Just out of interest did you watch Stoke arguing with the umpires today in the morning when he thought saved one run(the batsman ran 3) and third umpired signaled four after checking on replays?
England in India 2021
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Just out of interest did you watch Stoke arguing with the umpires today in the morning when he thought saved one run(the batsman ran 3) and third umpired signaled four after checking on replays?
First the pitch. Then the umpires. Then Kohli. Good lord, some of the English supporters do love a moan.
England threw away the first innings. Umpire's call has gone their way multiple times. And any captain would be furious if such a plumb call was not given.
I was reading Jonathan Agnew's column on the BBC. He compared the pitch to a beach and wanted to explore if India could be docked points for that. The entitlement from people like him is astounding. Get better at the game instead of trying to tailor rules to your strengths, perhaps?
England threw away the first innings. Umpire's call has gone their way multiple times. And any captain would be furious if such a plumb call was not given.
I was reading Jonathan Agnew's column on the BBC. He compared the pitch to a beach and wanted to explore if India could be docked points for that. The entitlement from people like him is astounding. Get better at the game instead of trying to tailor rules to your strengths, perhaps?
It's a fine balance yeah, you want to let the umpires know when you're unhappy with them but you don't want to go too far.
These umpires need to be replaced.. they are terrible at being biased.
Spot on. The whining has been unbelievable.
Wonder what it will be on day four?
There's a clear and obvious difference between umpires call going your way and the third umpire not knowing the rules and fecking you over as happened with Rahane.
And kohli has been a dick this match, ranting at the umpires there, refusing to walk when being clean bowled etc.
The pitch is the pitch, England have batted poorly and India have batted well, two sensational innings from Rohit and Ashwin especially.
We need to improve how we bat in these conditions, no doubt.
India deserve the win obviously, they've battered us from the kohli wicket on the first day onwards. Shows you why India are so good at home, even if you manage to win one they just come back even stronger
Come on, let's not get so entrenched in our respective biases that people are going to deny that Kohli is a colossal cnut.
Totally.. no excuse for it. If the match ref is too much of a wuss to fine him, someone else should.
He complained after the umpire warned him about running across the pitch as well.
Michael Vaughan summarizing the day on Cricbuzz https://twitter.com/cricbuzz is very good.
Kohli is loud, confrontational, aggressive, animated and passionate. He is also one of the finest cricketers in the world and a decent captain. There will always be some charismatic larger than life characters in sport you will not warm up to.
Of course he is a cnut. But he is a cnut the same way Bruno is. You just happen to be on the other side.
Of course he is a cnut. But he is a cnut the same way Bruno is. You just happen to be on the other side.
Nah didn't watch that but if he was being argumentative with the Umpire then its out of order.
Agreed. I guess I'd like us to ruffle some feathers occasionally. I did once as a club captain take my entire team off the field once in a Derbyshire league game.... Which went well as you can no doubt imagine.
Some more stiff upper lip would be nice imo.
Exactly this. It's good captaincy from my point of view. The captain should demand better standards, but in the correct way obviously. Root should do more of this.
I agree with him when he says all this changing and chopping was too soon. Anderson should have played this match as he could have brought that control and restricted india to 250. It's like India going to England and winning the first test and then resting bumrah or Ashwin.
Again its a handful of supporters, pundits etc and you are conveniently grouping everything together when they are different things. Sick and tired of Indian supporters tarring everyone with the same brush. The pitch argument has been done to death and I've stated my feelings on that. The umpires argument is the two decisions yesterday both by the 3rd umpire which were shocking.
I did read Jonathan Agnew's column and while I can understand he coming from the perspective of test cricket should be appealing and hence why it should be over 5 days. Its not entitlement from him, just his opinion and its not something I agree with.
India have outperformed England in this test, end of story, England simply have not been good enough and that's why they will lose.
Michael Vaughan is a complete and utter tool. His opinions sway with the wind just like they did when India toured Australia. The man is a moron.
He certainly encapsulates an arrogant, unpleasant side of modern Indian cricket doesn't he, as does Shastri.
Mind you, the Aussies have been (and are probably still) as bad and England were probably pretty arrogant until everyone else caught up with them in the 1960s and 70s.
