England in India 2021

zing said:
I think we have the best 25 players in the world by a significant margin, but not the best 11 definitively in any format. Tests arguably we do if we win away in England and NZ.
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If we win away in England and NZ, the team would be in contention for best ever with the great Windies and Aussie teams

Currently, they are more comparable to South Africa under Graeme Smith. Great but not all-time best material team.


Since October 2016, India have been the #1 ranked side for 44 months out of 54.

W/L over past 5 years - most matches won and the best W/L by some margin and they have played a full cycle of home and away over this period.

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SinNombre said:
If we win away in England and NZ, the team would be in contention for best ever with the great Windies and Aussie teams
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I get where you are coming from stats wise, but I think that misjudges the global impact those two sides had.

I'm not sure we'll ever see anything as era defining as those two teams ever again.
 
AshRK said:
Morgan is a brilliant skipper who likes to have his team play an exciting brand of cricket. Anyone saying otherwise or devaluing this English side are just bitter. If India or Kohli thinks this is the way we can win the next WC then we as Indian fans could be in for more disappointment. From Kohli's post match interview you could see he values loyalty and will not change the personnel or approach in ODI. I am glad he came to senses in T20s by saying he will open which is the right way to go about considering Suryakumar has shown what he can do at one down. Rohit Dhawan have been a valuable servant for India in ODIs but I feel one of them has to be dropped if not both. We need to groom the next batch and give them time before the next WC starts.
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Agreed. The next WC is 2 years away and Dhawan will be 38. Need to give chance to Shaw and Gill. Gill is an excellent limited overs player and I think guy like Shaw is a great addition for a home World Cup.
 
Bairstow the only opener ever to average over 50 at a SR of over 100 ( minimum 1000 runs). What an incredible Odi opener this guy is
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Bairstow the only opener ever to average over 50 at a SR of over 100 ( minimum 1000 runs). What an incredible Odi opener this guy is
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He seems to be a completely different kettle of fish compared to tests and t20s. A very impressive average to go with it as well. You can see after today why he gets bowled a lot, He seems to favour the lofted drives down the ground to cow corner thus opening himself up.
 
zing said:
Agreed. The next WC is 2 years away and Dhawan will be 38. Need to give chance to Shaw and Gill. Gill is an excellent limited overs player and I think guy like Shaw is a great addition for a home World Cup.
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Shaw's recent form in all formats has been horrendous and he really needs to turn it around or he is going to get left behind.
 
Tottenhamguy said:
He seems to be a completely different kettle of fish compared to tests and t20s. A very impressive average to go with it as well. You can see after today why he gets bowled a lot, He seems to favour the lofted drives down the ground to cow corner thus opening himself up.
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Whenever I see him open for Hyderabad in IPL, he looks amazing. He should open for England, playing him in middle order is waste of his talent.
 
AshRK said:
Whenever I see him open for Hyderabad in IPL, he looks amazing. He should open for England, playing him in middle order is waste of his talent.
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Agreed, If Alex Hales (Hopefully) gets recalled to the team then he should be in the batting order at number 3 and Joe Root at number 4.
 
Tottenhamguy said:
Shaw's recent form in all formats has been horrendous and he really needs to turn it around or he is going to get left behind.
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He just set the record for most runs in a domestic one day season or something like that.. made a double and a big century as well.
 
I wouldnt say this England side is the best batting line up in ODI history but (with Root) they are fun as feck, especially on flat wickets. I'd say they're one of the most explosive batting sides ever in LOI. The best I've seen, in terms of explosiveness, was India 2008-2011 - Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvi on that 2009 NZ were just scintillating.

I've no idea how they didnt win today - they were coasting after 14 overs. But then I guess thats what might separate them from the best ODI sides. The biggest difference between this England side and, for instance, the Indian team that won the 2011 WC is Tendulkar.

Comparing these two teams:

India had Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar, Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni and Yusuf.

England have Roy, Bairstow, Root, Stokes, Morgan, Buttler and Moeen.

During the years I've mentioned, the only real difference is the GOAT and Root. Two awesome ODI teams and so fricken similar actually.
 
zing said:
He just set the record for most runs in a domestic one day season or something like that.. made a double and a big century as well.
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Should of clarified international formats.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I wouldnt say this England side is the best batting line up in ODI history but (with Root) they are fun as feck, especially on flat wickets. I'd say they're one of the most explosive batting sides ever in LOI. The best I've seen, in terms of explosiveness, was India 2008-2011 - Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvi on that 2009 NZ were just scintillating.

I've no idea how they didnt win today - they were coasting after 14 overs. But then I guess thats what might separate them from the best ODI sides. The biggest difference between this England side and, for instance, the Indian team that won the 2011 WC is Tendulkar.

