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Robinson was nowhere near test match fit in that match which is either injury or him back to being a lazy bastard again.

Anderson can't do it on flat decks anymore, probably shouldn't have played.

Then you have Stokes largely unable to bowl and Ali (predictably) getting a niggle

England will get better IMO.
 
Abraxas said:
Surely it's more a case of Archer available instead of Anderson on the evidence of this test. Which might be fairly crucial evidence considering the age of Anderson. Hopefully he bounces back but at some point he is going to be finished.

Robinson is quality. Test wickets at 21, FC wickets at 20. Needs better support than what Anderson and Ali produced.
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I mean that if Archer was in the side, you'd have him and Broad doing the bowling at the death... Not that he's be in instead of Robinson necessarily
 
Utd heap said:
Robinson was nowhere near test match fit in that match which is either injury or him back to being a lazy bastard again.

Anderson can't do it on flat decks anymore, probably shouldn't have played.

Then you have Stokes largely unable to bowl and Ali (predictably) getting a niggle

England will get better IMO.
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Been injured for 2-3 weeks with a groin issue and this was first game back. The bowlers fitness wise weren't the best combination though.
 
Before this series I felt that it was impossible to predict and I feel even more confused now. This can go any way from here
 
TheGame said:
Been injured for 2-3 weeks with a groin issue and this was first game back. The bowlers fitness wise weren't the best combination though.
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Yeah that's what I'm getting at really and a fair few of us in here were saying so pre game so it's not complete hindsight - but I see why they went for it. Onto the next one!
 
Next one starts in a week so hopefully enough time for the bowlers to get fit /Moeen to find a new finger
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Next one starts in a week so hopefully enough time for the bowlers to get fit /Moeen to find a new finger
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Wood for Jimmy probably likely.

Broad can't be dropped after that effort and if Robinson proves his fitness he's perfect for Lords.

If Ali is injured I could see them playing Woakes with Root as primary spinner.
 
Utd heap said:
Wood for Jimmy probably likely.

Broad can't be dropped after that effort and if Robinson proves his fitness he's perfect for Lords.

If Ali is injured I could see them playing Woakes with Root as primary spinner.
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They'll bat Root out of the game they saw what Cummins did to him and are probably kicking themselves they didn't go after him earlier in this game
 
Some of the comments from those that don't support England make you wonder if they even want test cricket to be saved.
 
DOTA said:
Just checked and apparently today's win only counts as one, so not as bad as you seem to think.
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Big difference between 1-0 and 0-1. Australia have the momentum and they only need 1 more win and 1 draw. England need to win 3 of the 4 remaining.

3 of Australia's top 4 all flopped in this match and exposed the late middle order too early. Would not expect that to continue, especially if pitches keep being this flat.
 
Gavinb33 said:
They'll bat Root out of the game they saw what Cummins did to him and are probably kicking themselves they didn't go after him earlier in this game
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I doubt spin will play a large part at Lords. Root as a part timer will be fine - that Cummins knock today was very context specific, not really an indicator of things to come.
 
What did people think of the captaincy in the last 15 overs? I'm not sure the field placements were the right approach. Dependent on the batter making a mistake taking on the short ball
 
zing said:
What did people think of the captaincy in the last 15 overs? I'm not sure the field placements were the right approach. Dependent on the batter making a mistake taking on the short ball
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Cummins definetly won that battle. Stopped trying to get him out far too early.

We have had huge issues bowling out the tail for years with our 80mph bowling line up. It worked in the 1st innings so he just tried to repeat it.
 
TheGame said:
I didn't agree with the declaration but to call that as the sole reason for losing the match and Ashes is absurd. Root could have been out first ball the next day. The reason we lost was because we don't have a quality spinner, dropped catches, given silly wickets away and didn't bowl well at the end of the game.
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All the more reason to not declare for less than 400 on the first day? Not having a quality spinner and giving silly wickets away were things everyone knew before the series.

If Root got out the first ball the next day he would've played 6 extra overs the night before and probably added 40-50 extra runs.

Unless there is rain around for 2-3 full days there is no valid reason to declare on day 1 for less than 400.
 
I've felt Anderson has been poor in the 2nd innings for awhile now, opened StatsGuru to find some stats to support this and found out my opinion is completely incorrect

He's - strangely - been terrible in the 3rd innings, but has very good numbers in the 4th innings, so it doesnt support the "Gets tired in the latter part of the match" narrative
 
Samid said:
All the more reason to not declare for less than 400 on the first day? Not having a quality spinner and giving silly wickets away were things everyone knew before the series.

If Root got out the first ball the next day he would've played 6 extra overs the night before and probably added 40-50 extra runs.

Unless there is rain around for 2-3 full days there is no valid reason to declare on day 1 for less than 400.
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Wrong, there is - vibes.
 
This was a high quality test but I think Australia will edge England pretty often.. 3-1 or more IMO
 
zing said:
This was a high quality test but I think Australia will edge England pretty often.. 3-1 or more IMO
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England didn't come in match fit. I think we will get better and arguably edged that test match other than the most important part (ha).

I'm quite optimistic but 5-0 Aussies and 4-1 England are still on the table. Good fun.
 
zing said:
I've felt Anderson has been poor in the 2nd innings for awhile now, opened StatsGuru to find some stats to support this and found out my opinion is completely incorrect

He's - strangely - been terrible in the 3rd innings, but has very good numbers in the 4th innings, so it doesnt support the "Gets tired in the latter part of the match" narrative
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Why would that be a narrative? Unless he's doing some heavy duty work in the second batting innings there isn't any difference from the tiredness perspective.
 
