England in India 2021

zing said:
I wouldn’t be averse to bringing Ashwin back in. He is in top form and the World Cup is not many months away.

Rahul/Kishan, Rohit, Kohli, Surya, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Sundar/Shami, Bhuvi, Bumrah.

This would be my team.
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If he has a good IPL, I feel the management will be forced to bring him back. Still would have ashwin over chahal.
 
Definitely weird from how strong England looked a week ago to think how weak they look now. For my money the only players who there aren’t at least some questions over are Buttler (who I think is in the correct position), Rashid, and Archer – even Wood, who bowled beautifully at times, looks like he needs to be cleverer when the conditions aren’t in his favour and has looked vulnerable at the death in almost every game.

Roy knows his place and got runs, but I thought he looked scratchy throughout the series and hasn’t looked his usual self for a few years. Malan showed a lot of character, but there are question marks about his approach (hopefully he’ll get a hit for whatever the Punjab team are called now), Bairstow got runs and looked good, but is he really a 4 in T20s? Morgan at 5 doesn’t seem to have any impact on games with the bat and seems to want time to play himself in which he doesn’t get that low. Stokes is a complete spare part with bat and ball only matched by how pointless Curran‘s position in the team is, and Jordan just isn’t at the required standard.

It’s also the first series I’ve watched for a while where I’ve thought the opposition had a more dynamic and powerful batting line up.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Definitely weird from how strong England looked a week ago to think how weak they look now. For my money the only players who there aren’t at least some questions over are Buttler (who I think is in the correct position), Rashid, and Archer – even Wood, who bowled beautifully at times, looks like he needs to be cleverer when the conditions aren’t in his favour and has looked vulnerable at the death in almost every game.

Roy knows his place and got runs, but I thought he looked scratchy throughout the series and hasn’t looked his usual self for a few years. Malan showed a lot of character, but there are question marks about his approach (hopefully he’ll get a hit for whatever the Punjab team are called now), Bairstow got runs and looked good, but is he really a 4 in T20s? Morgan at 5 doesn’t seem to have any impact on games with the bat and seems to want time to play himself in which he doesn’t get that low. Stokes is a complete spare part with bat and ball only matched by how pointless Curran‘s position in the team is, and Jordan just isn’t at the required standard.

It’s also the first series I’ve watched for a while where I’ve thought the opposition had a more dynamic and powerful batting line up.
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Stokes at 3 for me. He's a stroke player in the power play not a power hitter.

I also think we have missed a trick not playing Ali into some form as a six hitter down the order and back up spinner.
 
Finding DK's analysis in skysports magnificent. Future commentator for sure.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Definitely weird from how strong England looked a week ago to think how weak they look now. For my money the only players who there aren’t at least some questions over are Buttler (who I think is in the correct position), Rashid, and Archer – even Wood, who bowled beautifully at times, looks like he needs to be cleverer when the conditions aren’t in his favour and has looked vulnerable at the death in almost every game.

Roy knows his place and got runs, but I thought he looked scratchy throughout the series and hasn’t looked his usual self for a few years. Malan showed a lot of character, but there are question marks about his approach (hopefully he’ll get a hit for whatever the Punjab team are called now), Bairstow got runs and looked good, but is he really a 4 in T20s? Morgan at 5 doesn’t seem to have any impact on games with the bat and seems to want time to play himself in which he doesn’t get that low. Stokes is a complete spare part with bat and ball only matched by how pointless Curran‘s position in the team is, and Jordan just isn’t at the required standard.

It’s also the first series I’ve watched for a while where I’ve thought the opposition had a more dynamic and powerful batting line up.
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Saw some stats on Reddit about how Buttler is way better up top than middle but I think England a team a team are better with Buttler in the middle. I don’t watch all the games but Bairstow looked great up top and looks a shadow of himself in the middle, does not have any access to the match.

Malan at 3 is another who might be upsetting everyone else’s roles.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Any disagreements now about India being favourites for the World Cup?
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I think they will be bookies favourite because they are at home but I still don't think there is much between the top sides . Even when England were winning I maintained the same thing that the margins are very small. I think talent wise India have an insane amount of talent but in the end you can only play 11 and teams like Eng,NZ,Aus and West Indies can matchup pretty well.

P.s I just checked the bookies and India are 3.5 while Aus & Eng are at 4. Before this series England were 3.5 so pretty much what I thought
 
Out of the last 32 matches across formats between the two teams, Eng have won a staggering 24 tosses. In the 8 tosses Ind have won, they have lost only once. Ind’s record when losing the toss to Eng - 11 wins, 12 losses, 1 draw.

This explains the whining from the English media about tosses and pitch conditions.

India wins the test series in the summer as long as they win 3/5 tosses imo.
 
It’s strange how an incredibly powerful lineup like England just five matches ago looks completely dazed and confused.
 
zing said:
Saw some stats on Reddit about how Buttler is way better up top than middle but I think England a team a team are better with Buttler in the middle. I don’t watch all the games but Bairstow looked great up top and looks a shadow of himself in the middle, does not have any access to the match.

Malan at 3 is another who might be upsetting everyone else’s roles.
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Completely agree. Good post.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Definitely weird from how strong England looked a week ago to think how weak they look now. For my money the only players who there aren’t at least some questions over are Buttler (who I think is in the correct position), Rashid, and Archer – even Wood, who bowled beautifully at times, looks like he needs to be cleverer when the conditions aren’t in his favour and has looked vulnerable at the death in almost every game.

