English cricket thread

ChrisNelson said:
Yes I know and I never suggested otherwise regarding Broad.

What I'm saying is that yesterday he seemed to be trying to come across with some sort of halo, whipping the crowd up when he's got a history of 'doing whatever it takes to win within the rules'. His edge and non-walk was not particularly honourable but well within the rules, and so was what happened yesterday.

He can't have it both ways.
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His antics yesterday were hilarious. Stokes wasn't doing his any theatrics and instead channelled his frustration and anger in his innings.



This was in 2013 but now the shoe is on the other side, now suddenly "its all what you'll be remembered for" to Carey.
 
Samid said:
They’re both within the rules. The laws and rules are objective and don’t care about the subjective opinions of posters on the caf.
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No one is saying what happened weren’t within the laws of the game.
 
Dan_F said:
No one is saying what happened weren’t within the laws of the game.
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Yeah and all this ‘spirit of the game’ gibberish holds no real value up against the laws. If you’re within the laws it totally fair game.
 
KM said:
His antics yesterday were hilarious. Stokes wasn't doing his any theatrics and instead channelled his frustration and anger in his innings.



This was in 2013 but now the shoe is on the other side, now suddenly "its all what you'll be remembered for" to Carey.
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:lol: this is hilarious.

Doubly hilarious as he'll most likely be remembered for being humiliated by Yuvraj in a WC game.
 
Kind of hilarious that Stuart Brod who has almost 600 test wickets is always remembered for that edge and then people think that he is wrong that Carey will be remembered for this only. He is bang on. Carey will be remembered for this for a long time. In a good way or bad will depend on how you want to look at it.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Kind of hilarious that Stuart Brod who has almost 600 test wickets is always remembered for that edge and then people think that he is wrong that Carey will be remembered for this only. He is bang on. Carey will be remembered for this for a long time. In a good way or bad will depend on how you want to look at it.
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I think Broad is remembered for something else...
 
Skills said:
I think Broad is remembered for something else...
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He has done a lot of things in cricket and yet anytime anything comes up about England & spirit of cricket he is mentioned with his not walking on the edge. So Carey with a next to nothing career will of course have this with him
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
He has done a lot of things in cricket and yet anytime anything comes up about England & spirit of cricket he is mentioned with his not walking on the edge. So Carey with a next to nothing career will of course have this with him
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Well the first thing that comes to mind with Stuart Broad is Yuvraj Singh...
 
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Ayush_reddevil said:
He has done a lot of things in cricket and yet anytime anything comes up about England & spirit of cricket he is mentioned with his not walking on the edge. So Carey with a next to nothing career will of course have this with him
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Broad has always been a bit of a gobshite, so it's why it gets brought up a lot (as well as the six 6es).

It happens in every sport - the players that give it the big 'un are always called out when the shoe is on the other foot.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Kind of hilarious that Stuart Brod who has almost 600 test wickets is always remembered for that edge and then people think that he is wrong that Carey will be remembered for this only. He is bang on. Carey will be remembered for this for a long time. In a good way or bad will depend on how you want to look at it.
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This this the thing that comes to mind while remembering Broad.
 
ChrisNelson said:
Yes I know and I never suggested otherwise regarding Broad.

What I'm saying is that yesterday he seemed to be trying to come across with some sort of halo, whipping the crowd up when he's got a history of 'doing whatever it takes to win within the rules'. His edge and non-walk was not particularly honourable but well within the rules, and so was what happened yesterday.

He can't have it both ways.
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I was responding to your point about him being outraged at the umpires decision whereas he was outraged rather at the Australian players rather than the umpires. I agree he should have walked when he had his edge.
 
I had pretty much forgotten the Yuvraj six sixes v Broad. I think understandably that sticks in Indian fans mind.

He has about 20 more memorable things than that for Aussies and the English.
 
Utd heap said:
I had pretty much forgotten the Yuvraj six sixes v Broad. I think understandably that sticks in Indian fans mind.
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Yeah was going to say the same thing. England weren’t even taking white ball seriously back then.

Specifically on Broad, the key thing that does stand out is the reaction to him not walking.
 
Utd heap said:
I had pretty much forgotten the Yuvraj six sixes v Broad. I think understandably that sticks in Indian fans mind.

He has about 20 more memorable things than that for Aussies and the English.
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Exactly, anyone's idea of Broad is clouded by which country you are from/support, i am sure Broad is fine with his cricket legacy its a legendary one whether you like the bloke or not
 
Also Broad is going over board as that's his role. He's chief Aussie hater.

He's the most likely on our team to have done the same thing and backed it.

He will use this to fire himself and the crowd up.
 
Will be interesting to see if Australia rests Hazelwood next test match, they like to rotate the bowlers so I won't be surprised if they don't. Todd Murphy is quality and a very good replacement for Lyon.

England's lineup is tougher to predict, on the basis of the first two matches they should drop Anderson but ofcourse that'd be a daft thing to do, probably Robinson gets dropped for Wood(if he's fit). I simply don't rate Moeen Ali but Stokes and McCullum does so he'll come in for Tongue.
 
Broad holds the record for most expensive over in both T20s and tests. Shame they stopped using him in ODIs almost a decade ago.
 
