Dhoni 
England Cricket 2016/17 - Bangladesh, India & West Indies (ODI's only)
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So England send India to bat after getting humiliated by their chase last game, end up getting smashed for more. 
Allowing the opposition to chase 350 from 63-4 and put up 381 from 30-3, something is seriously wrong there.
Allowing the opposition to chase 350 from 63-4 and put up 381 from 30-3, something is seriously wrong there.
You get the feeling England didn't even see the pitch before deciding to bowl. Stupid decision.
Wasn't it supposed to be a "no-brainer" to chase here? Historically as well as recently, Cuttack was supposed to favour chasing side due to heavy amount of dew in the evening. I've only read the preview prior to the game and haven't checked score after 25/3 until now. Dhoni-Yuvi wow!
Dunno. Not really watching the game but I'd rather put up 350+ than chase it that's for sure.
Then how can you comment on the decision to bowl first?
I don't think it matters what you do when you bowl like England did today.
Sub continent pitches are batting paradise and adding the due factor it would be difficult evening for the bowler,if at all they can put up a solid partnership then they can chase this down.
Because it's a seemingly belter of a pitch from what I've read. Didn't know about the dew though so might be a factor but then again Rashid was dropped anyway
Maybe, but there was clearly enough in it early doors for India to be 3 down and then Yuvraj and Dhoni counter-attacked which lead to us wilting and bowling an array of utter dross.
I'm not even sure what the pitch is doing because after about the 20th over I'm not sure we actually used it!
65 metre sixes, flat pitches. Typical boring Indian wicket. Indian batsmen's average should be void from the records because they play the majority of their cricket at home and its just so dreary.
Are you serious? You think England scored 450 at Melbourne? They amassed that total at Trent Bridge where on side of the completely flat wicket is around 50m in distance...
ODI cricket should be played on flat wickets - the challenging pitches are for test matches.
Twenty20 yes, but i still think there's a place for challenging pitches in 50 over cricket. Still a place for a close game featuring totals in the 240's off 50 overs.
Just started watching. Have India been bowling this badly all innings?
They've been pretty dire yeah. Jadeja's bowled quite well.
I would have sent Stokes in to have a whack here. Morgan is a sponge and just soaks up dot balls in the middle order.
RR is fine atm, but it could quickly get out of hand.
RR is fine atm, but it could quickly get out of hand.
Does that ever work? I've always been fond of the theory but so often I've seen it tried and the player just gets carried away and hits two boundaries before getting stumped/bowled having a horrible hack.
Against South Africa when we chased 230 odd I thought it came off nicely even though he didn't stick around for long.
Tbh, I think that if Stokes isn't going to be batting above Morgan (who is currently proving my point) he's better off out of the side. His bowling isn't good enough in this format to be selected primarily for it. He needs to be in the top order.
Look at the effect Morgan is having on Roy as well. Since Morgan's come in and decided to be a crab its forcing Roy to take more risks just to stick with the run rate. And look, now he's out.
Wouldn't mind the idea of Stokes being our number four and seeing how it goes. Though, I'm imagining this going along with Morgan being dropped, someone like Billings going in at five and Root being made captain. So, not exactly a nice easy change I'm suggesting.
NVM
I agree with you - his record over the last 18 months to 2 years is staggering in terms of the scores he's posted. I was just having a bit of fun
. To be honest he's playing so well, England need him to fail just to have a chance.I was hoping Roy would stay in for another 10 overs but hey ho...
Yeah, I think long term thats the better team. Not hugely convinced by Billings in this format, but you could equally give Bairstow a run.
In all honesty, I think Morgan has to go. I don't see what he brings to the team with the bat, and I think he gets a huge amount of leeway in terms of his captaincy (which I think is incredibly ordinary) because he happens to have been in the right place at the right time.
He tends to do well when I criticise him though. Hopefully today is his day.
240? Pitches that produced 240 back in day will produce 300 these days. Batsmen are quite simply a lot better at hitting the ball these days than they were previously. Game has moved on and people need to move on with it.
So, 240 pitches are the ones that used to produce 180. They were often good games.
It's not just India pitches around the world have got flatter, i don't like it either, would prefer more balance between bat and ball, but it's the way it is now. It's one of the reasons i've gone off cricket over the years. Although i did enjoy the Eng vs Pak series last summer.
One of my main objections is that one of the exciting moments in cricket is when a significant record is broken.
Now ODI's are so batsmen friendly, there is little excitement when this happens, because it's not that hard to break a record that was set in a period where it was considerably more difficult to score runs. Or, indeed, a record that was set a few months ago, in similarly easy conditions.
Now ODI's are so batsmen friendly, there is little excitement when this happens, because it's not that hard to break a record that was set in a period where it was considerably more difficult to score runs. Or, indeed, a record that was set a few months ago, in similarly easy conditions.
LOL awful catching attempt
Can't see England getting these, despite the nice partnership.
Good effort from Moeen, I feel.
'Lets waste 5 minutes changing my bat, and losing my rhythm'
'Oh shit I'm out, who saw that coming?'
'Oh shit I'm out, who saw that coming?'
Ah good old Indian umpiring there
'Stick with your original decision' ... 'Oh, feck! That was your original decision?'
Well me might end up losing this.
I don't know what was worse with that review, the third umpire not spotting the green 'IMPACT OUTSIDE' or the standing umpire having a mare and not knowing you can't signal leg byes because the ball was dead as soon as he lifted his finger, add to that he had no idea what signal to make when you are reversing your decision. Couple of absolute numpties.
He did, I think. I heard 'impact outside - stick with your original decision'.
Pitches are the same. Courtesy T20, batters fancy themselves to score a lot more runs. It's a natural progression of the scoring rate that was inevitable.
Well that's a horrible way to get out. Excellent innings though. Real fan of Morgan so good to see him in form.