England Euro 2024 Squad and Discussion

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Didn't see anything to suggest England's knockout team won't be the simplest lineup with everyone in basically the same spot they play for their club (Bellingham in his role at Dortmund):

--------------Kane-----------
Gordon-Bellingham--Saka
------Rice------Wharton-----
Shaw-Guehi-Stones--Walker
--------------Pickford-------------

If Bellingham or Saka play like a star you can win the tourney. Less variables. Guys like Foden, Trent and Palmer are good bench options who can create if you need a goal in a 2nd half.

Gordon probably isn't ready, but Grealish isn't in the team (who knows, maybe he looked meh during training, though he did play better than pretty much everyone else in the last friendly) so there's not really an obvious candidate there.
Yeah, thats how i'd go too. I'd probably sub Wharton after an hour or so. Just seems a lot to put on a player of his age and experience. I guess the score / the match would decide who i replace him with.
I'd be tempted to play trent ahead of walker. Dont think you play a high enough line or dominate the ball enough to really take advantage of Walker to his full cheat code ability and that midfield looks pretty good for covering space and backing up the defence. Bellingham is pretty good for that
 
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I'll be disappointed if he doesn't give Wharton and eze some decent minutes in the groups . He's brought them , now he needs to play them, otherwise , what was the point .
 
You know Southgate is just going to slog through these games with minimal risk until someone has a go and beats you.

Serbia was close.

I’d take out Foden at this point and play Eze or Gordon. Play Wharton or Mainoo instead of TAA.
 
Sad because this is pretty easily the best chance England have for winning a major tourney, and it's not like benching big names means you are never allowed to sub them on.

Honestly I think England fans would understand more if he DID bench big names because at least it would show some balls to make a tough decision instead of just repeating the same mistakes that England managers have done for years.

England had a pretty good chance at the last Euros but Southgate's diabolical handling of the pk shootout should have resulted in his sacking but it didn't. England have a marginally lesser chance now than four years ago, but they still have Southgate. The good news for England is that they beat a tough opponent while still playing fairly poorly and one player forced into a position he's not equipped for.

But does Southgate have the balls to bench Trent? I think so. But does he have the balls to bench Harry? Probably not.
 
England had a pretty good chance at the last Euros but Southgate's diabolical handling of the pk shootout should have resulted in his sacking but it didn't. England have a marginally lesser chance now than four years ago, but they still have Southgate. The good news for England is that they beat a tough opponent while still playing fairly poorly and one player forced into a position he's not equipped for.

But does Southgate have the balls to bench Trent? I think so. But does he have the balls to bench Harry? Probably not.

I mean I think the better play is to bench Walker for Trent and move Wharton/Mainoo into that midfield. Unless you're playing France and Mbappe there's no real point to having Walker there over Trent.

I've said Kane should be benched ages ago, but that's never happening. That goal record of his looks half decent until you realize it's padded to hell, and I've yet to see him impress against a good side.
 
Has Foden ever played well for England? My biggest fear with him is that he is not naturally a creative player. In fact none of England midfielders are hence why Trent has a chance getting into the team.

England are a team that doesn’t have an outstanding creator (KDB/Bruno level) and also doesn’t combine well enough to create as a team. Added to this is the lack of a player who can control games (Rodri/Jorginho) and you are left with a team that should be a counter attacking team like France are but doesn't have enough pace upfront (Mbappe/Dembele).

Damn….Im not sure I know what kind of team England are.
 
No I'm not concerned by long passes, I believe short passes are a lot more important. The ability to quickly and accurately move the ball with short passes that are intelligent choices. Some medium passes as well are crucial on top of that.
Whilst what you say has merit, and does carry weight at the highest levels of competition, the most fundamentally important thing a team typically needs is a midfield that can control and dictate the tempo of a game, be that to speed up the play, slow it down or drain the optimism out of the opposition, which leads to the enthusiasm in the press dissipating. That in turn allows your own side to start being more expansive and probing with their passing - taking risks that don't compromise the shape of the team nor allow the opposition the opportunity to counter at pace.