And yes, my tin hat is wedged firmly on in preparation for the inevitable abuse this comment will receive.
Agree 100%
Which teams were involved just out of interest? I know a few people who play or have played in the Derbyshire league in the top 2 divisions.
Off topic obviously so won't turn it in to a conversation, just curious.
He is a great analyst when he is not trying to act like a knob. I do agree with his point though. I know hindsight is funny but would have played Anderson for this one too. There is a one week rest before the next test so he could have played this as well as the next one.
Was div 8/9 Nutbrook 3rds. Not that high a standard as div 1/2 sadly where there were supplied umpires (Although they were often garbage).
Nutbrook 1's are that level or at least were at the time. I played for them back in the day occasionally.
Not really sure Anderson playing would have made much difference. Broad played and he only bowled 20 overs and the new ball was mostly used by the spinners in the end as it was more effective for them.
I think @zing got it spot on in that the crucial difference between this test and the last is the step up from Axar Patel from Nadeem and Sundar. There was no out bowler for England to go after.
He needs to stop running on the pitch.
I don't understand how people are easily dismissing this as a pitch that simply won't last 5 days. We batted for 180+ overs across both innings - could have been 200+ if we didn't go all guns blazing post Kohli's dismissal. How is it the pitch's fault that England have lost 13 wickets in less than 80 overs? At the very worst, it would be unplayable on day five - that happens many times, on many pitches all across the world. If England had won the toss and the shoe was on the other foot - do you think Agnew's column would be the same?
Moaning about the pitch and the umpires with a customary footnote of 'not taking credit away from India' is a sore loser's way of actually not giving credit to India. It is disrespectful to Rohit Sharma's classy century, it is disrespectful to Pant's cameos and keeping skills, it is disrespectful to India's young bowlers in Axar and Siraj and it is mostly disrespectful to Ashwin's brilliant 5-fer and gritty hundred. And that to me is way more 'bang out of order' than Kohli being aggressive with an umpire. You can punish 'unprofessionalism' with a fine, how do you punish decades of entitlement and condescension?
That said, I hope there is green on the pitch in the pink ball test, with reverse swing late into the night. I have tickets for day four and five, and would love to see Indian pacers replicate the spinner's exploits in person. Wonder what the columns on BBC will complain about, then.
I'd love to know where you live in Madras. They don't let you inside any store without a mask. They don't let you walk around in giant crowds on Marina or Besant Nagar beach. People wear masks everywhere. In fact the worst violators as far as I've observed apart from the very destitute (who get a pass) are non-Indian expats especially along the East Coast Road.
Re: Chennai. There was a five month lockdown beginning in March last year with police patrolling the streets. Chennai has been 'normal' for nearly half a year now save for cinemas (open at reduced capacity since December), schools and sports.
Re: The crowd. That is typical lackluster enforcement from the TNCA/BCCI. If cases spike after this, that's partly on them.
Believe me, many Indians will be delighted that you feel that way. They adore Shastri (in his playing days) and Kohli for exactly the reasons you've outlined. It comes from decades of watching Indian players take abuse from white players - something Pakistan's cricketers never put up with and a reason why Imran, Miandad (and Ranatunga) still have admirers in India.
The days of Brian "You can abuse the Indians all day long, they just nod their heads and carry on" Macmillan and Allan "raining rupees" Border are long gone.
He plays an idiot on twitter and treats that medium with the contempt it deserves. When he is asked to give serious opinions he is usually sensible.
Also, not relevant to today's decision I don't think, but hawkeye regularly fails to pick up the first impact, if it's small, and instead gives a reading based on the second impact. So when the ball slightly flicks the pad before it strikes the bat, hawkeye tells you whether or not the impact with the bat was inline.
Third umpires should just judge it themselves.
I think RedCafe would be in meltdown and Ole out of a job if Bruno wasn't allowed to run on the pitch.
Completely disagree with you about the umpires.
It's taking nothing away from India, because taking away the shocking umpire decisions India would have still comfortably won. Everyone keeps saying India deserve to win, they've played brilliantly.
I take it then if mentioning the umpires have been poor is a sign of entitlement and condescending behaviour for you that you've never criticised an umpire?
