Think it's basically Prior saying Lyons feck up yesterday was cricketing karma.
He talked about wanting to end England careers a few years ago, and yesterday he may have made a career defining error.
Warne is such a massive hypocrite.
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Think it's basically Prior saying Lyons feck up yesterday was cricketing karma.
He talked about wanting to end England careers a few years ago, and yesterday he may have made a career defining error.
Warne is such a massive hypocrite.
He dropped the ball on De Villiers's head after running him out as well didn't he.
Just reading about that yeah.
See that's why I have no sympathy for Lyon. I agree his hard man thing is just an act and I don't think he really means it, but when you do and say cnuty things, and he's done both, and then something happens to him like yesterday. You can see why so many are gleeful about it.
I don't think we're talking short time frame here. Steve Smith is the best test batsman I've ever seen. Over the last 6 years he averages over 73 runs per dismissal and currently stands second to the great Don Bradman when you consider his test batting average as a whole (63.24). He might be a cheating bastard, but he is one talented cheating bastard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trista...est-cricket-batsman-in-70-years/#7de725d3ea99
Enough of this stupid tw@tter etc. Let the players do the talking on the pitch. What should England do at Old Trafford? The Ashes are far from over, I expect the Ozzies to come back fighting. I think England have got to make some changes in their top order or they’ll get screwed. Also think they have choose between Bairstow or Buttler. I’d play Stokes at 3. He’s shown over the past 2-3 years he can grind things out, he’s got the technique to deal with the new ball and he likes the ball coming on to the bat. But that means his workload as bowler needs to be managed. Finally, Ollie Pope & Sam Curran have looked the most solid of any of the new batsman that have been picked the past 2 years. So how about:
Burns
Denly
Stokes
Root
Pope
Bairstow
Curran
Archer
Broad
Leach
The Burnley Lara
Burns
Denly
Stokes
Root
Pope
Bairstow
Curran
Archer
Broad
Leach
The Burnley Lara
He’s certainly not the best I’ve ever seen (he’s hardly the most pleasing on the eye), but he’s certainly the most effective I’ve ever seen! Should be interesting to see how and if Archer has effected him, especially as Anderson has always got the better over him in England (but who hasn’t Anderson got the better of??).
He’s not really a cheating bastard.
Why drop woakes? Prior to this match he had a better batting AVERAGE than denlys top score this dummer and even now i bet his average is better. This was his poorest game but i still wouldn't drop him. I'd drop buttler or denly first, that way we have broa, woakes, anderson, archer and leach to bowl and stokes can just bat.
I think a lot of what Smith does in terms of fidgeting/moving around etc... is just part of his routine to keep himself focused. It may not be pretty but personally I think best and most effective are just two sides of the same coin.
I think we're splitting hairs here (and I've got to say I'm a huge fan of Steve Smith) but condoning cheating and cheating are pretty closely related.
Gives me an opportunity to post this. Ball of the century with commentary by the commentator of the century.
https://www.facebook.com/officialsh...that-ball-to-mike-gatting-g/1490913561015393/
The incident itself was a regrettable blight on the game, but there’s context worth keeping in mind: firstly, that it’s difficult to tell a mate/teammate not to do something, even if you disagree with it. It puts you in an awkward and difficult position. Secondly, he may not have explicitly known what it was that they were doing, but he chose not to dig further for fear of what he’d discover. These two points constitute a failure of leadership for sure, but I think it’s a little cruel to flatly label him a cheater.
Maybe I’m being overly biased as an Aussie, but even if we discount my version above, I still think it’s wrong to label a man a cheat for one isolated incident. He is otherwise of good character. Happy for you go to nuts on Warner, however...
Not at all. I think what you wrote is very fair. I was just disappointed when it happened because as I said I'm a huge fan of the guy. IMLTHO he really is the best test batsman I have ever seen and I've been watching cricket for over 50 years.
.....and Warner is an arse.
Thank you very much for posting this video. Brought back so much memories. As a teenager growing up at a tough time experiencing racial intolerance and strife - I was truly in awe of beefy. He was my hero.
I'm not sure I'd want to "mess with success" as far as Stokes is concerned. He has done extremely well in the middle order and to be honest I would leave him there and move everybody else around to fit rather than play around with his position in the order. Personally, I would move Jason Roy. I still think he is one of our better batsmen, he's just not an opener. He is way too aggressive against the new ball. I'd probably move him down to four and have Denly and Burns open. I hate Root at three but I don't trust our openers to stick around long enough so moving Roy down only one spot I don't think would make much difference. So against my better judgement I still have Root at three. I agree with you about making a choice over Buttler and Bairstow. I think Jos has been way out of form and for the moment I'd leave him out. As far as a replacement is concerned Ollie Pope is as good as anyone so I'd go along with that. I'd be tempted to actually leave Chris Woakes alone. He has not set the world on fire but prior to this last test he had taken seven wickets at an average of 25 and was averaging 35 with the bat in the first 2 tests. If Jimmy is fit then all bets are off and I'd obviously have to re-evaluate but if not I'd play the same bowlers as in the last test.
My team:
Burns
Denly
Root
Roy
Stokes
Pope
Bairstow
Woakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
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One of Johnson’s biggest problems throughout his career was that he was too soft. It took for him to grow a moustache and put on a cnut persona for him to briefly reach his potential.
