious love for Clearlake and the man crush on Boehly.
I don't know because I didn't fancy staying up till 4 am on a work day to watch the team take part in a glorified training session. My opinions are based on what I've seen from each of our players in the past and what I know them to bring to the table and I simply do not see a scenario where a possession-based coach like Maresca would not rate Enzo Fernandez incredibly highly.
Pre-season games are a time for experimenting new things and seeing what works, you really shouldn't read too much into what happens in those. Once the real games begin, Maresca will go with what he knows to be his best team and I would be really, really surprised if Enzo is not a part of that XI more often than not.
Still didn't answer to what? I have tried explaining to you as to why I think you're a fecking moron for not having a player of Enzo's quality on the ball in any of your 'mock lineups' but if you can't comprehend what you're reading, what's the point?So to recap… still didn’t answer, because it’s too taxing for you.
Well, yes. During the season I watch 100% of the games and juggle my schedule around the games if I have to. But I'm not getting sleep deprivated during the week for a fecking meaningless pre-season friendly. Does that make me a bad fan?Didn’t watch the game, because that’s too much trouble.
Now what gave you that idea? I know full well that Boehly's role has diminished quite a bit from when they first started out and never claimed otherwise, did I? I even mentioned Clearlake first you dimwit.Don’t know enough about our ownership to know that Eghbali is the overseer now, and Boehly is shifting to Strassbourg and helping to acquire new ventures
I DO believe Maresca rates him. But I disagree the choice in the friendly of where to play him is insignificant. This is the first time Enzo has suited up for him. You want him to come on, be familiar, be comfortable.My opinions are based on what I've seen from each of our players in the past and what I know them to bring to the table and I simply do not see a scenario where a possession-based coach like Maresca would not rate Enzo Fernandez incredibly highly.
Wow, 3 attacking of the poster and not the post. Thanks for that. I was busy answering your take on Enzo.Still didn't answer to what? I have tried explaining to you as to why I think you're a fecking moron for not having a player of Enzo's quality on the ball in any of your 'mock lineups' but if you can't comprehend what you're reading, what's the point?
Well, yes. During the season I watch 100% of the games and juggle my schedule around the games if I have to. But I'm not getting sleep deprivated during the week for a fecking meaningless pre-season friendly. Does that make me a bad fan?
Now what gave you that idea? I know full well that Boehly's role has diminished quite a bit from when they first started out and never claimed otherwise, did I? I even mentioned Clearlake first you dimwit.
Id be annoyed if the FA dont punish him severely. Cavani got punished for calling someone "my friend" ffs.... I know theyre stupid like that and only know english language but if they let this one slip itll be massively disappointing.
My suggestion is to relegate Chelsea if they keep Enzo because he is a danger to the beautiful game.
And yes, I do appreciate clear Lake. They are renowned the world over as one of the best sports leadership groups on the planet. Chelsea is actually a small brand compared to what they normally deal with, And they have sterling reputations as owners
Well for starters I'd wait a little bit more than 45 minutes of meaningless pre-season excellence against Club America before declaring Lavia as a starter. For me Lavia is the one who has it all to prove, whether we're talking about his quality as a player against PL level opposition or more importantly his questionable fitness record from the last year. So to put him ahead of Enzo in all of your 'mock lineups' is a bit weird to say the least.So I narrowed it down: if Lavia and Palmer start in midfield, who gets dropped for Enzo? I’m genuinely curious what you think.
Dude they own the LA Dodgers, and are close to full control of the Lakers. Boehly had dinner with Lebron before he went to work Mendes and Benfica for the Enzo deal.Care to elaborate because I'm under the impression Chelsea are pretty much the first large scale sports operation Clearlake Capital have taken part in so how exactly can they already be renowned as one of the best in the business at that? What other merits in sports ownership do they have other than the clown show we are now witnessing at Chelsea?
They certainly have their grubby, greedy little hands in tons of businesses in tons of different fields and I have no doubt some of those businesses in totally unrelated fields are much larger ventures than Chelsea FC but as far as I know elite level team sports has not been part of Eghbali' or Feliciano's portfolios prior to the takeover of Chelsea and subsequently Strasbourg. If I'm wrong, feel free to educate me.
And yes, I know full well some of the other minority owners like Boehly and Walter have a long history of team ownership in the American sports leagues but don't forget you just tried scolding me that it's Eghbali with the keys to the kingdom now (which is true and which I never disputed) so let's not move the goal posts just now. I'm dying to know what you can tell me what it is about Clearlake's sports expertise that according to you has made them the envy of the whole planet.
Well for starters I'd wait a little bit more than 45 minutes of meaningless pre-season excellence against Club America before declaring Lavia as a starter. For me Lavia is the one who has it all to prove, whether we're talking about his quality as a player against PL level opposition or more importantly his questionable fitness record from the last year. So to put him ahead of Enzo in all of your 'mock lineups' is a bit weird to say the least.
