Listen I agree he should have walked but it's not in the rules that you have to. That was the point I was making. But yeah it was unsporting, I was responding to the person who called him a cheat.
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Listen I agree he should have walked but it's not in the rules that you have to. That was the point I was making. But yeah it was unsporting, I was responding to the person who called him a cheat.
Can you pick out other moments when England have whined about the spirit of the game?
I think England have been way too soft this series. I think the Aussies have pretty much set the spirit the rest of this series should be played at.
If you're not trying to mankad them, or run them out at every opportunity as an England player you're a mug. Throw the ball at the stumps whenever you can - remember if you miss, you might get a wrist.
If you're not trying to mankad them, or run them out at every opportunity as an England player you're a mug. Throw the ball at the stumps whenever you can - remember if you miss, you might get a wrist.
Yeah we cheated repeatedly and consistently but the opposition keep going on about it!
You’re just a shit Richie McCaw
It's just not what people pay £160 a day to watch, simple as that. I've got to say I didn't think the umpires were very sensible with it either. If I were in their shoes I would have asked Cummins if he'd like to consider withdrawing the appeal, I didn't see them do that but could be wrong. And the review was just stupid, it was clear as day he was out of his ground and the only question was whether they'd called the over. If they don't know that then they might be in the wrong job.
The Sky pundits were all talking bollocks about it as well, couldn't wait to give Starc a platform to cry about him fecking up a catch to avoid a little graze on his elbow, but didn't seem to see any issue with the pointless run out.
The Sky pundits were all talking bollocks about it as well, couldn't wait to give Starc a platform to cry about him fecking up a catch to avoid a little graze on his elbow, but didn't seem to see any issue with the pointless run out.
It’s not rare but I feel like bats normally hang around a tad longer before moving, plus Cummins has mentioned Bairstow tried something similar with Warner earlier in the test so he might have dobbed himself in it and planted the seed there.
Off top of my head, there was the Mankad against butler by sl, there was Mankad against butler by ind, the Mankad or was it a runout by the Indian women's team, the bairstow bs now.
English batters really seem to have a real issue staying inside the crease and seem to want some sort of an exemption from being run out or stumped because of their stupidity and cluelessness.
Cummins in the press comparing it to Bairstow doing it to the Aussies when they were out of their crease facing the ball. He is intentionally being obtuse even though it’s not the same
Hopefully the next mode of dismissal to be accepted now that we have embraced Mankading and Careying. Fielding side spend all their time and effort on working on the ball and keep one side shiny so why should they accept batsmen touching the ball with their sweaty gloves?
Hopefully not long until a pioneer appeals to the umpire when that happens.
The punditry has been dreadful, it’s really making me pine for the days of Benaud and Greig.
I think you have a chip on your shoulder about the English team mate.
Nah it's clearly different... It's highly unlikely but in the moment theres a tiny chance that Broad thought maybe he didn't nick it if it hasn't been given out, Cricket happens pretty fast and players often think they have/haven't nicked it when they have/haven't... So maybe he second guessed himself in the moment. Only he knows.
Consciously finding an underhanded way to get someone out other the by conventional means is obviously different.
I meant by general interweb comments... But yeah the Sky commentators seemed to go full Neville on United commentary...
Never go full Neville.
I think you find that most players do that all the time. The fact you now have to wait for the ball to be called dead before you can move is going to slow the game down massively.
You are claiming a full blooded hoick leading to an edge to the slip was something he wasn't sure he hit. I think we are done discussing this dude.
So you are mentioning mankads which have been raised during the IPL with Ashwin and by a number of other teams as well so its nothing soley to do with England. The debate on mankads is ongoing whether it is in the spirit of the game or not.
How many current international players have been out via a Mankad? England mens team has a guy who has been dismissed that way by multiple teams. Surely at some point there has to he some self reflection, why is it always the english who have trouble staying inside their crease.
Do England keep going on about the spirit of the game? At least noticeably more than any other side?
It is the umpire's job to give players out. Broad could have given himself out by walking, but the bowler may have no-balled by overstepping the popping crease, for example.
