England Euro 2024 Squad and Discussion

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Southgate is a fraud.

Continually handed piss routes to semis and finals and fails at the first sign of a semi decent team.

Can’t think of a game where we’ve exceeded expectations in his whole tenure.
 
So does England sacrifice everything a 10 should bring you and stick Foden into complete limbo just to get Bellingham closer to trailing in the box for headers? He used to be the most dominant future box to box midfielder maybe in the world and now he’s a better version of Dele Ali it looks like.

The whole team is dysfunctional and primarily misused or out of position.

Foden looks devoid of belief in everything they do.

Was miserable compared to the other favorites.
 
Gone backwards as a side which is some achievement given that the amount of talent has increased. :lol: classic Southgate.

There was a graphic yesterday which showed English players had scored c. 80 goals more than their counterparts but they look the least like scoring.

Unfortunately, that graphic was English Premier league goals, so England were always likely to be top of that stat.
 
How many shots did we have in the 2nd half? Two?
Somewhat fortunate to get away with that.
I cannot fecking stand another game of Southgate.
He’s a ten ton anchor dragging us back.
 
I’m really not sold on Bellingham. He’s obviously a goal threat and he’s got good technique, but he’s a headless chicken charging around the pitch whenever I watch him play. Reminds me of Gerrard, for England at least.
Same thought. Cole Palmer should be trialed more in that no.10 role
 
A win which is the main thing but the second half was flat. We should have killed off the game but didn't really try to do so.

I also think when we did drop a bit deeper, Gordon should have also been introduced to allow us to hit them on the counter.

Nevertheless, a win is a win.
 
TAA would be fine if England had someone who liked to make runs in behind or out wide. But no one does that. They all want to come deep to get it. So TAA's greatest asset is wasted if all he is doing is playing 5-10 yard passes into feet.
 
Avoid the Italian, Dutch and Belgium too.

I think England would beat Italy this time, Belgium are nowhere near as strong as 3-4 years ago either.

The Netherlands would be a tricky one to call given they have quality and pace at the back so could see that being extra time/penalties scenario.

What is England's like round 16-QF-SF path if they win the group as haven't really looked at it yet.
 
So does England sacrifice everything a 10 should bring you and stick Foden into complete limbo just to get Bellingham closer to trailing in the box for headers? He used to be the most dominant future box to box midfielder maybe in the world and now he’s a better version of Dele Ali it looks like.

The whole team is dysfunctional and primarily misused or out of position.

Foden looks devoid of belief in everything they do.

Was miserable compared to the other favorites.

Foden needs dropping tbh. Hasn’t done it for England and just doesn’t work the way he does in Pep’s system. Would have been much better with more width down the left tonight instead of Foden changing positions all night and doing very little. That along with the silly TAA midfield experiment needs to be dropped.
 
if Southgate ever gets the United job, I might have to take a break from watching United.

I mean, I feel like I can tolerate a lot. But a man has limits
 
Foden has been regularly playing for England for 4 years now and he's never done anything in that time.

Consistently invisible.

He can't play on the wing and you can't play him in his best position because Bellingham is better. Foden absolutely has to be dropped.
 
I’m really not sold on Bellingham. He’s obviously a goal threat and he’s got good technique, but he’s a headless chicken charging around the pitch whenever I watch him play. Reminds me of Gerrard, for England at least.

Not seeing this at all. Englands best player tonight and had the fight and passion and also backed it up, fantastic mentality as well. He’s nowhere near the issue, it’s the manager.
 
Don't know whether Southgate is capable but it's salvageable. From that performance, it seems they've no chance. But Tripper, Arnold and Foden are out of position and none of them were good.

Mainoo should start in midfield. Need Shaw back for balance on the left. Either play Foden central or don't play him at all. I'd be tempted to start Boden or Gordon on the left. Probably Gordon.
 
Bellingham is just different fecking gravy. What a player. Complete.

Three major problems to be addressed:

- Lack of a left footer in defence. Need Shaw fit.
- Foden anonymous and kills team shape. Need to try a different option.
- Lack of control in midfield, have to start either Gallagher or preferably Mainoo. Think he’d excel linking with Bellingham.

