England Cricket 2016 - Sri Lanka & Pakistan

His numbers might not be the same (even though they are impressive) KP's performances in big games stand out and more of match winner than Cook.
I don't agree, at all. I absolutely think Cook's runs have won far more big games than Pietersen did.
 
I don't think he couldn't do it. I question whether he wants to. I'm sure a guy as good as Buttler could work out a way to score test runs, but on the other hand he hasn't played a first class game since he's been dropped and he was dropped for a very good reason.

Unless he scores runs in first class cricket (or alternatively his keeping becomes so good you can play him on merit of that) he shouldn't be near the side. Talent only gets you so far.

Talent and continued performances in the one day game will get him some way. It's not surprising that Bayliss talked about him getting back into the test side before he broke his thumb.

I'm not saying he is guaranteed to be a success but I don't see much better in the test side right now.

Perfect mentality for ODI's and T20. Not for First Class cricket, thus far.

Still only 25, not every batsman can be like Joe Root.
 
I don't think he couldn't do it. I question whether he wants to. I'm sure a guy as good as Buttler could work out a way to score test runs, but on the other hand he hasn't played a first class game since he's been dropped and he was dropped for a very good reason.

Unless he scores runs in first class cricket (or alternatively his keeping becomes so good you can play him on merit of that) he shouldn't be near the side. Talent only gets you so far.

Agree with this. His career path is similar to Eoin Morgan who once dropped from the test side was happy to just be a one day specialist internationally and in league cricket around the world.
 
9 to go :D

Anderson has taken Masood 6 times for a total of 15 runs :lol::lol:
 
death, taxes and masood getting out to anderson, these are the only three certainties in life.
 
Masood just doesn't pick Anderson.

Still only 25, not every batsman can be like Joe Root.
I think he has a good chance of being a good Test player and his age is why. He needs to figure it out in the County Championship though, I feel. It's what happened with Collingwood and that worked well.
 
Talent and continued performances in the one day game will get him some way. It's not surprising that Bayliss talked about him getting back into the test side before he broke his thumb.

I'm not saying he is guaranteed to be a success but I don't see much better in the test side right now.



Still only 25, not every batsman can be like Joe Root.

Its not surprising no. But Bayliss doesn't watch much County Cricket and there's a suggestion that he was simply listing Buttler because he is unfamiliar with the player pool available.


I have no problem with Buttler going to play IPL cricket, but for his test ambitions it can't help because it clashes with the most continuous block of first class cricket we play. Hopefully the England team are being honest with him about how that affects his chances.

If he can get some games at the back end of this summer and if he can prove he has solved the issues of his defensive technique I'm not opposed to him coming back in the side. But I wouldn't rush him for the sake of getting him in, if for no other reason that I dont think he's much of an upgrade on Bairstow with the gloves.
 
Alright, here's a poser for our posters from Pakistan.

You are going on a trip of a lifetime to visit family in England, not only will you see family you haven't seen for years, but you will be able to see Pakistan play Test cricket in England and see United at Old Trafford.

Your family completely fill up your schedule, with family things, and it turns out that you have only one Saturday available. Do you:

1. Go to see England vs Pakistan at Lords?

2. Go to see United vs Liverpool in the PL?

3. feck your family off for a long planned big family party on the Sunday and go to OT on Saturday and Lords on Sunday?

Alright the timings don't quite work for this year, but it could work out that way.
 
Classic Pakistan. From great to hopeless in just one match. I swear they've been like this for years.
 
Younis is way over the top. Should retire before his average goes below 50.
 
Younis is way over the top. Should retire before his average goes below 50.

I was watching polite enquires with Kimber and Dobell the other day and they were talking about how he is actually 42. I couldn't quite get the tone of what they were saying though, is there actually any suggestion that Younis is older than he says? Or just an Afridi based joke about Pakistani players ages being wrong?
 
I wouldn't be so dismissive of Buttler based on his low average or his initial Test form. The talent and most importantly the mentality is clearly there to see.

He's nowhere near good as Bairstow with the bat in the long game but I think we need a batsman like Bairstow in the top 5 that it wouldn't surprise me if Buttler gets another shot.

This. I don't care about his low numbers, he'll be England's next test match wicket keeper sooner or later.
 
I was watching polite enquires with Kimber and Dobell the other day and they were talking about how he is actually 42. I couldn't quite get the tone of what they were saying though, is there actually any suggestion that Younis is older than he says? Or just an Afridi based joke about Pakistani players ages being wrong?

I've heard similar things about Waqar Younis.
 
This. I don't care about his low numbers, he'll be England's next test match wicket keeper sooner or later.

I wouldn't be so sure. They might, but Ben Foakes is building a case for himself. He's by all accounts a better gloveman than Buttler and his first class average has been better since his first game of country cricket pretty much.

