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'interesting' batting line up kills what should have been a good close game. Overton and Jofra in at 6 down good god.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Maggie Thatcher etc, your women took a hell of a beating!!

Not really. Pretty cool though. There’s a girl in my son’s class at school who played in this. Aged 15. Fair feck’s to her.
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Looks like a hell of a knock from the Irish captain there, who's only 23 herself. And the girl who got the 5 wickets is just 18. Could go on to good things if they can keep these players together.
 
TheGame said:
I have no words for it, truly don’t. Looking forward to 10 bowlers at least bowling an over each in the next match.
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Not like Overton could even bowl. In as a specialist number 7

Australia are a notch above England in the white ball right now
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Really interested to see how McCullum approaches reworking the white ball side.

Logjam of openers, batting-wicket keepers and all rounders who just don’t really excel at one thing or the other.

Need to find that right balance in the middle order and find a consistent 2nd spinner to support and replace Rashid.

I do find it strange that Duckett doesn’t get more of a go in the shorter formats.
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The fact that Duckett was not considered is frankly ridiculous. The Aussies obviously think he can play in this format since he was the number 1 overall pick in the BBL draft for this coming season.
 
Fair play to Tom Banton can't walk as his twisted his ankle yesterday, but came in at 11 and is 39 NO
 
Brook, Duckett and Smith aren’t in the squad because of the test prior. In more normal circumstances I’d go like this for T20s

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Buttler (c)
Duckett
Brook
Smith (wk)
Jacks/Bethell/Livingstone (spinning all rounder slot)
J.Overton/Carse/Atkinson at a push (quick bowling all rounder slot)
Wood
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood/Topley

I’d be fairly confident in the skill level of the top 5 and from Smith’s short test career he looks like he has the range to be invested in as a finisher, the lower middle order and bowling are the concerning areas. It’s hard to get that balance of new ball bowling, death bowling and high quality spin. As great as Rashid is England do need to be blooding Ahmed more in this format. Only one of S.Curran and Livingstone should be near the squad.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Brook, Duckett and Smith aren’t in the squad because of the test prior. In more normal circumstances I’d go like this for T20s

Salt
Buttler (c)
Duckett
Brook
Smith (wk)
Jacks/Bethell/Livingstone (spinning all rounder slot)
J.Overton/Carse/Atkinson at a push (quick bowling all rounder slot)
Wood
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood/Topley

I’d be fairly confident in the skill level of the top 5 and from Smith’s short test career he looks like he has the range to be invested in as a finisher, the lower middle order and bowling are the concerning areas. It’s hard to get that balance of new ball bowling, death bowling and high quality spin. As great as Rashid is England do need to be blooding Ahmed more in this format. Only one of S.Curran and Livingstone should be near the squad.
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Why? You've got a spinning all rounder and seam all rounder slot in your team, why not go for them both? Atkinson is very good but he would have Wood's place at the moment and then you've a stronger batting lineup too.
 
And for ODIs

Duckett
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Root
Brook
Smith (really I want another left hander here but where are they? - I’m retiring Stokes from short formats even if he won’t)
Buttler
Bethell/Jacks/Rehan Ahmed/J.Overton (pitch specific all rounder)
Atkinson
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood
 
TwoSheds said:
Why? You've got a spinning all rounder and seam all rounder slot in your team, why not go for them both? Atkinson is very good but he would have Wood's place at the moment and then you've a stronger batting lineup too.
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Curran’s not international class for me. Neither is Livingstone but Livingstone’s spin bowling is as good a second option we have to Rashid at the moment. It’s time to look at other options and personally I’d in invest in Jacks over Livingstone, even if Jacks hasn’t shown much in an England shirt yet either.
 
Long term Sam Curran’s best bet is his batting because there’s a complete dearth of left hand batters in the shorter formats. In terms of his bowling, he’s too easy to get after and he’s only really excelled when there were huge square boundaries in Australia.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Brook, Duckett and Smith aren’t in the squad because of the test prior. In more normal circumstances I’d go like this for T20s

Salt
Buttler (c)
Duckett
Brook
Smith (wk)
Jacks/Bethell/Livingstone (spinning all rounder slot)
J.Overton/Carse/Atkinson at a push (quick bowling all rounder slot)
Wood
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood/Topley

I’d be fairly confident in the skill level of the top 5 and from Smith’s short test career he looks like he has the range to be invested in as a finisher, the lower middle order and bowling are the concerning areas. It’s hard to get that balance of new ball bowling, death bowling and high quality spin. As great as Rashid is England do need to be blooding Ahmed more in this format. Only one of S.Curran and Livingstone should be near the squad.
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There is no way Overton/Carse or Atkinson should be batting that high, that is just an extremely long tail. You would need Livingstone in there for batting and probably Curran at 7 then bowlers below that. I can't see Wood being an option now with his injury so probably need to look at other options. Still think Paul Walter needs to be considered, sold all rounder and has been playing in franchises. Decent in the county championship this season as well.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
And for ODIs

Duckett
Salt
Root
Brook
Smith (really I want another left hander here but where are they? - I’m retiring Stokes from short formats even if he won’t)
Buttler
Bethell/Jacks/Rehan Ahmed/J.Overton (pitch specific all rounder)
Atkinson
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood
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England need to try to get Sam Hain in the ODI team, been decent in that format for a while and averages over 50 at County OD level.
 