England will move on from it now and trust the controversy will whip the crowd up for them going forward.

Expect to see Wood in for Anderson, and Ali for any of the other three (a case can be made for all of them to be dropped/have a breather).

That solves the pace and tail problem in two selections.

I think Pope will be fine but if he isn't i'd expect a straight swap for Dan Lawrence.
 
Utd heap said:
I had pretty much forgotten the Yuvraj six sixes v Broad. I think understandably that sticks in Indian fans mind.

He has about 20 more memorable things than that for Aussies and the English.
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I'm not Indian and it's pretty high (if not highest) on what sticks out about him in my mind.
 
KM said:
Two wrongs make a right then?
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No, because it was Australia in the wrong both times. The first time for not understanding the rules about what makes a legitimate catch and the second for doing something clearly against the spirit of the game. Also them acting so hard done by when they really got away with one with Smith's catch from Root earlier in the game was pretty funny when they pretty much had the game sewn up by then.

It just feels like Jonny Bairstow is such an easy target as well, if this happened to Stokes or Smith in the middle of a run chase then it would be viewed far more clearly as the desperate and cheap wicket that it was. The debate isn't really about whether Bairstow was sloppy, because he undoubtedly was.

Most England fans have been pretty critical of the way England have managed these two tests and admit they probably would have lost anyway due to their own mistakes, but it ruined what was otherwise an interesting spectacle. England would be absolutely hammered by all sides for the same piece of play and accused of desperation, but the fact that Australia are the superior teams kind of masks that fact. They are, unfortunately, the best athletes and the worst sportsmen simultaneously.
 
Keeping Tongue in (lol) is essential.

I'd bring Ali back in as well. He is definitely capable of playing a Bazball innings if needed, and he's not a poor bowler by any means.

A bowling attack of Ali, Broad, [Wood], Tongue, and one of Robinson/Anderson is good enough. Obviously big question mark over Wood on whether he's fit or not, but I think England need to take a chance now. The Ashes could be decided by this time next week.

Aussies will bring Boland back in I think (most likely for Hazlewood).
 
The Corinthian said:
I'm not Indian and it's pretty high (if not highest) on what sticks out about him in my mind.
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I’m English and follow cricket closely and I had completely forgotten about it. It’s a nothing event in the context of Broad’s career.
 
The Corinthian said:
Keeping Tongue in (lol) is essential.

I'd bring Ali back in as well. He is definitely capable of playing a Bazball innings if needed, and he's not a poor bowler by any means.

A bowling attack of Ali, Broad, [Wood], Tongue, and one of Robinson/Anderson is good enough. Obviously big question mark over Wood on whether he's fit or not, but I think England need to take a chance now. The Ashes could be decided by this time next week.

Aussies will bring Boland back in I think (most likely for Hazlewood).
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Wood will come in for Tongue I think unless someone decides to drop 2/3 of Board, Anderson and Robinson which I can't see happening. Only way Tongue plays is if Wood isn't fit.
 
KM said:
Kinda weird to be making that point to a non-Indian who said he remembers Broad for those six sixes.
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Ok well if that one bloke says it that's a wrap, discussion over chaps.
 
I must admit I had totally forgotten that Broad was hit for six sixes. I remember Stokes been hit around in the world cup final, but that's because it was a final.
 
Utd heap said:
8 for v Aussies
Not walking when he nicked it












Anything else Broad has ever done.
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Doracle said:
I’m English and follow cricket closely and I had completely forgotten about it. It’s a nothing event in the context of Broad’s career.
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This is probably it - most non-English fans will remember him being smashed by Yuvraj in a WC game, whereas the PTSD of the incident has given you amnesia.
 
TheGame said:
Wood will come in for Tongue I think unless someone decides to drop 2/3 of Board, Anderson and Robinson which I can't see happening. Only way Tongue plays is if Wood isn't fit.
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Dropping Tongue will be a mistake in my opinion. He's the only one that can consistently bowl close to 90mph - that makes a big difference, and he didn't look out of his depth at all against the Aussies. Don't see any benefit in having Anderson if the conditions aren't right, and Robinson has been really poor, one spell aside, in the first two tests.
 
Utd heap said:
Ok well if that one bloke says it that's a wrap, discussion over chaps.
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some people are fine with success at all costs, some would rather go to bed at night with a clear conscious. luckily, the world has we, the english, to uphold the true values and morals of the game. you can lead other countries to water, but you can’t stop them pissing in it.
 
The Corinthian said:
This is probably it - most non-English fans will remember him being smashed by Yuvraj in a WC game, whereas the PTSD of the incident has given you amnesia.
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I have far worse PTSD of the Stokes over to Braithwaite. That really hurt.

The Yuvraj one did not.
 
The Corinthian said:
Dropping Tongue will be a mistake in my opinion. He's the only one that can consistently bowl close to 90mph - that makes a big difference, and he didn't look out of his depth at all against the Aussies. Don't see any benefit in having Anderson if the conditions aren't right, and Robinson has been really poor, one spell aside, in the first two tests.
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Well no, as tthe caveat for him not playing is Wood being in the side.
 
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