He will be the third keeper and it's about giving experience to that third keeper. The chances you have to use them is virtually nil.
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He will be the third keeper and it's about giving experience to that third keeper. The chances you have to use them is virtually nil.
Pickford
Walker Maguire Stones Shaw
Mainoo Rice
Saka Bellingham Palmer
Kane
Walker Maguire Stones Shaw
Mainoo Rice
Saka Bellingham Palmer
Kane
Palmer brings a different element to the attack from the other attacking players, and Foden would be an excellent option off the bench. Plus have Bellingham put in a shift across the pitch.
Only concern in the lineup is Maguire's form, Shaw's durability, and Mainoo's fitness over 90 mins
@WeePat can Gallagher play in midfield? He'd probably be my first man off the bench if Mainoo is off
Why would you play Palmer on the left when his favourite thing to do is to cut inside and shoot?
Not starting Foden is just insane.
Don't think Butland will get in. He didn't have a great game in a hurricane in the 3-3 Old Firm derby that Southgate attended. Plus Southgate would need to be bold to do that and he isn't.
That said I think he's comfortably been the best English keeper in the last 12 months. Obviously there would be no reason to drop Pickford, who is also a bit better with his feet, but Butland would be my first choice back-up.
That said I think he's comfortably been the best English keeper in the last 12 months. Obviously there would be no reason to drop Pickford, who is also a bit better with his feet, but Butland would be my first choice back-up.
Foden has to start.
I'd have Foden, Bellingham, Rice in midfield, with Stones acting as dm when on the ball. Gordon and Saka wide. As much as I would like to start young Kobbie, Foden has to play in the middle
I'd have Foden, Bellingham, Rice in midfield, with Stones acting as dm when on the ball. Gordon and Saka wide. As much as I would like to start young Kobbie, Foden has to play in the middle
That's the case for most options at the LW (except maybe Grealish).
Plus Palmer's playmaking has been very good this season. Probably only bettered by Kane and maybe Saka.
Plus they can interchange and be fluid
Excellent season and all, but him and Bellingham in the same team at the same time... not convinced it is a good thing yet or that Southgate can make it work
Obviously both will start but I predict it'll look a bit clunky
Curtis Jones in the squad but no Harvey Elliott??
I wonder if Kane is blocking his inclusion!
I wonder if Kane is blocking his inclusion!
Yeah, I think you have to start Foden. If everyone is fit, I think there's 10 players that must start and then there's one flex between a few players.
I basically see it as Mainoo starts and Foden plays from the left, coming in central a lot to support that midfield three and make it a four sometimes. Bellingham has played more like a no.10 for Real Madrid so it would make sense to try and use him there, but it depends on who we are playing. I think that is more likely to be the way it goes in the tougher matches. Depending on who else goes, then you can look at Gordon/Grealish.
Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Bellingham
Saka Foden ?
Kane
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Bellingham
Saka Foden ?
Kane
I basically see it as Mainoo starts and Foden plays from the left, coming in central a lot to support that midfield three and make it a four sometimes. Bellingham has played more like a no.10 for Real Madrid so it would make sense to try and use him there, but it depends on who we are playing. I think that is more likely to be the way it goes in the tougher matches. Depending on who else goes, then you can look at Gordon/Grealish.
If Shaw is in then it's an absolute farce. I would sell him based on that alone. He's not played since January!!
They were discussing this on Talksport just now. Jones is a CM while the position Elliott plays in we are loaded.Curtis Jones in the squad but no Harvey Elliott??
I wonder if Kane is blocking his inclusion!
Really looking forward to seeing England this summer. Kane, Bellingham, Foden, Saka, Palmer, Rice, Gordon, Mainoo, Watkins etc. is a seriously impressive and complimentary set of players to chose from in midfield and attack.
Yeah, drop player of the year. And start a player who I've never seen play in that position instead.
Foden is a better playmaker than Palmer and Gordon is right footed. Both make far more sense to play on the left.
BBC are saying that Dean Henderson is included so if Trafford is there I imagine it's as a 4th keeper and he'll get left out when the squad is cut.
The side pretty much picks itself, it's only Shaws injury and Mainoos age to be considered really
Pickford
Walker Maguire Stones Shaw
Mainoo Rice
Saka Bellingham Foden
Kane
If he doesn't use Mainoo then Bellingham can drop deeper and one of plamer or grealish slot into the 3 behind kane - I can't see Southgate doing this however as he's always been safety first and wouldn't want Rice exposed if Bellingham bombs on which he absolutely will
Pickford
Walker Maguire Stones Shaw
Mainoo Rice
Saka Bellingham Foden
Kane
If he doesn't use Mainoo then Bellingham can drop deeper and one of plamer or grealish slot into the 3 behind kane - I can't see Southgate doing this however as he's always been safety first and wouldn't want Rice exposed if Bellingham bombs on which he absolutely will
I cant see Mainoo starting initially. Just too young. As for Foden - absolutely no way that he doesnt start from the get go.