England need to sort out those fundamentals before worrying about expansive passes and probing because that's no good if every time you lose the ball, the collective take an age to win it back and also have little time resting in possession when they do. That leads to exhaustion and considerably diminished performance levels in the second half of games as well as panic and terrible decision making once the concentration levels assuredly drop.

You don't have to control the game via possession, but if that's not your route, you have to be oppressive in another manner with a midfield that is specialised and capable of facilitating whatever the attack needs - think of Klopp and his unspectacular midfield doing the grunt work to allow Mane Firminho and Salah as well as TAA and Robertson all that they needed to constantly work over the opposition. But of course, Southgate is a donkey, so there's no point to considering him competent enough to set up a midfield to deliver with a focus on uniformity.

England don't have the midfield unit to play highly intricate technical football, but they most certainly have the personnel to dictate tempo and better control game management into the second halves of games, and the better you can do that, the less reliance there is on a maestro who can bypass the more perfunctory with a single, penetrative pass.

If you're looking for a Scholes/Xavi/Pirlo/Kroos etc. level passer, England don't have one of those, but teams like Klopp's have shown you don't need one if you know what you are doing and can execute it to the letter as a unit. The only reason this side resorts to amateurish hoofball in second halves of games is their manager and his inability to instruct or instill calm. Not one of the players in midfield come from hoofball at club level, so it should be no surprise they are extraordinarily shit at it as it's alien to them. Wharton or Mainoo in there, with a coach that encourages constructive build up through the midfield, and the side wouldn't look half as bad as Southgate makes it look.
 
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It's madness that Kane and Rice remain automatic starters no matter what. Rice is just meh and Kane looks miles off it. Also, trying to shoehorn Foden in is ridiculous.
 
I know, but if you add Rashford that's five players that if were on form would completely change the game for England. Big loss for this tournament.
Despite Rashford and Grealish not being on form – or even close to it this season...I would still have been tempted to have taken them.

I didn't think Rashford was playing that well before the World Cup – but when he did come on and play I thought he was one of our best players – and was a legitimate goal threat.

The biggest thing is that they offer something different – and having that is vital in tournament football IMO. Having said that, Southgate isn't the type to react to how the match is going, and then make astute tactical changes...so maybe it's a moot point!
 
It's madness that Kane and Rice remain automatic starters no matter what. Rice is just meh and Kane looks miles off it. Also, trying to shoehorn Foden in is ridiculous.

Barely had the ball and almost scored when he did get it, what a strange comment.
 
Whilst what you say has merit, and does carry weight at the highest levels of competition, the most fundamentally important thing a team typically needs is a midfield that can control and dictate the tempo of a game, be that to speed up the play, slow it down or drain the optimism out of the opposition, which leads to the enthusiasm in the press dissipating. That in turn allows your own side to start being more expansive and probing with their passing - taking risks that don't compromise the shape of the team nor allow the opposition the opportunity to counter at pace.

England need to sort out those fundamentals before worrying about expansive passes and probing because that's no good if every time you lose the ball, the collective take an age to win it back and also have little time resting in possession when they do. That leads to exhaustion and considerably diminished performance levels in the second half of games as well as panic and terrible decision making once the concentration levels assuredly drop.

You don't have to control the game via possession, but if that's not your route, you have to be oppressive in another manner with a midfield that is specialised and capable of facilitating whatever the attack needs - think of Klopp and his unspectacular midfield doing the grunt work to allow Mane Firminho and Salah as well as TAA and Robertson all that they needed to constantly work over the opposition. But of course, Southgate is a donkey, so there's no point to considering him competent enough to set up a midfield to deliver with a focus on uniformity.

England don't have the midfield unit to play highly intricate technical football, but they most certainly have the personnel to dictate tempo and better control game management into the second halves of games, and the better you can do that, the less reliance there is on a maestro who can bypass the more perfunctory with a single, penetrative pass.

