English cricket thread
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We didn't get lucky in the WC at all. We went into the tournament expecting one kind of pitch and ended up getting something completely different due to freak weather conditions. We had key players injured and lost the toss in both knock-out games, as well as playing on poor pitches.
Boycott would be all over Bairstow for how he's played the last 2 years if he wasn't so close to him.
Can't see that happening tbh. Any more than two changes and it looks like a crisis. Archer and Leach will come in but don't see anyone else making way.
If we lose at Lords it will be full-scale panic stations though.
He should be now TBF. His batting has been so undisciplined
You make excuses when you lose, not when you win.
England had luck during the game, particularly the last over but the entire set up was completely in favour of New Zealand.
A slow sticky pitch , they won the toss, even the start being delayed helped them.
A slow sticky pitch , they won the toss, even the start being delayed helped them.
We don’t have a good record at Lords. Archer a shoe in and Barstow will be bricking it.
I'd make big changes. They should have been made after Ireland but they weren't so feck it, do it now:
Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes (wk)
Woakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes (wk)
Woakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
Agree, just for the Stokes-Foakes-Woakes middle order.
Whatever happened to the young lad from Lancashire that was supposed to be the next big thing? Opening bat, I think he toured with England B.
I was in stadium to watch. Privileged.
Averaged less than 10 in Division One, last year.
Averaging 28 in Division Two this year, including one century, so it's not quite as horrendous but still looking more likely to end up needing to find a career outside of cricket than he is to find himself playing for England again.
Stokes-Foakes-Woakes hurts my eyes but yeah, that'd be my team too.
But I can't see us making so many changes at once. It might be that Archer and Leach come in for the Lords test and Sibley and Foakes for the one after, if we lose at Lords as well.
All well and good DOTA, but what has that got to do with my post about Smith?
Quick edit, good.
Well, Smith is pretty unlikely to find himself playing for England...All well and good DOTA, but what has that got to do with my post about Smith?
Quick edit, good.
This is probably England's best test team at the moment. Although perhaps I would have Denly (Ollie Pope?) 4 and Roy 5. Still despite all the talent can't see Buttler getting runs on a regular basis.
Just had a quick look at Ollie Pope's stats. That's the kind of average that demands England selection, get him in. http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/887207.html
The problem is he's another shot maker (as that SR suggests) and he's got most of his runs at 5 for Surrey. He's moved up to 4 this season, but he did his shoulder in and has only just returned. There's no doubt he's a big talent, but I would be tempted to leave him for this summer and ease him in (for the second time) more gently.
Liked him when he played - I think it was against India.. but the Aussies would eat him for lunch. He played a lot of shots.. England need to find a Jonathan Trott - easier said than done.
Yeah he's not ready for Ashes cricket. Would be a repeat of Ian Bell in 2005.
The other one I've always quite liked is Liam Livingstone but he hasn't quite had the weight of runs in past few years to demand selection.
Yeah I like that team.
I'd be amazed if Bairstow is dropped though and Denly is such a nothing player he might avoid any attention and so make it to Lords.
Rightly or wrongly (wrongly as it happens) he's a victim of the Trevor Bayliss approach of giving players games in T20 matches and deciding based on that evidence whether they're cut out for international cricket. Had he played well in those games he'd have been on the Malan/Crane route to test cricket, but he won't get a chance again until Bayliss fecks off.
Get a decent coach who understands test cricket in this country and start again. I think, not getting humped in the Ashes is just a bonus at this point. Although that said Ottis Gibson seems to be inexplicably linked to the role so I won't hold my breath.
Bairstow will get at least two more I think; Root will talk in his press conference about how we 'all know how good he is', how' he's got 'credit in the bank' and you don't drop such a good player after one blip (conveniently ignoring he averages 35 over 60+ tests).
I think the best we can hope for is he gets pissed off with people questioning his place and decides to prove us wrong.
I think it was you who pointed out aside from 2106 he's never been very good in tests. Average to poor numbers every other year and his last 18 months have been a disaster.
He's Roots pal though so I imagine that'll buy him more time.
Livingstone's first-class record has been really poor over the past two years. He also bats 5 for Lancs, and we don't have a gap there at the moment.
Sibley is the only stand-out in county cricket at the moment.
That was a throughly one-sided ending to what was a pretty even test up until the start of Day 4. The problem for England is it should not have been even at that point, they should have been well out of sight even without Anderson. At times in this test England seemed to forget that they can bowl out a team without getting a specific batsman out, 122-8 should never turn into 284 all out and I think Siddle actually managed to score more runs than Smith during their partnership. Kohli did the exact same thing to England exactly a year before and it reflects poorly on Root's captaincy that this seems to be a bit of a recurring theme. The observation I have on Root's captaincy is he seems to have a lot of ideas but in having so many ideas he is incapable of zeroing in on the correct idea and ensuring it is executed.
