I think the opposite. Their bowling is not that great. Likes of Smith and Labuschagne would turn up in coming matches. Oz in fact have a better bowler in Starc they can bring in for Boland to further strengthen. It will be down to their batting to pull off heists via Bazball.
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I think the opposite. Their bowling is not that great. Likes of Smith and Labuschagne would turn up in coming matches. Oz in fact have a better bowler in Starc they can bring in for Boland to further strengthen. It will be down to their batting to pull off heists via Bazball.
Because it did about as much as the old ball and the pitch was dead and our bowlers do not bowl quick enough
Well for all the talk before the game in here, England couldn’t take 20 wickets and didn’t have enough pace to seriously trouble the tailenders at the end
Woods need to come in
This is not a real ashes test because the sun set earlier on day 3, to me I have written it off as voided.
Not true. Oz having to defend on last day without having a good chance to win the game would have been even worse for them, even if number of overs were less. First innings declaration was a mistake no matter how you look at it.
Here we go with the pundits talking about England’s style of play. They had Australia needing 50 odd from the last two wickets.
That’s a brilliant position to be in. Losing had nothing to do with the style of play.
That’s a brilliant position to be in. Losing had nothing to do with the style of play.
It was a great game but I did feel like England needed to get the first win to really stand a chance of winning the series. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
A draw would have been a decent result and potentially made for a more exciting series overall. Not entirely sure that the declaration was the best call either for this game or creating an exciting 6 weeks of cricket.
A draw would have been a decent result and potentially made for a more exciting series overall. Not entirely sure that the declaration was the best call either for this game or creating an exciting 6 weeks of cricket.
Exactly this. I'm all for out of the box thinking but surely one person in the England team has looked at the forecast and saw that days 1 and 2 were best for batting so lets stay and bat as long as we can on those days and make sure the Aussies are batting on the other days. Instead the Aussies got to bat on day 2 and England were batting on days 3 and 4 which were better for bowlers. Those extra runs would have come in handy.
The stumping wickets were also annoying as felt they were just given away really.
Anderson has been out for 3 weeks prior to this and the lack of a decent spinner didn't help but England can take lots of positives into the next game.
I'm basing that purely on time,
the forecast hadn't changed over the weekend, everyone knew it was going to rain today,
Australia never change their approach, always methodical and steady, so by putting Australia in early England gave themselves more of a chance of a victory.
Could have been a master stroke as it nearly paid off.
Reckon Cummins and Lyon could have got an extra 20/30 anyway considering the pressure we (weren't) putting them under.
Brilliant test match nothing beats it.Yes you could look at the declaration but I'd say it was the missed chances that cost England if stokes holds onto that catch they win though It was a very difficult one such fine margins.
Cummins played brilliantly, he's no mug with bat fair play to him.
England shouldn't be too down after that, nothing between these 2 sides.
Cummins played brilliantly, he's no mug with bat fair play to him.
England shouldn't be too down after that, nothing between these 2 sides.
Play someone like Jacks or Rehan. The latter at least would be useful against the tail. The way England play they need a spinner to bowl long periods
Not true.
Australia defending the last day would have been awful to watch and would have been easy for them, the wickets for England came from the Aussies reaching in order to pick up runs.
Any decision in a game would be analyzed in light of the results. I like the entertainment Bazball provides but it is bizarre that some people expect it to be shielded from criticisms. You can't look at Root's dismissal in second innings and think that it can not be put under the scanner of criticism.
Bar Carey, no one today in Oz line up got out looking for runs. I would correct myself and say without a top quality spinner England would likely still struggled to get 10 wickets but batting Oz out of the test match still give them the best chance at coming out on top in the match.
Everyone talking about Root, Smith, Labuschagne.
Pat Cummins is the best cricketer in this series. He’s clear.
Pat Cummins is the best cricketer in this series. He’s clear.
Both are nowhere near the required level to act as a frontline spinner in England. Rehan might end up getting in by process of elimination at this rate but really struggling in the spinning department.
Ehhh, I usually back the Aussies but it depends on which team is less smug and our latest results against them
Mind you I haven't followed this time, works been a mess so highlights if I'm lucky.
Yep agree with this, likewise with Bairstow and Ali in the first innings. Attacking cricket shouldn't just mean brainless shots.
But you saw Smith and Laburschane fall cheaply in both innings with conventional batting. Root may have got out for 10 prodding around off stump.
I do understand what you’re saying but the style worked. It got Australia down to 50 runs needed with 2 wickets remaining, you’d back the bowling team to win that maybe 8/10 times? It’s certainly closer than other teams have managed to push Australia recently, and definitely closer than this team captained by Root would have done.
I do understand that it’ll always be open for criticism when they lose, but I think the focus should be on Kawaja and Cummins really.
Missed a great test here bud. But yeah, marginally favor the Aussies as well - suppose for the Saffers it’s usually a question of who we like least, versus who were supportingEhhh, I usually back the Aussies but it depends on which team is less smug and our latest results against them
Mind you I haven't followed this time, works been a mess so highlights if I'm lucky.
My view is the criticism is fair but academic as it should be wholly ignored in favour of continuing to trust their wildly optimistic hunches - given that's what the whole thing rests upon. You tell them to be a bit more sensible about things and it will bleed in to everything, not just the decisions you'd like it to.
You guys can sugarcoat the declaration all you want but the reality is that England lost after declaring on day 1. Day 1! They wanted to send out a Bazball statement but it backfired spectacularly. Potentially lost the Ashes on a silly decision on day 1 of a 5 match series.