If you're looking for a Scholes/Xavi/Pirlo/Kroos etc. level passer, England don't have one of those, but teams like Klopp's have shown you don't need one if you know what you are doing and can execute it to the letter as a unit. The only reason this side resorts to amateurish hoofball in second halves of games is their manager and his inability to instruct or instill calm. Not one of the players in midfield come from hoofball at club level, so it should be no surprise they are extraordinarily shit at it as it's alien to them. Wharton or Mainoo in there, with a coach that encourages constructive build up through the midfield, and the side wouldn't look half as bad as Southgate makes it look.
I agree with you but we don't have any players that dictate play for their teams, none are that player. I think that's so far out of our reach I didn't bother to mention it.

I do think something closer to klopp is more realistic, lots of hard work, but we don't seem to press much and I don't know how tired players are at the end of the season.
 
Has Foden ever played well for England? My biggest fear with him is that he is not naturally a creative player. In fact none of England midfielders are hence why Trent has a chance getting into the team.

England are a team that doesn’t have an outstanding creator (KDB/Bruno level) and also doesn’t combine well enough to create as a team. Added to this is the lack of a player who can control games (Rodri/Jorginho) and you are left with a team that should be a counter attacking team like France are but doesn't have enough pace upfront (Mbappe/Dembele).

Damn….Im not sure I know what kind of team England are.
I don't think Foden lacks creativity. He's just so used to a system/decisionmaking patterns at his club that he has a hard time adjusting to Southgate's approach. He needs to be used as an impact sub or more centrally. He's wasted out on the wing.
 
I agree with you but we don't have any players that dictate play for their teams, none are that player. I think that's so far out of our reach I didn't bother to mention it.

I do think something closer to klopp is more realistic, lots of hard work, but we don't seem to press much and I don't know how tired players are at the end of the season.
They are all part of collectives who do move the ball around, though, and they play their part in those chains, handling the ball considerably better than they do for the NT.

You keep looking for *that* player, in this case, some special metronome and whilst that is optimal, it doesn't mean a unit can't play a remnant of that style successfully, or at least successfully enough to achieve their objectives. And also with Kane as a hub, England have both the best passing and holder of the ball to play others in #9 at the tournament. In other words, there's plenty of workarounds, if the collective were being trained and drilled that way.

Southgate has no style and no semblance of midfield construction, which is the downfall here because he won't put the midfield together in a coherent way that best benefits the unit itself and those ahead of the ball.

England don't need to be able to control midfield to the extent of a Spain or Croatia to be very dangerous as the forward line would be one of, if not the most dangerous in the competition if utilised correctly.

There's no need for any one hero midfielder; like how Brighton perform as a unit, so too should England, but for a manager who is incapable.
 
They are all part of collectives who do move the ball around, though, and they play their part in those chains, handling the ball considerably better than they do for the NT.

You keep looking for *that* player, in this case, some special metronome and whilst that is optimal, it doesn't mean a unit can't play a remnant of that style successfully, or at least successfully enough to achieve their objectives. And also with Kane as a hub, England have both the best passing and holder of the ball to play others in #9 at the tournament. In other words, there's plenty of workarounds, if the collective were being trained and drilled that way.

Southgate has no style and no semblance of midfield construction, which is the downfall here because he won't put the midfield together in a coherent way that best benefits the unit itself and those ahead of the ball.

England don't need to be able to control midfield to the extent of a Spain or Croatia to be very dangerous as the forward line would be one of, if not the most dangerous in the competition if utilised correctly.

There's no need for any one hero midfielder; like how Brighton perform as a unit, so too should England, but for a manager who is incapable.
You are suggesting kane drops deep to deliver to another 9?
 
You are suggesting kane drops deep to deliver to another 9?
No, to remain where he is and be used as part of the passing chains capable of playing the wide attackers in and running on himself then.

The midfield essentially becomes a diamond or box depending on movements, before the progression starts.
 
No, to remain where he is and be used as part of the passing chains capable of playing the wide attackers in and running on himself then.

The midfield essentially becomes a diamond or box depending on movements, before the progression starts.
But when teams like Serbia are densely packed that's not easy.
 