Next game line up, assuming fitness:

Pickford;
Walker
Stones
Guehi
Shaw;
Rice
Mainoo;
Saka
Bellingham
Eze or Gordon
Kane

TAA and Foden have to start on the bench. Foden is a brilliant player but he doesn’t work in this set up. Maybe if he has Shaw bombing past him on the left it might work better, but he takes up all the same positions as Bellingham and Kane and just clogs up the middle. I’d much rather have the pace and creativity of Eze or the pace and industriousness of Gordon. It would be a better fit right now.
 
England did what United do, get a lead then stop doing anything that earned them a lead.
 
England were shocking and a better side would have beat them tonight.

Foden isn’t a LW. He can be Bellinghams back up but he can start in this side as it just completely congests the team.

Trent isn’t a CM and it shows. Yes he can do a lovely long pass, but that’s it. Move him to RB or bench.

Far too many square pegs for round holes.
 
Bellingham is just different fecking gravy. What a player. Complete.

Three major problems to be addressed:

- Lack of a left footer in defence. Need Shaw fit.
- Foden anonymous and kills team shape. Need to try a different option.
- Lack of control in midfield, have to start either Gallagher or preferably Mainoo. Think he’d excel linking with Bellingham.

Next game line up, assuming fitness:

Pickford;
Walker
Stones
Guehi
Shaw;
Rice
Mainoo;
Saka
Bellingham
Eze or Gordon
Kane

TAA and Foden have to start on the bench. Foden is a brilliant player but he doesn’t work in this set up. Maybe if he has Shaw bombing past him on the left it might work better, but he takes up all the same positions as Bellingham and Kane and just clogs up the middle. I’d much rather have the pace and creativity of Eze or the pace and industriousness of Gordon. It would be a better fit right now.

Agree Foden didn’t look right. And I really wish we had Grealish in the squad for the left wing option.
 
Shoe horning trent into the starting 11 is fecking bizarre. I just don't get what he brings to the team other than set piece delivery which almost anyone in that squad can do. It's pathetic. Foden needs to play centrally or not all.

Thought Guehi looked good, which is the biggest plus of the night. Bowen was dangerous too.
 
Way too pedestrian throughout basically the entire 2nd half.

Some great players but a great team they are not, we are Less than the sum of our parts today.
 
I’m really not sold on Bellingham. He’s obviously a goal threat and he’s got good technique, but he’s a headless chicken charging around the pitch whenever I watch him play. Reminds me of Gerrard, for England at least.

Really mental take. He was head and shoulders our best player tonight. Never gave the ball away. Was a consistent threat but also got through a ton of work. Received the ball in tight areas and kept it all game. Absolute titan of a player. Used it so intelligently, ran with it well. If you don’t see it with Bellingham, who on earth do you see it with?
 
TAA would be fine if England had someone who liked to make runs in behind or out wide. But no one does that. They all want to come deep to get it. So TAA's greatest asset is wasted if all he is doing is playing 5-10 yard passes into feet.
TAA isn't fine in any England midfield unless they are playing a minnow country. He's terrible off the ball and doesn't offer anything in winning the ball back bar the odd interception. He's a niche player as his weaknesses are so bad.

He would suit Real Madrid ( RB) because he could play to his strength and the players around him can bail him out defensively
 
Shoe horning trent into the starting 11 is fecking bizarre. I just don't get what he brings to the team other than set piece delivery which almost anyone in that squad can do. It's pathetic. Foden needs to play centrally or not all.

Thought Guehi looked good, which is the biggest plus of the night. Bowen was dangerous too.
His set pieces were awful tonight as well. Don’t want him anywhere near the team again please
 
Shoe horning trent into the starting 11 is fecking bizarre. I just don't get what he brings to the team other than set piece delivery which almost anyone in that squad can do. It's pathetic. Foden needs to play centrally or not all.

Thought Guehi looked good, which is the biggest plus of the night. Bowen was dangerous too.
I think it is partly his quality on the ball, but I think what gives Southgate the big tick is that he is the category ‘defender’. It’s mind numbingly simple yes, but this is where we are.
 
I’m really not sold on Bellingham. He’s obviously a goal threat and he’s got good technique, but he’s a headless chicken charging around the pitch whenever I watch him play. Reminds me of Gerrard, for England at least.

Absolutely.
 
