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I only heard today that there’s no tests in Leeds or Manchester in The Ashes 2027. What kind of bullshit is that.
 
Dan_F said:
I only heard today that there’s no tests in Leeds or Manchester in The Ashes 2027. What kind of bullshit is that.
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What? That is mental if so. They feel like grounds that really favour England, compared to the likes of Lords (which I know we have to play at every time, it just doesn’t work to our advantage).
 
Travis Head, Mitch Marsh, Mitch Starc and Pat Cummins can hold their heads high for their performances. Australia losing 6-23 after being 240-4 has proven very costly. Allowing England to finish 25 behind instead of 75 behind didn't help too.

Credit to Brook for playing what was a largely sensible innings and to Woakes for showing his ability with the bat to get his team home after doing well with the ball.

The fate of the Ashes being undecided with two tests to play is no bad thing. Australia should still be good enough to win the series from here.
 
Think Bairstow needs to be taken out for his own good here, he’s a meme at this point. Send him back to county cricket to bat and get some fitness, he looks terrible physically and I don’t think it’s helping him.

The whole team also need to spend the next two weeks focusing on the basics; mainly fielding but also playing the situation and not a pre-ordained tactic. I have no problem if their overall tactic is bazball, but at times they need to relax for a few overs and just calm things down.

Other than that another 50/50 test has finally gone our way, we’re close to the Aussies if we just get out of our own way. Wrap Woods, Stokes in cotton wool and get the test catching and in the nets.
 
Woakes pretty much saved us in this game with bat and ball. Really tidy cricketer in English conditions.

Ultimately we get over the line and that's the main thing to keep this series alive.
 
The Corinthian said:
Cummins got his tactics wrong today. England made it hard work but 250 to win with two days batting with these conditions, they were always favourites. Bringing Woakes and Wood in was a great decision.

England should be counting their lucky stars that the conditions were so vastly different yesterday at the one time the Aussies were batting.

That 2-3 hours of play yesterday determined the tie.
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Overhead conditions can be deceptive.

The ball was actually swinging more prodigiously today when the sun came out.
 
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DOTA said:
What's the deal with the stand in not bowling? Did he have an injury or did Cummins just not rate him at all?
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He was getting smashed. Short boundary for the right handers and not enough runs in the game to be effective.
 
groovyalbert said:
He was getting smashed. Short boundary for the right handers and not enough runs in the game to be effective.
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If two overs going for 13 runs is getting smashed then I imagine most of the Aussie bowlers got smashed at some point. If you've got a short boundary you wanna protect, bowl him the other end.
 
Anyway, nice to have our name on the board and make the big old cheats sweat on it. Being perpetually at the mercy of the weather sucks but we can only do what's possible and we've done that here.
 
Dan_F said:
I only heard today that there’s no tests in Leeds or Manchester in The Ashes 2027. What kind of bullshit is that.
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Need to bin off Lords, the members are idiots and England never win an Ashes test there anyway.
 
Back up bowlers for Australia were poor while Woakes, Wood, and Broad all had good games. Boland kept drifting down leg side and giving away cheap runs. Seemed like he was bowling a bit quicker than when he was taking wickets in the Ashes down under and losing control as a result. Maybe he was feeling the pressure to take wickets but his job in the side is to keep a disciplined line and length and not give any freebies.
 
Australia would have won the Ashes here if they had kept their focus after Lords. They got too involved with the Bairstow stuff & lost their mind. Poor stuff
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Need to bin off Lords, the members are idiots and England never win an Ashes test there anyway.
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Obviously never going to happen with Lords, but I’m surprised by not keeping one of Headingley or Old Trafford. Our record must be better there than other grounds.

If they were determined to have one in Southampton, they shouldn't have done Trent Bridge. It’s so much smaller and they have edgbaston fairly close.
 
Dan_F said:
Obviously never going to happen with Lords, but I’m surprised by not keeping one of Headingley or Old Trafford. Our record must be better there than other grounds.

If they were determined to have one in Southampton, they shouldn't have done Trent Bridge. It’s so much smaller and they have edgbaston fairly close.
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Trent bridge missed out this time and is deserving of one for me.
 
Trent Bridge is a good ground so fine with that. Bit disappointed with Ageas being chosen, and would drop the Oval or Edgbaston in exchange (ideally former) so that you can still have a northern test.

I say that as someone London based, but Headingley and OT have brilliant atmosphere and it must be better for the team having that kind of crowd behind them.
 
DOTA said:
Which grounds wouldn't you miss?
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I just think it needs a bit more care and attention with rotation and geographically.

Should never be a situation like next time with nothing up north.