The England batting was good for a day but why it was good was actually a bit worrying. Burns said he went away to his mentor in order to get his batting back in rhythm. There should not be anything unusual about this but for me it is quite telling. Every England batsman that has been in the England camp for a long period of time has seriously regressed as a test match batsman (Root, Bairstow, Ali). That Burns could go away for a few days and get his game in order so swiftly is a damning indictment not only on the capabilities of the England coaching staff but also on the capabilities of the England players to recognise technical flaws and go about fixing them. I also felt that batting order was completely wrong, Buttler should not bat above Stokes and on current form Ali should not bat above Woakes. Roy should be batting at 4 and Denly should not be in the team. On that pitch England had the platform to make a big first innings score and they squandered it.
The Australian 2nd innings hinged on the bowling of Moeen and it was disheartening to see him bowl that delivery over Smith's head in the first over on Day 4. He is a talented cricketer and a good spinner, he lacks confidence and I do not think Root or the coaching staff have done particularly well in figuring out how to build and maintain his confidence. It is quite striking to me how different visibly different in demeanour some of the England players look in white ball cricket compared to test match cricket. I know the conditions are different but the Jonny Bairstow that was scoring crucial 100s against India and New Zealand last month is not the same Jonny Bairstow that walked out to bat in this test. That largely the same group of players with the same support staff can appear so empowered in one format and then look so devoid of confidence in another is puzzling. The key difference between the sides is of course the captain and I am of the opinion that is better for England to not have Root as captain as he is not a very good one and it is not worth waiting for him to develop into one as his batting in this format continues to regress.
For the next test I would drop Denly and call up Sibley. Burns, Sibley, Root, Roy, Stokes, Buttler, Curran, Woakes, Archer, Leach, Broad.
The England batting was good for a day but why it was good was actually a bit worrying. Burns said he went away to his mentor in order to get his batting back in rhythm. There should not be anything unusual about this but for me it is quite telling. Every England batsman that has been in the England camp for a long period of time has seriously regressed as a test match batsman (Root, Bairstow, Ali). That Burns could go away for a few days and get his game in order so swiftly is a damning indictment not only on the capabilities of the England coaching staff but also on the capabilities of the England players to recognise technical flaws and go about fixing them. I also felt that batting order was completely wrong, Buttler should not bat above Stokes and on current form Ali should not bat above Woakes. Roy should be batting at 4 and Denly should not be in the team. On that pitch England had the platform to make a big first innings score and they squandered it.
The Australian 2nd innings hinged on the bowling of Moeen and it was disheartening to see him bowl that delivery over Smith's head in the first over on Day 4. He is a talented cricketer and a good spinner, he lacks confidence and I do not think Root or the coaching staff have done particularly well in figuring out how to build and maintain his confidence. It is quite striking to me how different visibly different in demeanour some of the England players look in white ball cricket compared to test match cricket. I know the conditions are different but the Jonny Bairstow that was scoring crucial 100s against India and New Zealand last month is not the same Jonny Bairstow that walked out to bat in this test. That largely the same group of players with the same support staff can appear so empowered in one format and then look so devoid of confidence in another is puzzling. The key difference between the sides is of course the captain and I am of the opinion that is better for England to not have Root as captain as he is not a very good one and it is not worth waiting for him to develop into one as his batting in this format continues to regress.
For the next test I would drop Denly and call up Sibley. Burns, Sibley, Root, Roy, Stokes, Buttler, Curran, Woakes, Archer, Leach, Broad.
Does Dawid Malan have runs in county cricket?
Good post. Agree with pretty much all of it, particularly replacing Root as captain and allow him to concentrate on his batting. He's only averaging 42 with the bat since becoming captain (as against 54 previously) so we've lost a world-class player and gained an average captain.
Div 1 Top 3 English Batsmen:
Sibley 940 runs @ 62.66
Ballance 850 runs @ 56.66
Northeast 815 runs @ 62.69
Div 2 Top 3 English Batsmen:
Malan 885 runs @ 63.21
Vasconcelos 750 runs @ 46.87
Higgins 744 runs @ 67.63
Ballance and Malan weren't involved in the England Lions match vs the Australia XI. I think Denly was averaging more than everyone else listed here before this test.
Smith will finished the series with 5 hundreds.
Got to make up for the last 12 months
Smith will finished the series with 5 hundreds.
Got to make up for the last 12 months
Let's hope has a few more to give this series. We rely on him too much.
Looks like Anderson out for the series apparently.
If he doesn't recover by the end of the series it might well be the last time we see him in an England shirt. The next series in New Zealand hasn't even got test championship status, and we'll need pace bowlers in South Africa and Sri Lanka.
If he doesn't recover by the end of the series it might well be the last time we see him in an England shirt. The next series in New Zealand hasn't even got test championship status, and we'll need pace bowlers in South Africa and Sri Lanka.
Stokes Flakes Woakes must happen
I think Archer or Stone to come in for Anderson and possibly Leach for Moeen but i expect the others will be given another test.
It wouldn't surprise me if they don't take a chance on Archer's fitness after what's happened with Anderson.
It wouldn't surprise me if they don't take a chance on Archer's fitness after what's happened with Anderson.
Next Test is still just over a week away and Archer actually came on and fielded during 1st test which sort of indicates that England aren't overly worried about his fitness.
Interested to see how archer does in the long format. He was difficult to hit in the world cup, but will it get him wickets at test level?
Accurate 90+ MPH bowler who gets a bit of movement both ways? I'm sure he'll be fine.