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Oh no!
Ain’t over yet
I just don't see Broad having the same resilience.
Feck! That's it, then.
Labouchehaine does it again.
LBW review.
Sibley has probably earned his chance although there's been plenty picked at the top of the order based on county form over the last few years that have been found wanting horribly at test level. The likes of this Aussie attack will test you nearly every ball, it's a million miles away from facing generic 80mph bowlers on the county circuit.
Bairstow, Buttler and Roy are all technically and temprementally flawed at test level but there's not too many other options at present.
Foakes has hardly pressed his case - without a century all season and averaging under 30.
Looks out
feck it
Well done Aussies!! Deserved to retain the Ashes.
At least there was a fight today.
Well deserved. Been much better all series imo.
Maybe leech could give this third umpire his glasses.
All that effort from Stokes last game
England need to look at their top order
England need to look at their top order
Great test match!
Who was the last Australian captain to win in England?
First time ashes are retained in England since 2001.
Just in time for the nfl too.
Just in time for the nfl too.
Waugh.
Their entire batting line up sucks.
We've deserved to lose the series, I know technically it could end 2-2 but we aren't winning the ashes, we've been 2nd best for 90% of the series.
Roy Bairstow and Buttler have all been hopeless.
Root should resign as captain.
Roy Bairstow and Buttler have all been hopeless.
Root should resign as captain.
Now that the game is over, it's my final opportunity to say that I get the impression that Hazlewood is a serious asshole.
He is from country NSW so odds are he probably is.
Shame, but we've been outplayed throughout the series.
All credit to Australia. Brilliant bowling attack backing up an all-time great batsman at the peak of his powers. They have put a lot of thought into how they think they can win test matches in England and it shows.
England will rue letting a few opportunities slip but they need to get back to basics in red ball cricket and stop picking guys based off of skills they have shown in one day cricket.
England will rue letting a few opportunities slip but they need to get back to basics in red ball cricket and stop picking guys based off of skills they have shown in one day cricket.
Away teams continue to come to Old Trafford and get results 
Bairstow especially, he's been atrocious; Foakes has been robbed of his spot. Roy just isn't a Test batter. Root is still class but mentally a bit gone at the moment.
In any case, plenty of rebuilding ahead for England.
Losing Jimmy 20 minutes into the first test was a massive massive blow, he's still our most important player.
We also had to bat last 3/4 times and considering we can't bat that was always going to be difficult.
But there can be no real excuses, Smith is a machine and we don't know how to get him out. Their bowling was better than ours too.
We also had to bat last 3/4 times and considering we can't bat that was always going to be difficult.
But there can be no real excuses, Smith is a machine and we don't know how to get him out. Their bowling was better than ours too.
Better team won over all. England have got away with it for about 3 summers and it's finally caught up with them.
This is in no way to discredit smith’s awesome talent and run scoring ability, but we have to factor in the side he is playing in which is making him stand out even more.
The current batting lineup is so weak that he is always in need to bat well and he does that consistently. But, Put him in the 2001-2004 Aussie squad and he would be “just another Aussie batsman”, meaning, he may not have had to save their arses so much like he does every time now.
The current batting lineup is so weak that he is always in need to bat well and he does that consistently. But, Put him in the 2001-2004 Aussie squad and he would be “just another Aussie batsman”, meaning, he may not have had to save their arses so much like he does every time now.
Good summary. Despite all that we still had good chances to draw this test with the dropped catches etc.
Feels like some changes have to be made now.
Bairstow 100% has to be dropped.
His technique in test cricket is completely broken , he is constantly bowled with the odd LBW sprinkled in.
He'd be one the first I'd axe.
He's utterly untouchable though it's bizarre.
Reminds of Lingard.
This is something else.
Roy and Bairstow should not play the next test. Neither should Denly if England have any interest in long-term planning.
No excuses really. Aussies have been better. England batting technique for test match cricket is extremely flawed. I've already pointed out that we've not had an English batsman with a test average over 50 since Dexter and Barrington retired in 1968 and as one day cricket has become more prevalent we've just have got steadily worse. Consider the top 7 for England in the World Cup final against New Zealand: Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler and Woakes. Six of the top seven have been mainstays for England during this series. One day cricket and test cricket are just two different games. Consider the top 7 batsmen from the Australian team from our World Cup semi final. Warner, Finch, Smith, Handscomb, Carey, Stoinis, Maxwell. Only Smith and Warner played in both forms of the game. The Aussies realize that test cricket requires a different mindset and different skills. We just haven't figured it out. Hence the Aussies have kept the Ashes and most likely will win the series.
..........and Root is just not captain material. Very good player, but he seems to have almost zero motivational skills and extremely limited tactical nous.
..........and Root is just not captain material. Very good player, but he seems to have almost zero motivational skills and extremely limited tactical nous.
Australia vastly superior to England in this series. If we are honest, England didn’t deserve that last test win either.
Think the Aussies also wanted this more, and because England had so many recent World Cup winners in their team, it’s was simply impossible to find them to fine energy, motivation and form to gather momentum. It’s quite telling that non ODI players like Broad, Burns and Leach seemed to want it most.
Can’t see how England muster up the resilience in last test either, with Aussies chomping to win the series.
Going to take quite a long time to sort out this batting order issue which has been there for a few years.
Think the Aussies also wanted this more, and because England had so many recent World Cup winners in their team, it’s was simply impossible to find them to fine energy, motivation and form to gather momentum. It’s quite telling that non ODI players like Broad, Burns and Leach seemed to want it most.
Can’t see how England muster up the resilience in last test either, with Aussies chomping to win the series.
Going to take quite a long time to sort out this batting order issue which has been there for a few years.
No. Makes no sense. If anything, playing in a poor batting lineup only adds more pressure. He is constantly relied upon to bail them out. Forget the 01-04 Aus team - no batsman since Bradman can compare with Smith.
What’s making him stand out is his astonishing record against... well... everyone. I don’t agree with the argument that this is a poor bowling era - the elite South African and Indian bowlers, not to mention Broad and Anderson for England, will be regarded very highly when they retire.
You say you’re not discrediting Smith but that’s exactly what you’ve attempted to do, albeit with flawed logic.
He sucked against Bangladesh.