English cricket thread

I don't get this 'England fans are hypocrites' line.

I know plenty of England fans (myself included) who think the Bairstow stumping was fair. I agree it was harsh and kind of ruined the spectacle, but reasoned that Australia have no obligation to play how England would like them to.

People just want to pile on rather than debate based on which team they support. Their minds are made up.
Fair play! I agree about ruining the spectacle. It was a very good game, but of course it's now been overshadowed. Which is a real shame.
 
But it wouldn't have happened the other way because only the Aussies would do it, at least without warning. Even if an England player had done it I'm pretty sure the appeal would have been withdrawn by most captains we've had, except by Strauss apparently who was bending over backwards to justify it.
How do you know only the aussies would do it? I think in the heat of the moment anyone is capable of making that call.
 
Why didn't anyone ask the umpires did they think it was dead? The square leg had began walking in and the main ump was handing the hat back to the bowler. They may not have verabilsed that it was dead but their actions said it was
 
Such a shame that Australia have doubled down on this.
Cricket is supposed to be the last bastion of gentlemanly sport. At least fess up and say something like “on reflection……” but no.
They should be shamelessly booed for the last 3 tests.
It’s not “clever” cricket at all. They have form for more obvious cheating as well. They probably would have won anyway.
The umpires also shoulder a LOT of the blame for this. Both of them not paying attention at all.
 
Why didn't anyone ask the umpires did they think it was dead? The square leg had began walking in and the main ump was handing the hat back to the bowler. They may not have verabilsed that it was dead but their actions said it was

I resume because they didn't see Carey throw the ball at the stumps. The rules clearly state it's a valid dismissal, an umpire looking down does not mean the ball is dead.
 
I resume because they didn't see Carey throw the ball at the stumps. The rules clearly state it's a valid dismissal, an umpire looking down does not mean the ball is dead.
Their actions signal it as dead though,.no? JB was looking at square leg and only walked out once he walked in
 
How do you know only the aussies would do it? I think in the heat of the moment anyone is capable of making that call.
I think you will see a lot more over the course of the series from England now. At least I hope you do. Every time an Aussie moves out of his crease stump him.
 
Their actions signal it as dead though,.no? JB was looking at square leg and only walked out once he walked in

I think the official rule is that they have to call 'over'. In any case it also that's the ball has to be resting in the keepers glove (don't remember the official word) but it clearly wasn't because Carey threw it immediately.
 
How do you know only the aussies would do it? I think in the heat of the moment anyone is capable of making that call.

It wasn't the heat of the moment. Carey noticed him doing it for a few balls in a row, it was fully premeditated. It would have been absolutely no problem for me if he'd said to Bairstow he was going to do it, it's just such a pointless way to be out. They're lucky that Stokes and Broad were determined to keep the spectacle going or it would have been a real damp squib of a day ruined by one snide bit of play.

And how do I know only the Aussies would do it? Well only the Aussies cooked up a scheme to bully a junior player to sandpaper the ball. They're pricks, too scared to win fairly when they were well on top.
 
I think you will see a lot more over the course of the series from England now. At least I hope you do. Every time an Aussie moves out of his crease stump him.

Wouldn't take make Stokes and Baz look like massive hypocrites based on their comments today?
 
But what about this! Or that!

Give it up lads. This is the cricket thread, doesn't need to have partisan one upmanship bollocks.

Like many regular posters in here I'm just giving my honest opinion on the event Infront of me. Not to do with English bias blah blah. I thought that was poor today.

I'd have expected Starcs catch yesterday to be given if it was my side.

It's not an agenda.
 
Wouldn't take make Stokes and Baz look like massive hypocrites based on their comments today?
No. Not now. Australia have set the rules by which the series is being played and that is feck sporting conduct.

They probably won't they'll take the moral high ground but they shouldn't.
 
I think the official rule is that they have to call 'over'. In any case it also that's the ball has to be resting in the keepers glove (don't remember the official word) but it clearly wasn't because Carey threw it immediately.
It's a case of play to the whistle but if the assuies seen the replay of jb looking at the umpire, seeing him walk in, then he makes his mark and walks out, they should have reversed their call for the wicket, in my opinion. But yea by the rule it'd out
 
But what about this! Or that!

Give it up lads. This is the cricket thread, doesn't need to have partisan one upmanship bollocks.