Another plus point is that he doesn’t have a really grating voice like 90% of Aussie commentators.
The only thing that could have made Lyon’s drop better was if one of the English players had responded with a slow, nasal “noooooiiiiice Garry”.
Weasel of a man.
Weasel of a man.
The attack with Stokes is a better attack than one with Anderson though. Woakes is good but basically the budget Jimmy. Stoke’s spell in AUS’s second innings was just as crucial as his batting.
Denly’s average is poor and he looks dodgy as feck when he’s batting but at least he sticks around a while and England need someone who can bat near the top of the order. The stroke players in the middle order are essentially worthless if you can’t get someone to grind the new ball bowling down.
Don't think we should make more than a couple of changes personally. We won the match, after all.
As you say, Roy isn't really working out at the top of the order and Anderson has to come in for Woakes, even though it gives us a worryingly long tail.
Would hold off on Curran and Pope though. Wait until the end of the series to introduce them.
"Seeing Mitchell Johnson scare all the Poms was unbelievable," Lyon said. "Leading into Perth [in 2013] we knew that they were broken. We knew Matt Prior wanted to fly home before the game started and he was one of the senior players. He was scared. I was at leg slip and I nearly had to push a couple of the guys back towards the stumps. It was good fun."
"Root got dropped last time [in Sydney] when he was here, so it'd be good to get him dropped again, wouldn't it?" Lyon said. "There's a lot of scars for the English guys, especially coming over here, especially when we have two guys bowling 150km/h, not just one now. [Could we end some careers?] "I hope so. I didn’t end any careers. Mitchell Johnson ended them.”
Yeah I can't say I feel at all sorry for Lyon.
Other than Warner I couldn't have chosen anyone else to be the guy who made such a huge feck up right at the end.
"Root got dropped last time [in Sydney] when he was here, so it'd be good to get him dropped again, wouldn't it?" Lyon said. "There's a lot of scars for the English guys, especially coming over here, especially when we have two guys bowling 150km/h, not just one now. [Could we end some careers?] "I hope so. I didn’t end any careers. Mitchell Johnson ended them.”
Yeah I can't say I feel at all sorry for Lyon.
Other than Warner I couldn't have chosen anyone else to be the guy who made such a huge feck up right at the end.
To be fair, it’s just pre game trash talk. I don’t think anything he says can be taken literally. If an Englishman said it I’d think he’s a twat for all of 5 seconds before moving on.
Well yeah I agree, but tell that to Shane Warne, who again seems to be the one who thinks he can decide where the line is.
To be fair that just seems like an Australian trait.
Don’t be a prick. Why can everyone else be reasonable in this discussion but you can’t?
I was considering all three formats together, Smith hasn't been great in ODI and T20's, atleast to the level of Kohli, who I consider the best batsman overall right now (considering last few years, not few months).
If you want to talk for each format then Test: Smith, ODI: Kohli, T20: (Kohli, Babar, Sharma?)
Completely agree, nothing better than seeing those twits fall flat on their face. Loved it when Pakistan trashed them in the UAE, Misbah scoring the fastest test century
TouchéAre you saying you're in charge of where the line is in this discussion?
Smith is better than every player you’ve ever had ever.Completely agree, nothing better than seeing those twits fall flat on their face. Loved it when Pakistan trashed them in the UAE, Misbah scoring the fastest test century
Smith is better than every player you’ve ever had ever.
Is that supposed to trigger me?
I like Smith as a player and a guy though he is a cheat; I was shocked that he did that.Though I will argue that Imran Khan was better
I’ll be honest, it actually was supposed to trigger you, not my best admittedly but I’m sure you can indulge me that at least. I’m one of two Aussies on this thread... I’m fighting a losing battleIs that supposed to trigger me?
Though I will argue that Imran Khan was better
I’ll be honest, it actually was supposed to trigger you, not my best admittedly but I’m sure you can indulge me that at least. I’m one of two Aussies on this thread... I’m fighting a losing battle
Fitting.
I don’t think that landed
And to be fair, have been very objective and gracious in defeat.I’ll be honest, it actually was supposed to trigger you, not my best admittedly but I’m sure you can indulge me that at least. I’m one of two Aussies on this thread... I’m fighting a losing battle
At what point in that last test did you think you were going to lose? How did it feel when Lyon dropped the ball?
No Anderson?
I'd 'rest' Woakes. Hasn't seemed himself so far. Might also be required for final test.
I'd ask Denly to open.
I'd still keep Roy and bat at 4, Perhaps its sunken cost fallacy, but huge investment has been made into him, need to cash-in that experience he's now acquired.
Burns
Denly
Root
Roy
Stokes
Bairstow
Buttler
Archer
Leach
Broad
Anderson
Only problem for England is a long tail. Not sure how to solve that
It's a long tail and we need all the batting help we can get, but I've got a feeling Australia have worked Woakes out now, struggles against the short ball, so I'm not sure he'd be getting many runs from now on in the series anyway.
It's a big gamble brining Jimmy back in for Woakes, but if he's fit I think it's a risk worth taking.
Australia would rather face Woakes than Anderson that's for sure.
Anderson has got to play if fit probably at the expense of Woakes.