But when teams like Serbia are densely packed that's not easy.
Part of that unlocks the wide men - you cannot densely populate the middle of the pitch and protect your wings at the same time.

Saka scared the life out of Serbia essentially by himself; in a cohesive unit - like he gets at his club - the opening up of play would lead to several exploits and spaces for - in this case - Kane to run into.

Bellingham has been playing a variation of this all season in a team that didn't even have a striker. England have the tools to do similar.

A front line of even Gordon, Kane and Saka, (with Kane dropping back as he does at Bayern to feed the flanks) prevents severe encroachment in midfield because they prevent the FB's from supporting properly (again, just as Saka did all by himself for periods last game). You don't need a godly set of passers in midfield to make good use of the above, just serviceable ones with a clear idea of what they're being instructed to do.

Operating between the lines in that kind of set up is bread and butter for Mainoo, btw, and it doesn't require particular ambitious passing as the onus is on movement and reacting to the spaces as and when they arise - there'll not be many times when neither Gordon or Saka aren't open for a basic progression, but the question is whether the players are actively coached to look for such exploits and not only hit the pass, but follow in on it too. This is where a team like Brighton, with a set of quite modest players, often look levels up as a passing unit. England are perfectly capable of that with their personnel.
 
Part of that unlocks the wide men - you cannot densely populate the middle of the pitch and protect your wings at the same time.

Saka scared the life out of Serbia essentially by himself; in a cohesive unit - like he gets at his club - the opening up of play would lead to several exploits and spaces for - in this case - Kane to run into.

Bellingham has been playing a variation of this all season in a team that didn't even have a striker. England have the tools to do similar.

A front line of even Gordon, Kane and Saka, (with Kane dropping back as he does at Bayern to feed the flanks) prevents severe encroachment in midfield because they prevent the FB's from supporting properly (again, just as Saka did all by himself for periods last game). You don't need a godly set of passers in midfield to make good use of the above, just serviceable ones with a clear idea of what they're being instructed to do.

Operating between the lines in that kind of set up is bread and butter for Mainoo, btw, and it doesn't require particular ambitious passing as the onus is on movement and reacting to the spaces as and when they arise - there'll not be many times when neither Gordon or Saka aren't open for a basic progression, but the question is whether the players are actively coached to look for such exploits and not only hit the pass, but follow in on it too. This is where a team like Brighton, with a set of quite modest players, often look levels up as a passing unit. England are perfectly capable of that with their personnel.
I think what saka did is being overrated, we didn't make many chances even though he was our most dangerous player.
 
I think what saka did is being overrated, we didn't make many chances even though he was our most dangerous player.
That's not the point; he was occupying 2 or 3 at a time. With organised tactics, those are massive gaps to exploit, which is what I highlighted in previous post.

It's all incohesive under Southgate and looks like a bunch of individuals who don't know what they're supposed to be doing. An organised side would be doing everything in their power to exploit the space and further discombobulate Serbia's panicked backline. Basically, driving a wedge through the gaps Saka was providing.

Southgate doesn't have the fullbacks join with any rhythm either. The team is basically a reflection of him, and that's a big problem because he won't commit to anything that involves risk, whilst also not being particularly great at setting up a negative team who are at least lethal on the counter.

I feel your focus revolves too much around the individual, as you are repeating the mantra around the pitch: DLP to metronomes and now a specific focus on what Saka did by himself rather than how it could and should aid the team; if you actually look at England as a collective, you would see that's where their strength actually lies, and it's why I said there aren't many in the competition who could handle the bunch in an actual solid and exacting flow state. Problem, again, is that under Southgate the unit isn't a unit, but rather a stuttery mess relying on individual moments of brilliance rather than the massive amount of pressure they would be capable of under a good coach.

Still, him just putting the correct players in the respective positions at least gives better balance and a sense of order they themselves might muddle through.
 
It's madness that Kane and Rice remain automatic starters no matter what. Rice is just meh and Kane looks miles off it. Also, trying to shoehorn Foden in is ridiculous.