RedNome said:
There's only one team that deserves to win this and it isn't this spineless Aussie side.
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This aged well. They played smartly and deservedly won. There's no point in "bazball" at all costs if you're not significantly better than your opposition. It's stupid and got what it deserved.
 
TheGame said:
Both are nowhere near the required level to act as a frontline spinner in England. Rehan might end up getting in by process of elimination at this rate but really struggling in the spinning department.
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I know, it's not a great situation. But England need a spinner particularly as Stokes struggles to bowl.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Who are the next young quicks? Potts is decent but again very one paced is there another Archer/Wood type anywhere?
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Olly Stone was a hope for a long while but looks another injury type. Saqib Mahmood only just back off a long lay off.

Archer will never play test cricket again.
 
Utd heap said:
England didn't come in match fit. I think we will get better and arguably edged that test match other than the most important part (ha).

I'm quite optimistic but 5-0 Aussies and 4-1 England are still on the table. Good fun.
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Where I particularly see England losing is that you don't have a pair of great bowlers like Broad and Anderson at the peak. While Broad was brilliant this test, I think for the rest of the bowling attack it's a bit of a case of hoping everyone fires at the same time. I think the bench strength for that exists with the pacers outside the 11, but I can imagine 2 out of 4 bowlers misfiring just as easily if England line-up with say Broad, Wood, Robinson, Moeen. It's a squad of lots of 'good' bowlers(some young and will improve) but none guaranteed to have a great series. Australia have that but look a bit undercooked, will get better. Lyon was superb and your spinner guaranteeing one end is priceless in some tests, and there will be those tests in a 5 test series.

I know Moeen went for runs but that was a pretty heroic effort from him over 5 days.

I remember India tour of England 2014 or 15, forget which. 1-1 two tests in, looked equal to England and got smoked 5 tests in and looked a team thinking about the flight back home. 5 test series are gruelling and these things will be important
 
Samid said:
Why would that be a narrative? Unless he's doing some heavy duty work in the second batting innings there isn't any difference from the tiredness perspective.
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Getting old, tired legs after bowling first innings.. I've heard it on TV a couple times. I think he went through a period where he wasn't taking second innings wickets last summer may be?
 
DOTA said:
Tongue's pretty much the same pace as Stone and Saqib, isn't he?
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I don't think he is as fast as Olly Stone but he is as quick if not quicker than Saqib. I think he may have to play as an alternative to Wood at some point.
 
The decision to declare on day 1 when Root was set and you still had a couple of wickets in the shed was idiotic. Stokes has been great since taking the captaincy, but this was just arrogant and stupid. 30-40 runs extra and they would have won that test.

I thought Cummins was excellent throughout. He won't get the plaudits as he was safe and steady but he led his team brilliantly from the front - it was a real captains performance and should be up there in terms of stand out performances in Ashes history. Great to see Khawaja score his maiden test century on English soil.

'Bazball' should take some criticism, particularly in the England's 2nd innings. That shot from Root was nonsensical especially when he was in such good form and toying with the Aussies. If anything, he needs to play the Khawaja role and let the others play the big shots.

Broad and Moeen aside, I think England's bowlers were sub-par. I'd have Woods in and drop Robinson. Anderson didn't have a good test, but you just know he'll come good at some point. Robinson is just meh.

This looks set up to be a great series. I think the Aussies winning the first test will make Stokes and England go even more aggressive which could make for some great viewing.
 
Not sure why people are so keen to definitively write off Bazball, I get the cynicism but it’s clearly been very transformative for England and they got a lot of success from it in this test too. They just need to feel out the big moments a little better, they can still go at 4-5 an over with the field out without trying to smash the ball out of the ground and it looks like Australia are more than happy to give them the opportunity to do that. And on the flip side, Australia were vindicated in waiting it out and playing the long game, they’re essentially backing their batting lineup to outscore England on the same pitch, which isn’t a bad judgement to make.

Styles make fights and this is shaping up to be an amazing series.
 
The Corinthian said:
The decision to declare on day 1 when Root was set and you still had a couple of wickets in the shed was idiotic. Stokes has been great since taking the captaincy, but this was just arrogant and stupid. 30-40 runs extra and they would have won that test.

I thought Cummins was excellent throughout. He won't get the plaudits as he was safe and steady but he led his team brilliantly from the front - it was a real captains performance and should be up there in terms of stand out performances in Ashes history. Great to see Khawaja score his maiden test century on English soil.

'Bazball' should take some criticism, particularly in the England's 2nd innings. That shot from Root was nonsensical especially when he was in such good form and toying with the Aussies. If anything, he needs to play the Khawaja role and let the others play the big shots.

Broad and Moeen aside, I think England's bowlers were sub-par. I'd have Woods in and drop Robinson. Anderson didn't have a good test, but you just know he'll come good at some point. Robinson is just meh.

This looks set up to be a great series. I think the Aussies winning the first test will make Stokes and England go even more aggressive which could make for some great viewing.
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The declaration was eye catching but they created enough chances to take 20 wickets with Australia getting less runs than them and they didn’t take them.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
The declaration was eye catching but they created enough chances to take 20 wickets with Australia getting less runs than them and they didn’t.
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yeah the declaration was the wrong call IMO but it didn't lose us the test match.
 
I see English fans implying they were the underdogs and they are happy that they still attacked the Aussies which is not true. On English soil, England are the favourites.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
I see English fans implying they were the underdogs and they are happy that they still attacked the Aussies which is not true. On English soil, England are the favourites.
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Australia had the number 1, 2 and 3 best batsman in the world in their side as well as the most complete bowling attack going while England are undercooked and plenty of bowlers out injured.

Australia even had the best warm up preparation you could have as well.
 
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