Roy knows his place and got runs, but I thought he looked scratchy throughout the series and hasn’t looked his usual self for a few years. Malan showed a lot of character, but there are question marks about his approach (hopefully he’ll get a hit for whatever the Punjab team are called now), Bairstow got runs and looked good, but is he really a 4 in T20s? Morgan at 5 doesn’t seem to have any impact on games with the bat and seems to want time to play himself in which he doesn’t get that low. Stokes is a complete spare part with bat and ball only matched by how pointless Curran‘s position in the team is, and Jordan just isn’t at the required standard.

It’s also the first series I’ve watched for a while where I’ve thought the opposition had a more dynamic and powerful batting line up.
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I'm actually glad we've got these problems out in the open now. Better now than in the WC.

Agree with most of what you said. Here are some thoughts of mine:
- Agree about Roy. With Banton, Livingstone and Hales, it might be time for some experimenting this summer.
- Buttler still better for the team in the middle. We have no other proven finishers.
- Good innings from Malan yesterday but you've got to wonder whether he's the best occupant of that key role.
- Stokes needs to go higher up.
- Curran will be fine but clearly his bowling variations need work.
- Jordan looks the most vulnerable player in the side now. Surely Ali will be brought back in the summer.
 
Surprised to see Joe Root omitted, considering he averages over 50+ in ODI cricket, It must be due to this 'rotation' policy.

My line up for the first ODI in my opinion is as follows.

Jason Roy
Liam Livingstone
Jonny Bairstow
Eoin Morgan
Ben Stokes
Sam Billings
Sam Curran
Tom Curran
Matthew Parkinson
Mark Wood
Adil Rashid
 
AshRK said:


England odi squad announced. No root or archer.
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Seems very light on bowling. We knew about Archer but no Woakes, Stone or Mahmood either.

Guess it reflects the fact that ODIs are the lowest priority right now.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Seems very light on bowling. We knew about Archer but no Woakes, Stone or Mahmood either.

Guess it reflects the fact that ODIs are the lowest priority right now.
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It is very light on bowling and very reliant on the Wood stints. It may be that Stokes will be a primary front line bowler for the ODIs as there was criticism that he wasn't being used as either a batsmen or bowler in the T20's.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Seems very light on bowling. We knew about Archer but no Woakes, Stone or Mahmood either.

Guess it reflects the fact that ODIs are the lowest priority right now.
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Aren't every odi match important because of 2023 wc qualifications. England should be fine but I was going through the qualification process and only 7 top teams qualify directly plus the host(India). Rest will have to play qualifiers.

Honestly find this 10 team wc stupid. Cricket should grow. Sad only one from ireland Zimbabwe Afghanistan scotland Netherlands and among many other associate nations will qualify. 14 teams with 2 groups and a super six format (like in 1999 and 2003) is my favorite.
 
Kohli believes that England put pressure on Menon by claiming the catch and said that, had India done the same on a tour to England, they would have been heavily criticised.

“We have to consider how a fielding team responds to a dismissal that is claimed like that because you have to then question what the guidelines are and what the spirit of the game is,” he said. “If something like that happened with the India team overseas there would be a totally different conversation about the spirit of cricket.
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Kohli is absolutely spot on here. The way that Malan reacted after taking a catch was quite scummy.
 
KM said:
Kohli is absolutely spot on here. The way that Malan reacted after taking a catch was quite scummy.
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Kholi talking about pressuring referees. I’ll take that with an absolutely massive barrel of salt.
 
Dan_F said:
Kholi talking about pressuring referees. I’ll take that with an absolutely massive barrel of salt.
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Doesn't make his point wrong and besides it's not as if English guys didn't hound the umpires from third test onwards.
 
Hard to get particularly excited for this series but again it should be pretty close.

Very different approach to the first 20 overs than England will take.
 
KM said:
Doesn't make his point wrong and besides it's not as if English guys didn't hound the umpires from third test onwards.
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It’s not wrong, it’s just irrelevant. It’s like when football fans get on their high horse about an opposition player diving, like players in their team havent dived before. Ie. United fans moaning about Salah.
 
As an England fan this looks like it will be an uncomfortably high score, even for the World Champions :)
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
At the rate we're going, you'll chase it down in 30 overs.
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Isn't the average around double the score at 30 overs, so it doesn't look great in that respect but it should still be a run a ball minimum and I'm looking at the wickets column showing only 1, that's what worries me.

India have a license to let the shackles off now and England need wickets.
 
My comment was tongue in cheek, of course you won't chase it down in 30 (hopefully). We should have been more aggressive with our openers, though.

Edit: Dhawan seems to be making up his SR, so that's nice.
 
Should be 5-0 to India this series. England's bowling is about as penetrative as a water pistol in a knife fight.
 
ChrisNelson said:
Isn't the average around double the score at 30 overs, so it doesn't look great in that respect but it should still be a run a ball minimum and I'm looking at the wickets column showing only 1, that's what worries me.

India have a license to let the shackles off now and England need wickets.
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It used to be - but funnily enough the last 10 overs of an ODI are now the hardest to score runs in.

1-10 : 2 men outside of the ring
11-40: 4 men outside of the ring
41-50: 5 men outside of the ring
 
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