There's a load of people on this forum who are convinced that either Indian or English cricket fans are the most entitled moaners in the world and I'm increasingly convinced it's because they are the only two cricket teams this forum has more than the odd fan of.
When the South African cricket fans on Redcafe moan you don't notice.
When the South African cricket fans on Redcafe moan you don't notice.
I swear I’m seeing more people moaning about England fans than moaning England fans now 
That being said poor umpiring (both ways), not a great pitch and neither of those are reasons why we are going to lose this match, just weren’t good enough
That being said poor umpiring (both ways), not a great pitch and neither of those are reasons why we are going to lose this match, just weren’t good enough
Again you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about people taking credit away from India and the moaning from selected pundits, journos from England. People have opinions, that's their business. Lots of people in agreement that India have outplayed England here.
I swear I’m seeing more people moaning about England fans than moaning England fans now
That being said poor umpiring (both ways), not a great pitch and neither of those are reasons why we are going to lose this match, just weren’t good enough
Agreed.
Re: Covid in India.
It's pretty inexplicable what's going on. The country, for the most part, has decided to pretend Covid is no longer a thing. I live in Hyderabad, and people with masks are a rarity. Markets are bustling, temples are full, public transport is as crowded as ever. It's not the just the lower income/uneducated class - the malls are teeming with shoppers, the fancy streets and restaurants are still packed with traffic.
But ourreported cases aren't exploding, mortality rate keeps dropping. You may think the government might be fudging the numbers so the economy isn't forced to shut down - but that doesn't explain how the hospitals are not being overloaded - I have doctors as friends in quite a few major hospitals and they're equally surprised at how their resources aren't under pressure.
Perhaps the infection rate wasn't tracked properly earlier and we already have herd immunity in some of the big cities, perhaps life in a varied, polluted, heavy viral-load based environment has already given us better immunity. Perhaps the new strains haven't yet hit our populations with the ferocity being witnessed in Europe. There will be a documentary about it, one day.
But back to the point - the crowds in Chennai are nothing to be alarmed about in the Indian context of Covid - Indians are getting away with far far more crowded/maskless gatherings without any visible statistical consequences.
It's pretty inexplicable what's going on. The country, for the most part, has decided to pretend Covid is no longer a thing. I live in Hyderabad, and people with masks are a rarity. Markets are bustling, temples are full, public transport is as crowded as ever. It's not the just the lower income/uneducated class - the malls are teeming with shoppers, the fancy streets and restaurants are still packed with traffic.
But ourreported cases aren't exploding, mortality rate keeps dropping. You may think the government might be fudging the numbers so the economy isn't forced to shut down - but that doesn't explain how the hospitals are not being overloaded - I have doctors as friends in quite a few major hospitals and they're equally surprised at how their resources aren't under pressure.
Perhaps the infection rate wasn't tracked properly earlier and we already have herd immunity in some of the big cities, perhaps life in a varied, polluted, heavy viral-load based environment has already given us better immunity. Perhaps the new strains haven't yet hit our populations with the ferocity being witnessed in Europe. There will be a documentary about it, one day.
But back to the point - the crowds in Chennai are nothing to be alarmed about in the Indian context of Covid - Indians are getting away with far far more crowded/maskless gatherings without any visible statistical consequences.
I swear I’m seeing more people moaning about England fans than moaning England fans now
That being said poor umpiring (both ways), not a great pitch and neither of those are reasons why we are going to lose this match, just weren’t good enough
Defo mate, very odd.
I have to disagree, he regularly gives predictions and analysis before series or on matters then u turns straight away. He reminds me of a politician who made a commitment then suddenly decides to airbrush what he said. I can't stand him.
He's quite an outspoken Tory, shockingly enough.
He also can't handle the truth when anyone points it out to him. Why we in England pander to the man I would never understand.
Oh yeah and, as well as that, like all things we like cnuts when they play for us and hate them when they play for the other side. And it's that drive and passion that's got them to where they are.
But I do think Kohli too regularly crosses from standing up for his side into being abusive. The carry on today was pathetic as it often is with him.
Such a long post with absolute garbage . No one has taken anything away from Rohit Sharma or Ashwin or India for that matter . Absolutely everyone has said that India have been by far the better team .If anything people have actually been praising them more for batting so well on this wicket . You just want to ignore that
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