Comparing these two teams:

India had Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar, Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni and Yusuf.

England have Roy, Bairstow, Root, Stokes, Morgan, Buttler and Moeen.

During the years I've mentioned, the only real difference is the GOAT and Root. Two awesome ODI teams and so fricken similar actually.
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Maybe I am biased but that 2011 WC indian side was just magnificent and better than this England set up. I felt the way our selectors built our squad to 2011 WC after our 2007 debacle was absolutely brilliant. I remember Sachin used to ben rested for many bilateral ODI series thereby giving Kohli the chance. We also groomed the likes of Raina and even Rohit during that time. Our bowling, especially our spinners in Bhajji supported by a young Ashwin was also fun to watch. It was a brilliant 15 man squad that went to WC, probably minus Piyush Chawla.

And the best part was the domination did not end there, as we did win the champions trophy 2 years later and probably should have won the T20 WC which we lost because of Yuvi's bizarre innings.
 
AshRK said:
Maybe I am biased but that 2011 WC indian side was just magnificent and better than this England set up. I felt the way our selectors built our squad to 2011 WC after our 2007 debacle was absolutely brilliant. I remember Sachin used to ben rested for many bilateral ODI series thereby giving Kohli the chance. We also groomed the likes of Raina and even Rohit during that time. Our bowling, especially our spinners in Bhajji supported by a young Ashwin was also fun to watch. It was a brilliant 15 man squad that went to WC, probably minus Piyush Chawla.
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Yeah, I agree with you. That Indian team is one of the best ever.
 
Tottenhamguy said:
Shaw's recent form in all formats has been horrendous and he really needs to turn it around or he is going to get left behind.
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He failed in New Zealand ( where everybody did) and one test in Australia. After that he has broken most runs record in Vijay Hazare tournament with an average of 187. Was extremely unlucky not to be selected for this tournament
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Billings is an United fan, I read that he bonded with Dhoni due to watching United together.
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Yes.

Unfortunately Rishabh Pant was seen wearing a Liverpool jersey today so he's cancelled.
 
KM said:
Yes.

Unfortunately Rishabh Pant was seen wearing a Liverpool jersey today so he's cancelled.
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I think he just felt wearing red today because I remember him wearing blue United jersey.
 
Kohli loses the toss again :lol:

That makes it only 2 out of 11 times this series that India has won the toss. Incredible.
 
KM said:
Kohli loses the toss again :lol:

That makes it only 2 out of 11 times this series that India has won the toss. Incredible.
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Winning after losing 9 out of 11 tosses is ridiculous.
 
Bubz27 said:
Winning after losing 9 out of 11 tosses is ridiculous.
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The T20 win was excellent, but the pitch preparation for the tests was more important than any toss (apart from the first test). And India are playing against England's second-string bowling attack here.
 
JohnnyKills said:
The T20 win was excellent, but the pitch preparation for the tests was more important than any toss (apart from the first test). And India are playing against England's second-string bowling attack here.
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England are playing against Indian's second string bowling attack, too. No Bumrah, Jadeja, Ashwin, Shami.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
England are playing against Indian's second string bowling attack, too. No Bumrah, Jadeja, Ashwin, Shami.
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True, but India have more strength in depth in the bowling I reckon. Once you get past England's front-liners the level drops a lot. And some of our second-stringers (e.g. Stone), aren't here either.

At the moment I think England have more depth in top-order batting but India have far more bowlers to choose from.
 
JohnnyKills said:
True, but India have more strength in depth in the bowling I reckon. Once you get past England's front-liners the level drops a lot. And some of our second-stringers (e.g. Stone), aren't here either.

At the moment I think England have more depth in top-order batting but India have far more bowlers to choose from.
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I'm not sure, perhaps it's the fact that you're bowling first more often than not, but it feels like your second-string bowlers are sticking to some lovely line/length and moving the ball both ways.

Also, is it just me, or is this an abysmal scoring rate from India for this pitch? There's nothing in it, it baffles me how we're not attacking more. English openers are going to score this in 10 overs.
 
I've not been able to watch this morning but I'm not in a rush to with our bowling line up.
 
Man Kohli can't buy himself a century right now.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
I'm not sure, perhaps it's the fact that you're bowling first more often than not, but it feels like your second-string bowlers are sticking to some lovely line/length and moving the ball both ways.

Also, is it just me, or is this an abysmal scoring rate from India for this pitch? There's nothing in it, it baffles me how we're not attacking more. English openers are going to score this in 10 overs.
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Topley bowled well this morning but tbh we're not seeing a huge amount from the rest of the bowlers on show today.

Ideally you'd only want one of the Currans in your first-choice side I reckon. They're both cracking cricketers but they don't offer much wicket-taking threat, especially not with the white ball.
 
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