Serbia's system was set up to starve Kane, and did so relatively well, but he was pretty much impeccable every time we did manage to get the ball near him. Hold-up play was exquisite with defenders practically wrestling him to the ground.

And Rice was good too, energetic, tidy, broadly in the right place at the right time.

Agreed on Foden. Works in Guardiola's system, not England's. Should have brought Grealish. Since we didn't, we should either play Gordon for a wide forward (don't fancy his quality much personally) or Eze for a creative wide midfielder.
 
That's not the point; he was occupying 2 or 3 at a time. With organised tactics, those are massive gaps to exploit, which is what I highlighted in previous post.

It's all incohesive under Southgate and looks like a bunch of individuals who don't know what they're supposed to be doing. An organised side would be doing everything in their power to exploit the space and further discombobulate Serbia's panicked backline. Basically, driving a wedge through the gaps Saka was providing.

Southgate doesn't have the fullbacks join with any rhythm either. The team is basically a reflection of him, and that's a big problem because he won't commit to anything that involves risk, whilst also not being particularly great at setting up a negative team who are at least lethal on the counter.

I feel your focus revolves too much around the individual, as you are repeating the mantra around the pitch: DLP to metronomes and now a specific focus on what Saka did by himself rather than how it could and should aid the team; if you actually look at England as a collective, you would see that's where their strength actually lies, and it's why I said there aren't many in the competition who could handle the bunch in an actual solid and exacting flow state. Problem, again, is that under Southgate the unit isn't a unit, but rather a stuttery mess relying on individual moments of brilliance rather than the massive amount of pressure they would be capable of under a good coach.

Still, him just putting the correct players in the respective positions at least gives better balance and a sense of order they themselves might muddle through.
I think you are probably right, but I think you are overrating how strong it would be. I don't think we have the best squad, and anything we do, within reason, France do better.
 
I think you are probably right, but I think you are overrating how strong it would be. I don't think we have the best squad, and anything we do, within reason, France do better.
Well, wouldn't it be nice to go out on your shield knowing that was the best this particular collective could give, rather, than with a whimper playing poor, panicked and disjointed football that this set of players are better than?
 
I don't think I can never really remember Kane delivering in the international tournaments. It's his penalties that really prop up his scoring record. It's frustrating when he drops deep but he often looks isolated when he stays up top for England.
 
I mean I think the better play is to bench Walker for Trent and move Wharton/Mainoo into that midfield. Unless you're playing France and Mbappe there's no real point to having Walker there over Trent.

I've said Kane should be benched ages ago, but that's never happening. That goal record of his looks half decent until you realize it's padded to hell, and I've yet to see him impress against a good side.
Yup, it’s quite something that Trent has played RB for one the best sides in Europe and one of the best managers in the world for many years. Reaching champions league finals etc but Mr Gareth Southgate doesn’t think he’s capable of playing at right back.
What Trippier is doing starting games after the end of season he’s had is insane. The ship has sailed with the no left back so just stick Walker there and Trent at right back. Don’t stick an out of form player out of position. Put Mainoo or Wharton in midfield to have that calm passer who can play from deeper areas. Trent ain’t a fecking central midfielder and no England manager post Gareth is going to play him there.
 
Yup, it’s quite something that Trent has played RB for one the best sides in Europe and one of the best managers in the world for many years. Reaching champions league finals etc but Mr Gareth Southgate doesn’t think he’s capable of playing at right back.
What Trippier is doing starting games after the end of season he’s had is insane. The ship has sailed with the no left back so just stick Walker there and Trent at right back. Don’t stick an out of form player out of position. Put Mainoo or Wharton in midfield to have that calm passer who can play from deeper areas. Trent ain’t a fecking central midfielder and no England manager post Gareth is going to play him there.

Southgate is a very reactionary manager. The time to put Trent in CM was when we had no CM's instead Trent was not selected.

Now we have 2 good CM's coming through, he decides to put TAA in there.