Yeah getting hit for those two sixes killed us,not gonna criticise that dropped catch
I think the problem was they took it after momentum had gone away from us. Should have been taken immediately when they still wanted around 40 runs at the time
Just checked and apparently today's win only counts as one, so not as bad as you seem to think.
England have more obvious flaws in their team with no seemingly fit spinner and three samey bowlers.
Will be interesting to see what type of pitch to expect at Lord's, these 3 and Woakes will typically suit it perfectly but I think Wood needs to come in for a point on difference
Will be interesting to see what type of pitch to expect at Lord's, these 3 and Woakes will typically suit it perfectly but I think Wood needs to come in for a point on difference
Yep!!
I agree we lack pace in the attack,however the problem is we have to manage Wood. Then you look at the other quicks like Archer,Stone & Mahmood and they can't stay fit
I didn't agree with the declaration but to call that as the sole reason for losing the match and Ashes is absurd. Root could have been out first ball the next day. The reason we lost was because we don't have a quality spinner, dropped catches, given silly wickets away and didn't bowl well at the end of the game.
It's getting a fecking piss take now how every English fast bowler ends up with a long term injury.
Forecasts are forecasts. I wouldn't base my first innings score off a forecast, on day 1 of 5. Getting way ahead of ourselves there. Just do the basics, set a score - we'd already batted aggressively and skewed the game towards a result, why go to such artificial lengths to say you're aggressive. That's just vanity, there is a huge database of history that says strong first innings batting wins games and instead of using that we decide to go off piste.
Besides why equate declaring with more chance of winning? Not neccessarily, runs scored plays a huge part, not just the time to take wickets. Time comes into play as the game progresses not on day 1. The most crucial thing to me is we didn't declare with Jimmy Anderson stood there blocking it up and doing nothing, that would have been more justified because then you can say the opportunity to bowl is better than watching Anderson block. We declared moments after Root just punted their spinner for a couple of big 6s. So by declaring you also have an opportunity cost that says Root was set and could have been extremely efficient in strengthening our position there.
Wasn't a masterstroke, it was just bad. Bad in theory and unfortunately for us it was also bad in practice.
Just listening to Stokes he's gutted obviously but he's not gonna change his approach. From the start of his captaincy it's always been about bringing excitement to test cricket he's most definitely achieved that.
I do agree on somethings on here though, some of the England dismissals were awful and for the sake of 4 overs he should've declared overnight if at all but like Stokes said, we could've got 40 more or lost 2 wickets in 2 balls.
For those of us who have watched test cricket for years it's probably hard to get our head round this approach sometimes, but overall I'm loving it.
As James Anderson said Jack leach said to him "we might not be the best team out there but there's none braver".
Strap yourselves in and enjoy the next four games.
I do agree on somethings on here though, some of the England dismissals were awful and for the sake of 4 overs he should've declared overnight if at all but like Stokes said, we could've got 40 more or lost 2 wickets in 2 balls.
For those of us who have watched test cricket for years it's probably hard to get our head round this approach sometimes, but overall I'm loving it.
As James Anderson said Jack leach said to him "we might not be the best team out there but there's none braver".
Strap yourselves in and enjoy the next four games.
Anderson has been out for 2-3 weeks with a groin problem as well and was rusty. Prob need to go these 3 and Wood with Root providing spin.
Well 2005 we lost the first one
If Crawley fails again next game, England need to have Brook open and bring in Foakes.
He doesn't look anything special but he's tall, accurate, and gets just enough movement to take edges. I think he's a really good bowler. Would be even more effective with a bit more seam in the pitch.I barely watch any cricket these days, but looks like I'll be watching a lot of this series. Great game, that.
Just out of curiosity, what is an Ollie Robinson for? I see a big lad amble in and chuck it in a straight line at 78 mph for five days... then I look up his record and he's got dozens of test wickets at an average of 21. Maybe I just don't understand cricket anymore.
The only problem is it looks a bit samey with him, Broad and Anderson firing it down at the same speed. No left armer, no good spin option, no pace. Any one of these things would really help England. I think that's where we have a problem because if Smith and co get into form we're going to have issues getting them out.
Great game - declaration was wrong but happy to take it on the chin with Stokes trying to Captain in a new manner.
Ali injury was predictable but element of bad luck, England largely controlled the tempo of the game and lost it in the big moments (Bairstow drops and Broad no ball).
Loads to be optimistic about and I'd strongly fancy England ti bounceback in the series. Aussies will have to play better to win it as England can and will likely improve.
Far to moany in this thread but emotions running high - no idea why people get so upset by the 'we're just here to entertain line'. That's the way Stokes and Mccullum have decided to brainwash this team into high energy brilliant to watch Cricket - fine with me.
Also seems to really annoy the opposition. Don't be kidded they aren't absolutely gutted to have lost that.
Ali injury was predictable but element of bad luck, England largely controlled the tempo of the game and lost it in the big moments (Bairstow drops and Broad no ball).
Loads to be optimistic about and I'd strongly fancy England ti bounceback in the series. Aussies will have to play better to win it as England can and will likely improve.
Far to moany in this thread but emotions running high - no idea why people get so upset by the 'we're just here to entertain line'. That's the way Stokes and Mccullum have decided to brainwash this team into high energy brilliant to watch Cricket - fine with me.
Also seems to really annoy the opposition. Don't be kidded they aren't absolutely gutted to have lost that.
God I wish we had Archer fit.
Imagine him speeding in at the end of this game instead of Robinson.
Surely it's more a case of Archer available instead of Anderson on the evidence of this test. Which might be fairly crucial evidence considering the age of Anderson. Hopefully he bounces back but at some point he is going to be finished.
Robinson is quality. Test wickets at 21, FC wickets at 20. Needs better support than what Anderson and Ali produced.