Southgate cannot coach or entertain any kind of intricacy, and more than ever, this collective need it to thrive. The interplay is shocking and Southgate exacerbates that by fielding the most disconnective midfield possible; further compounding it, and showing his lack of understanding of what this collective needs, with another midfielder who has absolutely no connective tissue to his game. It makes the midfield disjointed and incapable of playing very simple, fundamental combination passes between themselves - absolutely no triangulation, which induces panic that in turn lends itself to hoofball.

Wharton or Mainoo need to go into that midfield as a first point of order, after that, Southgate needs someone who he can instruct with his simple tactics, as he has no clue how to use the likes of Foden. If not Rashford, he needed to bring along someone who does well on tracks as an individual who doesn't need multiple passes to and forth to get into the game. Eze and Gordon really should see solid game time beings as they are maverick enough to be able to influence games with direct running.

Southgate is also so timid that he will always cower when the game gets testy rather than impose control and pressure. England's defensive quality is not good enough to withstand that. Just a shambles - it'll take individual brilliance to carry England far, the kind of quality that wins games in spite of Southgate.
 
Bellingham is just different fecking gravy. What a player. Complete.

Three major problems to be addressed:

- Lack of a left footer in defence. Need Shaw fit.
- Foden anonymous and kills team shape. Need to try a different option.
- Lack of control in midfield, have to start either Gallagher or preferably Mainoo. Think he’d excel linking with Bellingham.

Next game line up, assuming fitness:

Pickford;
Walker
Stones
Guehi
Shaw;
Rice
Mainoo;
Saka
Bellingham
Eze or Gordon
Kane

TAA and Foden have to start on the bench. Foden is a brilliant player but he doesn’t work in this set up. Maybe if he has Shaw bombing past him on the left it might work better, but he takes up all the same positions as Bellingham and Kane and just clogs up the middle. I’d much rather have the pace and creativity of Eze or the pace and industriousness of Gordon. It would be a better fit right now.

Shaw won’t be available for the group stage, according to ETH.
 
I think it is partly his quality on the ball, but I think what gives Southgate the big tick is that he is the category ‘defender’. It’s mind numbingly simple yes, but this is where we are.
He has so little awareness in possession though with regards to being pressed, he just loses the ball to easily, or looks like he panics on his touch. Least Mainoo you know he's a drop of the shoulder away from breezing out of any sketchy situation.
 
I think England would beat Italy this time, Belgium are nowhere near as strong as 3-4 years ago either.

The Netherlands would be a tricky one to call given they have quality and pace at the back so could see that being extra time/penalties scenario.

What is England's like round 16-QF-SF path if they win the group as haven't really looked at it yet.
I would bet on Italy to beat this awful England team today. Cole Palmer and Mainoo needs to start, Kane should be replaced by Toney or Walkins. Problem with England is they have too many slow players on pitch today, no balance between skills and pace.
 
He has so little awareness in possession though with regards to being pressed, he just loses the ball to easily, or looks like he panics on his touch. Least Mainoo you know he's a drop of the shoulder away from breezing out of any sketchy situation.
Yes mate I’m not defending the choice. It’s stupid as feck!
 
Not good but I'm not overly concerned. We didn't concede much in terms of chances and I think a few personnel changes and we'll improve. Shaw for Tripper, Mainoo (or Wharton/Gallagher) for TAA and Eze/Gordon for Foden.
 
Don't know whether Southgate is capable but it's salvageable. From that performance, it seems they've no chance. But Tripper, Arnold and Foden are out of position and none of them were good.

Mainoo should start in midfield. Need Shaw back for balance on the left. Either play Foden central or don't play him at all. I'd be tempted to start Boden or Gordon on the left. Probably Gordon.

If you're going to experiment in that 8 position I've always said Foden would be a decent option as he can receive the ball in tight areas and wriggle away from opponents or set the tempo

All the teams that win tournaments have that player down the years. Xavi/Iniesta, Pirlo, Kroos, Modric, Alexis MacAlister and Greizmann dropping back deeper for France in last World cup was a big success.

It continues to be a major failing of English football that the midfielders produced are usually box to box workaholics and the technical ones get pushed into the front 3.
 
His set pieces were awful tonight as well. Don’t want him anywhere near the team again please

You can get away with it to an extent in this group but yeah I pray that this doesn't become a long term idea because I don't think it worked or will work in a bigger match.

Foden and his position is a huge headache.
 
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