If Lavia indeed does prove to be excellent and also manages to keep himself fit, then I would just move Palmer back out wide where he played brilliantly last season. As of right now we have Madueke and Palmer as options at RW. Given these two options:
1. Madueke as RW, Palmer in midfield and Enzo on the bench
2. Palmer as RW, Enzo in midfield and Madueke on the bench
I would take option number two any day of the week. Madueke is a solid player but ultimately I don't think he's good enough to be a long term starter and for the upcoming season only really serves as a placeholder for Estevao and Paez to come in next year.
Dude they own the LA Dodgers, and are close to full control of the Lakers. Boehly had dinner with Lebron before he went to work Mendes and Benfica for the Enzo deal.
Why do you think they can walk into the South American market and already know most of the major agents and people of influence? The Dodgers practically control the talent pipeline system of South and Central America. Their control over the talent pool in baseball is impressive.
That’s why we can approach one of the most esteemed footballing figures in Brazil, the head scout of Corinthians, and have him switch to Chelsea; not because they just started their first sports enterprise.
But they DO specialize in long term total rebuilds. I think their first World Series title with the Dodgers came 5 years in?
They do have an excellent reputation among athletes as well. Players WANT to play for them.
If they were allowed to come in and just ask what the price was on the best player they could get at each position, they would. They paid nearly 340m for one pitcher. FFP and the direction it’s going in determines the landscape. And more and more squads will be trying to copy what we are doing in the future. They have to. Again, FFP. Moving a player older than 26 will be hard for anyone.
2. Now we are talking. So, those were literally the ones I was thinking about, and I also would have leaned to 2 at first … but Madueke is improving every day under Maresca, and he’s using his right foot more and more. He is, by statistics, one of the 3 most dangerous one on one dribblers in the league, and he’s been putting balls on a plate for players. We will struggle for width with option 1.
It is a good problem to have.
isn't people's main concern that Chelsea do not seem like a club that needed a long-term total rebuild?But they DO specialize in long term total rebuilds.
did Chelsea really need a long term total rebuild though? do most football clubs?
'They' meaning Clearlake or just Walters and Boehly, who you just said yourself has very little influence at Chelsea now that Eghbali is the head honcho?Dude they own the LA Dodgers, and are close to full control of the Lakers. Boehly had dinner with Lebron before he went to work Mendes and Benfica for the Enzo deal.
See, he cannot possibly be racist.
Money can buy anything
There's a gap between ignoring and just not taking part in PR social media posts smiling like best buddies. I couldn't care less about his apology or the "talk" they had.I'm sorry, but were his teammates supposed to ignore him forever? I think the governing bodies should suspend him, but I don't think we should get onto his teammates for just wanting to put it behind them and move on. Let's not be silly here.
Specially when you end up with arguably a weaker squad after spending all that money.No. It's what the owners wanted.
We were just 12 months removed from being European champions. Yeah we lost of a couple of players because of the UK government sanctions but beyond an initial spending spree to replenish the squad, what we needed was a gradual process, not spend 1 billion in the first 3 transfer windows.
The only players left from the squad that won the CL in 2021 is James and Chilwell. Every single notable player from that squad is gone. In 3 years we've signed 34 players (and we're not done yet this summer) and sold/released 30 players. That kind of monumental turnover was absolutely not needed.
No, Clearlake is an investor in what is now Blueco. Look, Boehly’s group is Eldridge. Wyss starts to get involved when you factor in the Guggenheim partners. Walters is an investor through the now created Blueco portfolio I believe.'They' meaning Clearlake or just Walters and Boehly, who you just said yourself has very little influence at Chelsea now that Eghbali is the head honcho?
I specifically asked what Clearlake's level of involvement in sports pre-Chelsea was and you failed to answer to that. You were very specific in your own words when you said appreciate Clearlake because they are "renowned the world over as one of the best sports leadership groups on the planet" and that is what I asked you to prove by giving any examples of Clearlake's sports know-how, not Boehly's or Walters'.
No, Clearlake is an investor in what is now Blueco. Look, Boehly’s group is Eldridge. Wyss starts to get involved when you factor in the Guggenheim partners. Walters is an investor through the now created Blueco portfolio I believe.
Eghbali wasn’t involved in their bid for the Dodgers with an independent entity, but he was specifically involved in their attempt at the Washington commanders. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have financial involvement in the Dodgers.
The Dodgers, by the way, staggered everyone months ago by spending a billion dollars in just 10 days. Sound familiar?
It is a large private equity firm. They arent shifting for performance reasons. They do it on a set schedule for financial reasons. I’m not even sure Blueco existed prior to Chelsea. But it is things like this that allow them to “loan” themselves 850m for the first instellment on stadium renovation.
If you were in the inner circle and had funds YOU could be part of Blueco.
This is splitting hairs. You aren’t going to be having some emperor sitting in a throne like with Roman. It is a collective following a formula they believe in. If you want to get on board, great. If not go buy an Arsenal scarf or something. The Kroenke’s are notoriously wonderful people.
Ah, so now I should just switch allegiances from the team I have supported for more than 25 years because the people who've owned it for just over two years turned out to be utter cnuts?If you want to get on board, great. If not go buy an Arsenal scarf or something. The Kroenke’s are notoriously wonderful people.