Not a whole lot of movement from the pitch. For some reason, the older ball was moving significantly in the air - wasnt even reverse. A lot of swing on otherwise a very dry pitch which looked more like it was in Mumbai than London. Expect turn.
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Not a whole lot of movement from the pitch. For some reason, the older ball was moving significantly in the air - wasnt even reverse. A lot of swing on otherwise a very dry pitch which looked more like it was in Mumbai than London. Expect turn.
Blaming ashwin for our series loss is very harsh. He was not great no doubt but we lost the match because of.our batters. I never understand why indian fans after every overseas loss start scapegoating pujara, rahane and ashwin. They are not the problem, we lost because our batsmen failed to bat.
Credit to Dukes. India's bowlers won't like the Kookaburra after using the Dukes.
That pitch was extremely difficult to bat on - in fact, this entire series has been dominated by pitches that feel like land mines. Ashwin was presented with a pitch he'd have encountered many a time back at home yet he managed 3 wickets in comparison to Alis 9. It was awful bowling and now you have Jadeja out bowling on a day 1 Oval pitch.
Yeah, our batsmen haven't been great but neither have the surfaces they've played on. When you look at the runs scored, our middle is in the top 5. So who do you blame when both sets of openers have failed? Their lower middle order can bat, ours has largely failed, albeit Pandyas got a few 30+ scores. Problem is their lower order can bat, ours can survive.
At 2-2 the narrative around this series would be completely different. We should have won the last test match, we were in a golden position even, even in the third innings when Root was run out. Our "golden" spinner cost us with some utterly bemusing bowling.
Our bowlers do love bowling in England. Zaheer, RP Singh, Sreesanth in 2007; Praveen in 2011; Bhuvi and Ishant in 2014 and these guys in 2018.
There is talk about having the Duke balls used in home test matches.
Credit to Ashwin for putting his point across on a forum like this , most cricketers can't take any criticism these days
Ali was exceptional in the second inngins but did you see the wickets he got in the first innings. Ok let us rewind, ali was doing nothing when we were batting and kohli/pujara were just scoring runs for fun then we lose kohli and rahane and then came ali, first pandya gifting him the wicket then pant and then ashwin himself. And then shami playing like he does not care. 4 wickets just like that. Then pujara and ishant started batting sensibly to hom and ali again became ineffective and then eventually got ishant. Fair play to him for getting a fiver but he was far from exceptional and should thank our lower order batsmen.
Now coming to ashwin, he started of really well in the second innings, I would even go on saying better than ali was to our top orders. He troubled cook, jennings, even root and then went on to beating butler and stokes on numerous occasion but to no success and as the match went on, kohli for some reason kept on bowling ashwin when he started to tire he became ineffective. But the constant thing on all this was their batters played him well especially root. No one gave him any free wickets like we did to ali. Fair play to ali for his second innings performance where he bowled exceptionally well.
Now coming to the moot point. Was ashwin disappointing? YES. He could have done better , should have done better.
But did we lose the series because of him? NO.
Was he pathetic ? Again No.
We lost the match because of our batsmen like even ganguly and gavaskar echoed. We also lost because of some strange captaincy by kohli. Why not give ashwin a rest or why kill the combo of jadeja-ashwin. Jadeja ashwin combo would have worked wonders ,.more than pandya or new boy kuldeep.
Yes agree completely.
I don't disagree with a lot of your points.
I won't agree with your thoughts on Ashwin. He was shit last match.
Does anyone have a link to see what cooks career average and stats were after that india 2012 tour? 23 hundreds in his first 6 years i believe is a record. 9 in the 6 since
Theres been a common pattern in the careers of quite a few of the English batsmen. Most seem to decline significantly after looking superb at their peaks. I might be off the mark but Cook, Bell, Pietersen and Trott all averaged around the 50 mark at their best, but fell away quite a bit by the end. In fact, I'm certain Trott was close to 60s at one point. Now, more recently, Joe Root seems to be following that pattern too.
M Ali looks distinctly uncomfortable playing the number 3 role. Completely goes contrary to his natural playing instinct. They'll make a mess of his batting.
Links won't work for some reason but i imagined the discrepancy would be a lot more, like 60 30
Could be down to the crazy amount of test cricket they play. 7-8 tests every summer and then two challenging away series' every winter. It's mentally draining.
Trott was the Cricketing equivalent of LvG. He tormented my mind and put me off watching Cricket whilst he was at the crease.
250 up for England, the run rate has picked up since Rashid’s wicket
Another lower order partnership yay.
50 for Buttler, could be a contender for Player of the Series
Whats the England? We're on top and could possible win? Well, here have some freebies and we'll let your 9, 10 and 11 get around 100 runs.
Him and Sam Curran have to be in with a shout.
Just the 2nd time this series England have made 300
Buttler, or one of the bowlers for England. Overall Virat wins the man of the series. Bowlers have dominated the series which makes Virat's performances phenomenal.
It’s where this series has been won and lost
England’s 7-11 have averaged 30
India’s 7-11 have averaged 11
Good catch to get rid of broad
332 all out.
I'll take that.
I'll take that.
Yes Broad 6/1
India bowled well, but the tactics were weird toward the end. Seemed there was no pressure on the batsmen at all. Buttler could get a single any time he wanted.
Surely it's time to move Buttler up a place or two in the order. It was right to start him at 7 but he's too good to stay there.
I'd move Stokes to 5 and Buttler to 6, dropping Barstow to 7 and allowing him to keep the gloves.
Surely it's time to move Buttler up a place or two in the order. It was right to start him at 7 but he's too good to stay there.
I'd move Stokes to 5 and Buttler to 6, dropping Barstow to 7 and allowing him to keep the gloves.
Horrible, just horrible. We deserve to lose this and the series 4-1 for our sheer stupidity across this tour.
Making this ordinary England side look great. The thing indian cricket always love to do.
Moeen bowling well, fancy he will be key if England are to win
Nah, we're brilliant at making average lower order batsmen and tailenders look like peak Bradman.
I don't know a fat lot about cricket but why wasn't that guy out after the review
Kohli has been brilliant this series but fecking hell has he had some luck or what?
India getting away with a few here.
That was always at least clipping the stumps so they wouldn't have lost the review. Not sure why they didn't go upstairs.
I don't know a fat lot about cricket but why wasn't that guy out after the review
Umpires call - when less than half the ball is hitting the stumps, the decision stays with whatever the umpire called.
You need a little luck when the ball is moving sideways.
Well he's certainly had plenty of that.
He'd still have made big runs anyway, I'm not saying anything against that.
I think the review system highlights a lot of these close calls more than what we're used. For example, that Kohli decision from the last match enraged so many; 10 years ago, it'd have been forgotten almost straight away.