Thought that went okay for Parkinson. Didn't threaten too much but didn't get bullied. Only the odd bad ball.
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Not a lot of spin, so he’s just got to keep it tight and wait for the misjudgement.
Probably needs a quicker stock ball to bowl on decks like this at Test level.
Parkinson another basic AF spinner, a lot of clubbies would hammer him all over the place
He's played loads of first class Cricket and this evidently does not happen?
You know you’re well in control when England start going to short-ball theory.
How long do England need to play test cricket to know that short balls are more effective as a change up rather than just flinging them in repetitively for 3-4 overs? If it wasn’t one your main ways to get a bat out when they are on 0 it’s not going to do much when they are on 50 odd.
Yeah, my suspicion is we'll end up coming to that conclusion but worth a try.
This is the problem with England. Other teams seems to have this ability with the bat to find a partnership. Which is exactly what tests are about, grinding out important runs and making totals. NZ have done nothing remarkable. But you have no doubt whatsoever that even if the bowlers now skittle the rest of NZ for a seemingly okay total - we will fall apart with the bat. McCullum has his hands full, that first innings collapse was a disgrace. The game should have been unassailable for NZ but nothing ever is with the way we bat.
It's difficult when you've only got one bloke who can bat.
Stokes is going to have to work on understanding when to contain. Not having a deep point in this moment of the game is baffling, at this stage you’re really just trying to stem the flow of runs until the next new ball. New Zealand and India are great at understanding when to attack and when to contain, create pressure and wait for the errors. Admittedly England are always much more obliging to such errors when they bat but England lack the savvy of the top, top sides.
But we seem to be underperforming even a pessimistic assessment of our players when it comes to the transition between first class cricket and tests. Their averages go to complete shit. They completely fall apart. I'm wondering why that should be the case. It's always been the case that some players have difficulty transitioning between the two, and some take to it and replicate or even exceed domestic performance. But at the moment everything we touch turns to shit with the bat.
does anyone actually still watch cricket? i gave up after those shocking indian pitches.
We're losing this, no way we're getting anywhere near 200, never mind the potential 300 we'll require.
other teams shouldn’t be allowed to score more than 150 against us for this reason. we invented the game, we should be able to invent new laws that suit us too. 150 and declare or the umpires walk off.
Can't help feeling we are paying a heavy price for not managing the workload of our express pacers earlier, mind you also doesn't help when your batters let them down.
Really??
Pray do tell, who is that??
Crawley do you mean?? As no one else got any runs of note in the first innings....
Very good fight back from the Kiwi pair. Morning session will be interesting with the new ball so close.
You're being very weird in this thread.
Agreed
Notice how the chirps from the Indian die-hards have subsided now New Zealand's middle order have established a partnership from a tricky position, thus proving what we had said at stumps day one, that there was nothing wrong with the pitch at all. In fact, it might even be the ideal test wicket.
You get pace and carry on day one and into day two and some extra movement for the seamers. After that, batting gets progressively easier over the middle part of the test, before day four and five sees the pitch deteriorating, which brings spinners into the equation. Crucially, with this kind of genuine test wicket, it is not always a 'no brainer' to bat first. A captain can take a calculated risk and say that if you bowl the opposition out cheaply, you might get the better of the batting conditions for your first dig (which England did get, and which they duly spurned), but in doing so, you risk having to bat last. It makes for an interesting test, generally.
This is in no way comparable to Ahmedabad deliberately serving up a dusty mess of a wicket that rags square from ball one and keeps on turning and deteriorating until the match wraps up.
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Quite the over from Broad. Must be the pitch.
That escalated quickly
Nice stat Andy Zaltzman ...
" That fifth wicket partnership was 195. Either side of that, New Zealand have scored 191 for 16. "
" That fifth wicket partnership was 195. Either side of that, New Zealand have scored 191 for 16. "
Shame Blundell couldn't get his 100.
England are probably going to lose this test but I like Stokes’ captaincy. Nice move to get Parkinson into the game.
Come on Parky, get yourself one here!
Whey! 
Potts seems to have greame Swann's ability to get a wicket in his first over of a spell
Good lad Parky.
277 to win.
277 to win.
Good fightback this morning but I just don't see England chasing 277.
I don't see us chasing anything over about 150.
I don't see us chasing anything over about 150.
Yeah we look a very poor batting team, with no one to look for in terms of inspiration sadly.
Gone are the days of Cook now.
We look very shaky indeed.
Maybe this is optimistic to most people but I'd say these four have an equal likelihood...
Bowled out under 100
100-200
200+ but falling short
Eng win
So toss two coins, get two heads for an England win.
Bowled out under 100
100-200
200+ but falling short
Eng win
So toss two coins, get two heads for an England win.
Important thing for England here is getting to the 30th over with as many wickets as in hand as possible. Once the ball gets soft, they can cash in.
Could have done with Leach here.
He's one of the few who is able to dig in and occupy the crease
He's one of the few who is able to dig in and occupy the crease
Anyone know what time lunch is?
The 1st 3 are all very possible. The last one, errrr.
Good to see how well the Pope at 3 experiment has gone ffs.