TheGame said:
There is no way Overton/Carse or Atkinson should be batting that high, that is just an extremely long tail. You would need Livingstone in there for batting and probably Curran at 7 then bowlers below that. I can't see Wood being an option now with his injury so probably need to look at other options.
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Curran averages 13 in T20Is, he’s wasted too low down but not really good enough to bat top 4 I think. Duckett’s a better option.

I agree the batting is one spot short but the lower middle order requires specialism that England need to develop essentially. They have no finishers. Perhaps a better split is a batting all rounder at 6 and a bowling all rounder at 7 or just another bat at 6 and a all rounder at 7. Livingstone should be a prime candidate as a finisher considering he’s gun against pace so he should thrive against death bowling but he’s just not really developed his skill at this level so far, too hot and cold.

Atkinson can take Wood’s spot pretty comfortably.
 
TheGame said:
England need to try to get Sam Hain in the ODI team, been decent in that format for a while and averages over 50 at County OD level.
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SR of 87 and his age probably count against him. Root’s your anchor, everyone else goes hard, Buttler is the flexibility who can go hard or play the situation in a more appropriate manner.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Curran averages 13 in T20Is, he’s wasted too low down but not really good enough to bat top 4 I think. Duckett’s a better option.

I agree the batting is one spot short but the lower middle order requires specialism that England need to develop essentially. They have no finishers. Perhaps a better split is a batting all rounder at 6 and a bowling all rounder at 7 or just another bat at 6 and a all rounder at 7. Livingstone should be a prime candidate as a finisher considering he’s gun against pace so he should thrive against death bowling but he’s just not really developed his skill at this level so far, too hot and cold.

Atkinson can take Wood’s spot pretty comfortably.
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Yeah that 6/7 positions are going to be important. Batting depth is important especially during tournaments. It will take a while to find the right players for this positions.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Curran averages 13 in T20Is, he’s wasted too low down but not really good enough to bat top 4 I think. Duckett’s a better option.

I agree the batting is one spot short but the lower middle order requires specialism that England need to develop essentially. They have no finishers. Perhaps a better split is a batting all rounder at 6 and a bowling all rounder at 7 or just another bat at 6 and a all rounder at 7. Livingstone should be a prime candidate as a finisher considering he’s gun against pace so he should thrive against death bowling but he’s just not really developed his skill at this level so far, too hot and cold.

Atkinson can take Wood’s spot pretty comfortably.
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I can see Brook and Duckett coming into the side, neither are playing the T20s due to literally just finishing the test series.

It's weird but I agree that Curran's best bet is as a batter who bowls the odd over (bit like Stokes at the World Cup in Aus) and Livingstone if he could do it as a all-rounder at 7. They seem like they want Overton for that role though.
 
charlton66 said:
The fact that Duckett was not considered is frankly ridiculous. The Aussies obviously think he can play in this format since he was the number 1 overall pick in the BBL draft for this coming season.
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I think they just don’t want him to bother with another test series so close on the horizon. Same goes for Brook who can definitely come into the team above Livingstone.
 
The batting is clearly weak for this series but it's basically down to the schedule so not a long-term concern whereas yet again the bowling in the first 6 overs left them chasing the game. Rashid and Livingstone managed to drag them back into it yesterday but that won't happen every time. They desperately need someone who is both economical and a wicket taking threat.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
The batting is clearly weak for this series but it's basically down to the schedule so not a long-term concern whereas yet again the bowling in the first 6 overs left them chasing the game. Rashid and Livingstone managed to drag them back into it yesterday but that won't happen every time. They desperately need someone who is both economical and a wicket taking threat.
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Agreed on the batting.

In theory Archer and Topley is a good opening pair, with Atkinson behind that. Not loads of strength in depth though as i share the Curran skepticism and not keen on Carse, Wood etc.
 
Archie Vaughan going well against Surrey at the minute. Opening batter too it seems, lot of potential there by the looks of it.
 
As a casual cricket watcher. I was thinking, surely there is no need for a night watchman in 20 overs cricket when I saw how high some of the bowlers were batting
 
TwoSheds said:
Archie Vaughan going well against Surrey at the minute. Opening batter too it seems, lot of potential there by the looks of it.
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Yeah, good chance of 10 in the match. I didn't even know he bowled before this, I'd only heard of his batting.
 
DOTA said:
Yeah, good chance of 10 in the match. I didn't even know he bowled before this, I'd only heard of his batting.
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Been a good few months for England U19s. Probably the only benefit of the scheduling of the one day cup is it gives great opportunities to young players.Ben McKinney, Farhan Ahmed, Rocky Flintoff, Archie Vaughan and Harry Moore are all ones to keep a close eye on going forward.
 
TheGame said:
Matty Potts just got 9-68 against Lancashire. Great bowling.
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I think Broad did a third man on him during the first test vs Sri Lanka, talking about his technique and bowling around the wicket to left handers. Looks like being in the England team has helped him work on those things.

 
paulscholes18 said:
Somerset have won, great finish, Surrey must regret not trying to win the game.
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Classic case of out smarting yourself. Letting spinners just settle and bowl ball after ball with no intent to score is asking for trouble and they got it. Going at 3 an over was hardly asking for serious risks either.
 
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