Its the same with every position, I recall Grealish in the last Euros, was in form but he was not played there.

I also recall that Southgate said that Foden cant play 10 because he doesn't play there for his club... well TAA does not play CM for his club but again, hypocrite Southgate ey..
 
Well, wouldn't it be nice to go out on your shield knowing that was the best this particular collective could give, rather, than with a whimper playing poor, panicked and disjointed football that this set of players are better than?
Fair, but I think he's in a position where he's going to be criticized either way if we lose.
 
Fair, but I think he's in a position where he's going to be criticized either way if we lose.
I'm incredibly harsh on him because he's shockingly out of his depth, but I think I'm like many others in giving credit if it's due.

If someone is just better than you, it's different to you throwing glue on the floor, trapsing in it and then wondering why you're stuck.
 
Yup, it’s quite something that Trent has played RB for one the best sides in Europe and one of the best managers in the world for many years. Reaching champions league finals etc but Mr Gareth Southgate doesn’t think he’s capable of playing at right back.
What Trippier is doing starting games after the end of season he’s had is insane. The ship has sailed with the no left back so just stick Walker there and Trent at right back. Don’t stick an out of form player out of position. Put Mainoo or Wharton in midfield to have that calm passer who can play from deeper areas. Trent ain’t a fecking central midfielder and no England manager post Gareth is going to play him there.

Thats mor eon klopp than anything. TAA is a poor defender. He has little in the way of defensive instinct. Hes a great passer of the ball. One of th ebest around right now.

Klopp set up the team so that his defensive problems were covered. He isn't a right back, Liverpool played him more like we used beckham, but without the mobility.

England don't set up like that, and have not got the players to cover for TAA in the same way liverpool have in the past. We invite pressure, and he would be exposed badly as a right back. Walker is simply a better defender, and because Southgate plays such a rigid, traditional set up, it is the defender we need in that position.
 
Southgate is a very reactionary manager. The time to put Trent in CM was when we had no CM's instead Trent was not selected.

Now we have 2 good CM's coming through, he decides to put TAA in there.

Its the same with every position, I recall Grealish in the last Euros, was in form but he was not played there.

I also recall that Southgate said that Foden cant play 10 because he doesn't play there for his club... well TAA does not play CM for his club but again, hypocrite Southgate ey..

Honestly he’s a fecking idiot. Every tournament he does something just so stupid. We literally have 3 players who’ve had exceptional ends to the season who play as central midfield players week in week out. He just makes things up to suit whatever decision he’s made in the team that is obviously the incorrect one.

Thats mor eon klopp than anything. TAA is a poor defender. He has little in the way of defensive instinct. Hes a great passer of the ball. One of th ebest around right now.

Klopp set up the team so that his defensive problems were covered. He isn't a right back, Liverpool played him more like we used beckham, but without the mobility.

England don't set up like that, and have not got the players to cover for TAA in the same way liverpool have in the past. We invite pressure, and he would be exposed badly as a right back. Walker is simply a better defender, and because Southgate plays such a rigid, traditional set up, it is the defender we need in that position.
Trent Alexander Arnold is a right back. That’s where he’s played for Liverpool for about eight years at an extremely high level. His position is right back. When Trent is on the field he is in the right back position because he’s a right back. Liverpool did not use Trent at right midfield like Beckham. He played at right back, so let’s just end that untruth there and then. Liverpool did not play 8 seasons without a right back.

We know Trent isn’t as strong defensively as Walker or that defending is his strongest attribute. The answer to solving that is most certainly not to play him in midfield. And one could very very easily argue that the high line Liverpool played exposed Trent.
For someone lacking natural defensive instincts and reactions it is much easier to defend in a lower block and with a less open team. So again, kind of an untruth that he’d be exposed any more for England than he would for Liverpool.

And also Kieran Trippier is at left back who is not particularly great defensively either. And is out of position and is out of form and is not fully fit and isn’t anywhere near the level of Trent going forward.
Trent at right back and Walker at left back makes 100 x more sense than anything else with the conditions currently in this England team. “A rigid transitional set up” would surely help Trent not be exposed as much? As opposed to you know a high line, high press, highly exposed defensive set up…
 
I honestly get the sense Southgate picks his teams and tactics based on what’s trending on Twitter and articles in the Athletic and the Guardian.
 