He's also been on England's radar (as a batsman) since he came through at Essex so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him sooner or later if they decide they need to take the gloves off Bairstow.
 
I was watching polite enquires with Kimber and Dobell the other day and they were talking about how he is actually 42. I couldn't quite get the tone of what they were saying though, is there actually any suggestion that Younis is older than he says? Or just an Afridi based joke about Pakistani players ages being wrong?

Don't know about Younis in particular but age cheating isn't that uncommon in those parts of the world. Over-age players lie about their age and gain unfair advantages at youth levels. There's definitely more to it than just being a joke.
 
Don't know about Younis in particular but age cheating isn't that uncommon in those parts of the world. Over-age players lie about their age and gain unfair advantages at youth levels. There's definitely more to it than just being a joke.

Yeah thats what made it odd. I hadn't heard any specific allegations before and the tone of Polite Enquires is normally jocular, but neither of them seemed to be joking and talked as if it was common knowledge. Just seemed a weirdly specific allegation for two journalists to make given how eminitely possible it could be.
 
I wouldn't be so sure. They might, but Ben Foakes is building a case for himself. He's by all accounts a better gloveman than Buttler and his first class average has been better since his first game of country cricket pretty much.

He's also been on England's radar (as a batsman) since he came through at Essex so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him sooner or later if they decide they need to take the gloves off Bairstow.

I think England can actually go for a better gloveman now with Woakes and Stokes about, Buttler is not actually needed because Bairstow and Stokes can accelerate the game just as well. Also Stokes, Foakes and Woakes just sounds great as a middle order.
 
I think England can actually go for a better gloveman now with Woakes and Stokes about, Buttler is not actually needed because Bairstow and Stokes can accelerate the game just as well. Also Stokes, Foakes and Woakes just sounds great as a middle order.

Its certainly the way they could go if they drop Vince. They also could add in Rashid and play two spinners every game whilst asking Mooen to take more responsibility with the bat. I'd be inclined to try that first. Having Stokes and Woakes in the side with Mooen (even Rashid isn't a bad bat) just gives so many options.
 
Its certainly the way they could go if they drop Vince. They also could add in Rashid and play two spinners every game whilst asking Mooen to take more responsibility with the bat. I'd be inclined to try that first. Having Stokes and Woakes in the side with Mooen (even Rashid isn't a bad bat) just gives so many options.

I presume this is the way they will go in the winter. Great to have so many options just need Ballance to get a few scores and an opener to emerge.
 
I was watching polite enquires with Kimber and Dobell the other day and they were talking about how he is actually 42. I couldn't quite get the tone of what they were saying though, is there actually any suggestion that Younis is older than he says? Or just an Afridi based joke about Pakistani players ages being wrong?

He said it himself in an interview once IIRC. Said he is about Misbah's age.
 
Goodness! They usually give us about two.

I think we got four last time didn't we?

I think we're going to get absolutely mauled. The rank turners they prepared for South Africa plus our spin options. :nervous:

Need another monster series there from Cookie. I'd be interested to see Hales there as well, impetus against the new ball when it's harder is going to be important.
 
Its certainly the way they could go if they drop Vince. They also could add in Rashid and play two spinners every game whilst asking Mooen to take more responsibility with the bat. I'd be inclined to try that first. Having Stokes and Woakes in the side with Mooen (even Rashid isn't a bad bat) just gives so many options.

Was hoping they would try that for this test! Hopefully Moeen will do a good job at 5, don't think he can bat higher and I'm glad we're never going to go down the opener route with him again.
 
Was hoping they would try that for this test! Hopefully Moeen will do a good job at 5, don't think he can bat higher and I'm glad we're never going to go down the opener route with him again.

Moeen at 5 and Bairstow at 7 would be criminal. Bairstow should bat 5.
 
You think we'd ask Bairstow to bat a 5 and keep wicket? Seems a big ask to me even though I'd like to see Bairstow at 5.
 
Moeen has 3 for 65, so far (if my maths is correct), in this match. He could turn that in to quite pretty figures.
 
Didn't he already do that against Sri Lanka?

He batted at 7 in the first test and 6 once Stokes got injured. He did great and showed what class batsman he is, our best after Cook and Root. But there is a different mindset at batting 5 than 6 or 7. I think it's a huge ask personally.
 
He batted at 7 in the first test and 6 once Stokes got injured. He did great and showed what class batsman he is, our best after Cook and Root. But there is a different mindset at batting 5 than 6 or 7. I think it's a huge ask personally.

Ah yeah you're right. I had completely expunged the existence of Compton from my mind. Still not sure there's a massive difference between batting 6 with a useless top order and 5 with (hopefully) a more solid one.