Like many regular posters in here I'm just giving my honest opinion on the event Infront of me. Not to do with English bias blah blah. I thought that was poor today.

I'd have expected Starcs catch yesterday to be given if it was my side.

It's not an agenda.

Someone mentioned bodyline earlier to make a point I'm 2023 :wenger:
 
It wasn't the heat of the moment. Carey noticed him doing it for a few balls in a row, it was fully premeditated. It would have been absolutely no problem for me if he'd said to Bairstow he was going to do it, it's just such a pointless way to be out. They're lucky that Stokes and Broad were determined to keep the spectacle going or it would have been a real damp squib of a day ruined by one snide bit of play.

And how do I know only the Aussies would do it? Well only the Aussies cooked up a scheme to bully a junior player to sandpaper the ball. They're pricks, too scared to win fairly when they were well on top.

These kinds of dismissals are not considered unfair play by the lawmakers anymore.

"There has previously been an unwritten convention to offer the batter a warning, though the relevant law was recently moved by the International Cricket Council and the MCC from the ‘unfair play’ section and filed instead under ‘run out’."

Really don't get this "you have to warn the batsman" argument. It's your job to know the rules before you walk out to bat. Don't doze off and leave your crease prematurely and you'll be fine.
 
Didn't see the English behaving with grace when they colonised half the world did you?

Or when the ball didn't cross the line in '66.

What about Brexit?

Hypocrites.
 
I wonder if umpires actually even call over after every over in general or players just randomly start moving themselves anyway.
 
No, you really didn't.

:lol:

So it's completely fair to appeal against a batsman who is in his crease but had a foot in the air trying to avoid getting hit by a ball thrown by the bowler towards him in anger?

I have seen everything in this thread. How is that Inzi runout by Harmison anything similar Ffs

Wasn't it against the spirit of the game? Inzamam was making no attempt at a run, was in his crease the whole time and was trying to avoid being hit by a ball thrown at him.
 
You are claiming a full blooded hoick leading to an edge to the slip was something he wasn't sure he hit. I think we are done discussing this dude.

As much as Batsman not walking when they have blatently hit is something to discuss in terms of the spirit of cricket conversation it's on a whole different level to very deliberately and slyly claiming a run out of a batsman who wasn't attempting a run and very much believed the ball to be dead and believed the game was now in-between overs.

Should broad of walked, probably but it very much is up to umpire to make the decision noone else. If the umpire gives you out but you know you haven't hit it, you can't stand there claiming you haven't hit it and shouldn't be given out in the spirit of cricket it's works both ways and taking advantage of it when goes in your favour is certainly pushing the line in terms of spirit of cricket. But claiming a very frivolous run out of a key batsman in the middle of a run chase that is very much against the spirit of cricket.
 
If Broad mankads Warner in the first over on Thursday the world will end.
 
Anyways it’s kind of shit that the whole conversation shifted to this. Could have been an incredible final day regardless. Very surprised that England are continuing with Bairstow as keeper
 
These kinds of dismissals are not considered unfair play by the lawmakers anymore.

"There has previously been an unwritten convention to offer the batter a warning, though the relevant law was recently moved by the International Cricket Council and the MCC from the ‘unfair play’ section and filed instead under ‘run out’."

Really don't get this "you have to warn the batsman" argument. It's your job to know the rules before you walk out to bat. Don't doze off and leave your crease prematurely and you'll be fine.

It's just shit to watch. You're cheating the spectators. Mankad actually has a point in the sense the guy is gaining an advantage by being further down the track, stumping a guy who thinks the ball is dead serves no purpose really as he's not under the impression he's contesting anything. Don't get me wrong I agree Bairstow was stupid but we're not there to watch a legal battle, we're there to watch a contest between bat and ball.
 
2nd july 2023
the day cricket died.
cause of death: australia.
 
I wonder if umpires actually even call over after every over in general or players just randomly start moving themselves anyway.
That's the point I made above. Their actions stated the over was over. You never hear it picked up so I'd wager a guess they actually don't say it every over. Open to be proven wrong though
 
The thing that really irked me was the way that Cummins was smirking like a 5 year old that just got away with doing something naughty
 
The thing that really irked me was the way that Cummins was smirking like a 5 year old that just got away with doing something naughty

England have the moral high ground and we are going to absolutely throw it away at Headingley in the stands and on the pitch. Can't wait.