Oval and Lords should both also occasionally miss out in cycles.
 
Just got home, what a day. Never felt comfortable until Carey decided to try and take a catch that Boland should have been all over...

Moronic there's no test at Headingley in 4 Years... It provides the best tests.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Just got home, what a day. Never felt comfortable until Carey decided to try and take a catch that Boland should have been all over...

Moronic there's no test at Headingley in 4 Years... It provides the best tests.
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Headingley is great but then again it is in Leeds so feck em.
 
The Oval is better than it used to be. Generally serves up results now. Used to be a boring wicket.

Truth is they're all results wickets with England playing. Would be nice to retain grounds with atmosphere and passion.
 
Agent Red said:
Trent Bridge is a good ground so fine with that. Bit disappointed with Ageas being chosen, and would drop the Oval or Edgbaston in exchange (ideally former) so that you can still have a northern test.

I say that as someone London based, but Headingley and OT have brilliant atmosphere and it must be better for the team having that kind of crowd behind them.
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Ageas is a crap ground. Went there for the WTC final in 2021 and I didn’t like it at all.
 
DOTA said:
If two overs going for 13 runs is getting smashed then I imagine most of the Aussie bowlers got smashed at some point. If you've got a short boundary you wanna protect, bowl him the other end.
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Figures a bit deceiving - he wasn't really asking any questions and the foot holes simply weren't there for the right hand bats that ended up playing the roles they did for England.

Also, there aren't many teams who would opt for spin as a means of getting Brooks out.
 
groovyalbert said:
Figures a bit deceiving - he wasn't really asking any questions and the foot holes simply weren't there for the right hand bats that ended up playing the roles they did for England.

Also, there aren't many teams who would opt for spin as a means of getting Brooks out.
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Brook got out to Lyon twice in the first test. England have been falling over themselves all series getting out trying to dominate spin. Cummins had to get Murphy into the game far earlier, not just for this test but for the series. He got one over before lunch and one over with 30 runs left to get, that’s not good for his confidence at all.

Mark Taylor was talking about getting Murphy into the game with 140 runs left to get, I think he was right.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Brook got out to Lyon twice in the first test. England have been falling over themselves all series getting out trying to dominate spin. Cummins had to get Murphy into the game far earlier, not just for this test but for the series. He got one over before lunch and one over with 30 runs left to get, that’s not good for his confidence at all.

Mark Taylor was talking about getting Murphy into the game with 140 runs left to get, I think he was right.
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Yep could tell all the commentators felt similiar, clearly had no faith in him - but it was a good deck to bowl seam on and OT is likely to be flat and take a bit of turn.
 
Agent Red said:
I know Bairstow will desperately want to keep the gloves, but for his own sake I'd take them off or him or drop him completely. He's obviously not in the right mindset to perform at his best in this series now, given how numerous and public his mistakes have been. I wanted to give him more chances, but would definitely bring in Foakes now.
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Yeah how can we make a case for him staying in the team let alone just losing gloves
 
Couldn't be happier to eat those words,Jimmy will most likely come in for Old Trafford but is that the right decision when Tongue offers something totally different to others
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Cummins captaincy has been pretty weird all series but England have let him get away with things
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'Wimpy' would be the word I would use. I think they fancy themselves as playing sensible proper cricket in the face of the silly English Bazball and it has consistently made them more defensive than suits them. They've started thinking throwing the ball to your young off-spinner in the fourth innings is some overly aggressive gamble when in reality it is the 'sensible proper cricket' thing to do.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Brook got out to Lyon twice in the first test. England have been falling over themselves all series getting out trying to dominate spin. Cummins had to get Murphy into the game far earlier, not just for this test but for the series. He got one over before lunch and one over with 30 runs left to get, that’s not good for his confidence at all.

Mark Taylor was talking about getting Murphy into the game with 140 runs left to get, I think he was right.
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Maybe, but as an England fan watching, seeing England chase against Starc and Cummins vs any of the other Aussie bowlers was far more nerve wracking. I think the game would have been over much sooner had Murphy bowled more. He looked like the occasion sort of got to him, similarly with Boland actually.
 
croadyman said:
Couldn't be happier to eat those words,Jimmy will most likely come in for Old Trafford but is that the right decision when Tongue offers something totally different to others
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Tongue in for Robinson for me. Not bad having him and Wood as change.

If it had been back to back, I'd have said Jimmy for Broad - but not with a 9 day rest. Sorry Jimmy.

Hopefully Foakes > Bairstow. It's just no.3 - doubt they try Brook again, so either stick with Ali (playing with more attacking intent than today), or Root there.
 
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