Once he has crossed the boundary rope, he can't be readmitted.
Players are falliable just as umpires are, so why would they just assume it was a legitimate delivery if they are concentrating on scoring runs anyway? It makes no sense to walk if you might also be wrong in adjudicating your own dismissal.
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Strauss said it wasn’t pre meditated so he didn’t have a problem with it. Cummins said after the game that Carey had seen him doing it a few overs before.
I don’t even understand why people are trying to defend it. Bairstow stood in his crease waiting for the umpire who literally looked away. Even the one at square leg did the same. They would only do that if they thought the ball was dead.
Anyone talking about a mankad is deluded. That’s a completely different conversation. There’s literally no other reason to do this than “we need a wicket by any means possible”
Richie was and will always be the GOAT.
Here's a list of incidents of famous incidents. What is Mankading in Cricket? - Famous Mankading Incidents. - COD (cricketondemand.com) . A quick google search will show you some. You seem to have weird issue with the England team. I would take some self reflection yourself.
This fair play from Foakes?
Like I said - it is highly unlikely, (in fact I'm fairly sure Broad himself admitted he thought he had hit it - though again, you're definitely going to second guess yourself if you've not been given out) but the fact remains edging to slip and not walking and a premedated attempt to underhandidly get someone out are two totally different things. It's a bit one-eyed to claim otherwise.
Thats 10 instances with an English player being at the wrong end of it 3 times, not sure how that contradicts my point that England players seem to have the most issue with this.
Part of my issue with the moaning about it, is that England fans, like all others, are hypocrites. If it had happened the other way. Lords would have cheered and I bet even some England fans here would have blamed the batsman.
You just can't take the moral high ground because it makes a hypocrite of you. No team is whiter than white. They all push the line. That was close to line but still a judgment call.
I just accept these things happen in sport and move on.
You just can't take the moral high ground because it makes a hypocrite of you. No team is whiter than white. They all push the line. That was close to line but still a judgment call.
I just accept these things happen in sport and move on.
This fair play from Foakes?
Please tell me stokes was playing in this game?
This fair play from Foakes?
Yes? He's been stumped in the middle of playing a shot, it's not remotely the same. Some desperate wriggling going in here to avoid the self reflection that our Aussie friends seem to be prescribing for the England players.
Completely hypothetical
FFS you really do seem to have some issues with interpretation dont you. Pretty sure just being a WUM now. Only one of those incidents was an England test player. The other was a woman and one in the IPL which criticised by many non English pundits over there. Those are only 'famous incidents'. Google some more and there is plenty of non english mankading,.
This fair play from Foakes?
Come on, you can’t use a keeper waiting for a batsman to overbalance playing a spinner as an equivalent example
Any one else want to post a video of a completely different situation?
Yes? How many of these are you gonna bring us?
This fair play from Foakes?
This fair play from Foakes?
I don't think they're remotely the same. He had no control of his body there
Not necessarily referencing this specific moment, more who it involved. He can tune out of games at times, Bairstow.
I don't get this 'England fans are hypocrites' line.
I know plenty of England fans (myself included) who think the Bairstow stumping was fair. I agree it was harsh and kind of ruined the spectacle, but reasoned that Australia have no obligation to play how England would like them to.
People just want to pile on rather than debate based on which team they support. Their minds are made up.
I know plenty of England fans (myself included) who think the Bairstow stumping was fair. I agree it was harsh and kind of ruined the spectacle, but reasoned that Australia have no obligation to play how England would like them to.
People just want to pile on rather than debate based on which team they support. Their minds are made up.
Well, yes but based on things I've seen in cricket over the years. The one eyed nature of the discourse is so predictable.
The reminds of that incident with Ian bell a few years back against india. That was completely bell's fault, but to india's credit they even called him back.
But it wouldn't have happened the other way because only the Aussies would do it, at least without warning. Even if an England player had done it I'm pretty sure the appeal would have been withdrawn by most captains we've had, except by Strauss apparently who was bending over backwards to justify it.