Honestly he’s a fecking idiot. Every tournament he does something just so stupid. We literally have 3 players who’ve had exceptional ends to the season who play as central midfield players week in week out. He just makes things up to suit whatever decision he’s made in the team that is obviously the incorrect one.

I mean it is a joke. He is just so crap as a manager. How do we have such attacking talent and play defensive, go 1-0 up and hold. I watched the England game and numerous occasions, TAA and RIce could not find Jude in the 10, when he has so much space. TAA is always looking for the Hollywood ball because that is what he is known for and gets twitter clips. Rice is just looking to pass backwards and not looking to break lines.

He has 2 midfielders that can do it, play them.
 
Yup, it’s quite something that Trent has played RB for one the best sides in Europe and one of the best managers in the world for many years. Reaching champions league finals etc but Mr Gareth Southgate doesn’t think he’s capable of playing at right back.
What Trippier is doing starting games after the end of season he’s had is insane. The ship has sailed with the no left back so just stick Walker there and Trent at right back. Don’t stick an out of form player out of position. Put Mainoo or Wharton in midfield to have that calm passer who can play from deeper areas. Trent ain’t a fecking central midfielder and no England manager post Gareth is going to play him there.
Southgate makes really weird, nonsensical decisions for seemingly no reason. It's like when he randomly decided Trippier would start at LB instead of an in-form Shaw in the Euro 2020 opener

There's literally no reason whatsoever to do it, he has fit and in-form players that are natural in those positions, that he himself selected, and then he just decides to not play them and play someone else out of position instead.

Has he seen how Pep plays midfielders in defence and defenders in midfield and decided to get in on the action? Except in a completely inept and clueless manner?
 
Thats mor eon klopp than anything. TAA is a poor defender. He has little in the way of defensive instinct. Hes a great passer of the ball. One of th ebest around right now.

Klopp set up the team so that his defensive problems were covered. He isn't a right back, Liverpool played him more like we used beckham, but without the mobility.

England don't set up like that, and have not got the players to cover for TAA in the same way liverpool have in the past. We invite pressure, and he would be exposed badly as a right back. Walker is simply a better defender, and because Southgate plays such a rigid, traditional set up, it is the defender we need in that position.

Yeah this is just untrue. TAA isn't some world class defender but he's not nearly as bad as you're making out :lol:
 
I mean it is a joke. He is just so crap as a manager. How do we have such attacking talent and play defensive, go 1-0 up and hold. I watched the England game and numerous occasions, TAA and RIce could not find Jude in the 10, when he has so much space. TAA is always looking for the Hollywood ball because that is what he is known for and gets twitter clips. Rice is just looking to pass backwards and not looking to break lines.

He has 2 midfielders that can do it, play them.

Yeah it's really not rocket science. Honestly you could even play both Mainoo and Wharton and make it into a diamond with Jude up top and TAA at RB. You'd have more than enough covering legs and with Wharton and Mainoo behind Jude there would be 0 problem progressing the ball forward. There are so many ways he could setup a quality midfield and sticking a guy who simply doesn't play there ever in at CM is NOT the answer.
 
Yeah it's really not rocket science. Honestly you could even play both Mainoo and Wharton and make it into a diamond with Jude up top and TAA at RB. You'd have more than enough covering legs and with Wharton and Mainoo behind Jude there would be 0 problem progressing the ball forward. There are so many ways he could setup a quality midfield and sticking a guy who simply doesn't play there ever in at CM is NOT the answer.

yep, the thing is even Germany dont play Kimmich in CM. It takes a proper manager to realise what he has in terms of squad quality.

Southgate is just reacting to what the media want, which is why most times his team is so unbalanced.

He even struggles to get Kane in the game, I mean with the attack he has, no one can pass to Kane?
 
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