The call to play Foden central is similar to the calls to put becks in the middle back when he played - you're just as likely to curtail his influence imo. Foden plays his club football from the flank and he's brilliant there, just play him in his usual position. We've already got a worldie monster of a box to box midfielder who will be getting into those 10 positions, keep it simple
Oh my god they were furious.I just remembered how rattled everyone got the last euros about fans singing it's coming home
Fair, drop Bellingham then. But that's crazy. So we're back to forcing 2 great no 10s in the same squad. England Pt 2: Electric Boogaloo
This season Foden has been more of a scorer/finisher than facilitator for City
I just don't see the utility of forcing Foden AND Bellingham in the same team. Have we even seen it work for England yet?
If Rashford was in form he'd automatically be my pick on the left. Gordon could work as well, or Grealish for tougher games where ball retention is crucial
Curtis Jones in the squad but no Harvey Elliott??
I wonder if Kane is blocking his inclusion!
Why would Kane block it?
That’s fine as long as Ramsdale is not included.
The midfield will be certainly be interesting in terms of selections.
Left side creates a lot of issues. Sancho as a wildcard pick maybe?
I think if Mainoo had another half season under his belt this would be by a mile Southgate's preferred team.
Shaw won't go though, just can't see how you can take either him and Chilwell.
Team for the group stages would probably be:
With Grealish, Palmer and Gordon attacking options off the bench we're set up pretty good. Then Shaw will probably be fit enough by the knockouts.
Pickford
Walker Maguire Stones Trippier
Gallagher Rice
Saka Bellingham Foden
Kane
Walker Maguire Stones Trippier
Gallagher Rice
Saka Bellingham Foden
Kane
With Grealish, Palmer and Gordon attacking options off the bench we're set up pretty good. Then Shaw will probably be fit enough by the knockouts.
Can't see any chance of Sancho being called up. Don't think Southgate has even been to watch a Dortmund game.
I don't think we have ever seen Palmer play on the left though, just doesn't make sense to suddenly start him there when one of his best traits is cutting from the right to shoot (arguably one of Foden's best traits too but at least he has experience on the left). I think you probably just have to drop one of Foden/Bellingham and play Gordon but that won't happen.
If England wrap up the group stage early then play Palmer in the RW or AM spot in the last game and see how he does.
No chance and thankfully so.
I think you're just falling into the trap a lot of us do with Foden, thinking that he's a number 10. For the record, I do think no.10 could be and probably is Foden's best position eventually. However, if you look at Man City's last 11-12 games or so, only one time did he start as a number 10. A couple of times, he played as two no.10's/no.8's alongside De Bruyne with Rodri behind them. Every other time, he started as a winger and of those games as a wide player he played all but one of them from the left. So, Pep, and probably Southgate, view him as a wide forward and he's become one who predominately plays from the left. Which is conveniently one of the few question mark positions for this England squad in terms of who is the first choice. So, Foden plays and he plays on the left. I think it's quite clear.
I think it'll be this, or Gallagher in for Mainoo. But yeah, rest picks itself.
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal), James Trafford (Burnley).
Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Lewis Dunk (Brighton), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle), Kyle Walker (Manchester City).
Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace).
Forwards: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Jack Grealish (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), James Maddison (Tottenham), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa).
I'd pick the bolded personally. Maybe Trippier instead of Gomez.
Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Lewis Dunk (Brighton), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle), Kyle Walker (Manchester City).
Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace).
Forwards: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Jack Grealish (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), James Maddison (Tottenham), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa).
I'd pick the bolded personally. Maybe Trippier instead of Gomez.
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I really wish we had a better keeper
I know us English always get carried away but it's such a well balanced side now, great age profile, loads of big game experience, lots of creativity, great DM protecting a powerful backline but I just cannot trust Pickford - I feel it in my bones that he's gonna throw one in at some point!
I know us English always get carried away but it's such a well balanced side now, great age profile, loads of big game experience, lots of creativity, great DM protecting a powerful backline but I just cannot trust Pickford - I feel it in my bones that he's gonna throw one in at some point!
Ramsdale, feck me. As posted earlier in this thread, it’s amazing how Grealish escapes any criticism for his poor form this season.
Also Shaw hasn’t been fit for us in ages yet is named in the squad.
Also Shaw hasn’t been fit for us in ages yet is named in the squad.
He’s actually been very good this season and usually has performed well for England.
So pleased for Mainoo he's been absolutely class in what has been a dreadful utd team this year - fully deserved and I'd 100% start him in the first game
33 players, so 7 will drop out before the tournament.
Would have liked Southgate to have gone for Olise as France didn't. Of cause he may have and he said no.
I know but still I just can't shake the feeling that he is where this tournaments nonsense elimination will come from. It's got to come from somewhere right? It always does
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