Fantastic century, don't throw it away from here!
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Livingstone is on one here! What an innings.
77 off the last 26. That’s pretty mad.
That was an impressive performance.
Bethell showed promise there, I thought.
Seems good against spin. Cox getting 3 tests in New Zealand is very odd on the evidence of his international career so far.
I think Cox is perhaps a little unsure about starting an innings in this format which is understandable given his lack of experience. He's not actually played a proper domestic match. 1 game for Kent against Pakistan over 5 years ago and 3 matches for the Lions when they toured Sri Lanka in February 2023 is his entire 50-over career before this series.
Looking at his T20 stats though there is a bit of a difference between his record in England and overseas so that's something he'll need to improve.
He seems an odd choice for short format cricket, starts very slow. That can translate ok in long format cricket but will never work in the shorter format.
This is embarrassing
Holy feck - just tuned in. What on earth has happened here!?
We didn't pick many good players.
Not picking enough specialise batsman. Cox scoring next to no runs is a bit of a concern if he is going to replace Smith when his wife gives birth for the tests matches vs NZ
Superb golfer though mate.
Some good hitting from Jofra. Rather more than expected in the end. Really rough figures for Rutherford.
Archer was always hyped as capable of being destructive with the bat but this feels like first decent innings I've ever seen from him.
Salt, Curran, Mousley, Overton also did well.
Cox and Jacks no scores all series. Bethell had one good score I think.
Salt, Curran, Mousley, Overton also did well.
Cox and Jacks no scores all series. Bethell had one good score I think.
Fair score following the shambolic start. Always think the team batting second will take heart from the tail wagging though.
Dreadful ODI series from an English perspective. The side selected again (like in the SL series) smacked of arrogance with no depth to the batting whatsoever. You can't pick an international side based on hunches and guesses, the players need to earn the right to be selected.
There are still experienced players around who could be playing and scoring runs.
There are still experienced players around who could be playing and scoring runs.
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Pointless One Day Series was pointless.
I know England had a golden ODI era but the fall off in the last couple of years is pretty dramatic. Haven't really recovered from Morgan stepping down.
The players don’t seem to know how to play a ODI. Some of them have barely played any games in this format. It’s more nuanced than playing like it’s a T20 x 2.5. The only time the counties play 50 over cricket is during the 100 so for most teams it’s a reserve / youth format.
Alzarri Joseph just deciding to leave the field is one of the stranger things I've seen. If that was an England player I'm not sure I'd be wanting them to bother coming back to be honest.
The batting has rightly had a lot of focus recently but when you have Buttler, Root, Stokes, Brook, Duckett, Smith back in the squad it's not such a concern. Bowling line-up is still more of an issue for me, there's a lot of 'okay' seamers who have the odd good game but not enough quality there to consistently perform. There's not really a group of 3 or 4 you can put together and say, yeah there's a genuine threat with the new ball, a wicket-taker in the middle overs and at least one who's good at the death.
The batting has rightly had a lot of focus recently but when you have Buttler, Root, Stokes, Brook, Duckett, Smith back in the squad it's not such a concern. Bowling line-up is still more of an issue for me, there's a lot of 'okay' seamers who have the odd good game but not enough quality there to consistently perform. There's not really a group of 3 or 4 you can put together and say, yeah there's a genuine threat with the new ball, a wicket-taker in the middle overs and at least one who's good at the death.
Does feel like we've gone right back to being the traditionally shite white ball side that we usually are since Morgan stepped down.
We did win a World T20 under Buttler it should be remembered but that feels a bit like the Utd FA Cup win last season. A brilliant moment in an otherwise terrible period.
It's slightly farcical we have just had a full series where drawing any real conclusions from it are a waste of time.
Half that squad wont play for us again, and it's not sour grapes to deduce England went into that series as a management group not actually caring what the result was.
Half that squad wont play for us again, and it's not sour grapes to deduce England went into that series as a management group not actually caring what the result was.
I know you are poking fun but the red ball revolution is easily the second best period i've had watching England since the early 90s. The bare results aren't outstanding on paper, but the Cricket has been at times - Key deserves credit for that.
I'm not hugely worried about the white ball team underperforming yet. The test players aren't involved. Several of them would make the strongest XI, but their absence allows some younger players to get games. England could have kept picking Malan, Roy, Bairstow, Willey, Jordan etc and might have had better results this year. Other than increasing the win rate, that doesn't achieve much in terms of preparing for upcoming tournaments. Australia are usually a pretty average white ball side, and then at tournaments they have their strongest XI and grind out results.
The next ODI WC is miles away but it's the ICC trophy in a few months. Team selection will be interesting. I presume England will stick to their guns and won't go back to the older guys who have been dropped, but will pick a mix of the young players and some of the test players. Of the test players, I think Root would make the biggest impact if he's willing/allowed to play. Buttler if fit also makes a huge difference, although his form since captaincy has been bad. I think I heard that he will give up keeping from now on which is probably for the best.
The biggest worry is that loads of these players have little to no experience of playing 50 overs because the domestic comp clashes with the hundred. That is surely not sustainable and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
The next ODI WC is miles away but it's the ICC trophy in a few months. Team selection will be interesting. I presume England will stick to their guns and won't go back to the older guys who have been dropped, but will pick a mix of the young players and some of the test players. Of the test players, I think Root would make the biggest impact if he's willing/allowed to play. Buttler if fit also makes a huge difference, although his form since captaincy has been bad. I think I heard that he will give up keeping from now on which is probably for the best.
The biggest worry is that loads of these players have little to no experience of playing 50 overs because the domestic comp clashes with the hundred. That is surely not sustainable and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
I am poking fun but I think it's good of England to pick administrators who want to modernize the game. Ed Smith did some Moneyball stuff and Rob Key's been brave in his picks.
Ben Duckett is hyperbolic, but some more recent results like how India played against Bangladesh happened because England caused a shift in attitude in what is possible.
At the same time, while I think England produced dramatically more entertainment, they roughly have the same output in winning games. I think it didn't change your results much because tactically they seem kind of stupid. They are really committed to the bit as opposed to being thoughtful in choosing their moments. Became too cultish
Phil Salt is flying, 53 off 25
Very nicely player Bethell for his 50
100 for Salt
Is that who I think it is down the bottom
Buttler has been brutal tonight
Bethell could be one of those gun fielders that can produce some magic when things are quiet.
He had one stump there.
He had one stump there.
Windies all over the shop
Bethell has been the find for England in limited over games.
Fancy Bethell will get a nice IPL contract next week
219 is looking around 50 short