By "sterling work" you mean what? . . helping England to a new record since like the 1950's? Smalling a very good CB, seems like utd fans forget that Moyes has been playing him at RB. . quite simply a stupid Idea. So No he isn't better then Smalling as a centre back.
England at World Cup 2014
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By "sterling work" you mean what? . . helping England to a new record since like the 1950's? Smalling a very good CB, seems like utd fans forget that Moyes has been playing him at RB. . quite simply a stupid Idea. So No he isn't better then Smalling as a centre back.
What you think of Evra then?
EDIT: Actually, ignore that. Tell me, what do you think of Denis Irwin?
Because he had the same traits Baines has but could defend and was a whole level better and I've never seen anyone rate him higher then Baines
I don't think you saw the picture I posted where not only was he on the RCB (right centre back) position he was no where near the ball on ether of rat faces goals.
You have much better players than we do. Players on your bench would start for us. And nobody had us coming out of that group.
I don't rate Baines that highly, he's certainly not worth 25m+ or whatever it was Everton was asking for him. You can't argue with his excellent statistics for Everton though, he's obviously an attacking threat and better than the majority of left backs at this tournament going off club form.
I'm 18 and wouldn't know much about Irwin I'm afraid so couldn't really answer.
Fair post. Can't argue with it and good on you for the honest answer on Irwin
I don't know how England can improve, there's so much wrong at every level with England. If it was club football I would say someone like LvG or Guardiola who can define a system and decide how to play would be a good start.
But at international level I doubt even those two could do anything as the time international coaches spend with players is too short. The clubs would need to agree to a common strategy as well and then implement it at club level, but with all the money involved in the PL this will never happen.
A huge increase in coaches who also have some international exp would help. Even if Hodgdon retires I can't see anyone close to being what England needs. Even Scholes - who personifies the type of player England need to produce if they want to succeed - talks about pace and power too much for my liking and less about tactics and player intelligence.
England fans don't want to hear it, but England players look so uncomfortable when under any kind of pressure. Plus they look clueless almost all the time. All they do then is either hoof the ball or give it back to the gk. Their tactical knowledge is very poor as well. This all starts at a very young age but look who England's U 21 coach is for example!! Costa Rica players against Italy looked much more comfortable with the ball than England!
I remember an interview with Thomas Müller before England played Germany at the WC 2010. Müller said he never had any problems against England at youth level when they faced each other, so why should it be different now?? Then you hear the BBC morons saying at the same time that player for player England is better than Germany. Shows you all that is wrong with the British mindset when it comes to football. First of all it wasn't true at all and the English pundits are really clueless. But even if it was true football is not that simple. You need a system, then you need to work to fit players into that system. What you don't need a la Moyes is just some players who you send on the pitch and then hope they do what you know they can do and everything will be fine.
But at international level I doubt even those two could do anything as the time international coaches spend with players is too short. The clubs would need to agree to a common strategy as well and then implement it at club level, but with all the money involved in the PL this will never happen.
A huge increase in coaches who also have some international exp would help. Even if Hodgdon retires I can't see anyone close to being what England needs. Even Scholes - who personifies the type of player England need to produce if they want to succeed - talks about pace and power too much for my liking and less about tactics and player intelligence.
England fans don't want to hear it, but England players look so uncomfortable when under any kind of pressure. Plus they look clueless almost all the time. All they do then is either hoof the ball or give it back to the gk. Their tactical knowledge is very poor as well. This all starts at a very young age but look who England's U 21 coach is for example!! Costa Rica players against Italy looked much more comfortable with the ball than England!
I remember an interview with Thomas Müller before England played Germany at the WC 2010. Müller said he never had any problems against England at youth level when they faced each other, so why should it be different now?? Then you hear the BBC morons saying at the same time that player for player England is better than Germany. Shows you all that is wrong with the British mindset when it comes to football. First of all it wasn't true at all and the English pundits are really clueless. But even if it was true football is not that simple. You need a system, then you need to work to fit players into that system. What you don't need a la Moyes is just some players who you send on the pitch and then hope they do what you know they can do and everything will be fine.
really? I think he's far too selfish to be as good as Owen was tbh.
Liverpool weren't one dimensional at all with Owen though? at least not from what I remember anyway...England, yes but mainly because we lacked another consistent goalscoring threat alongside him till Rooney came along.
Sturridge's finishing is awful, he needs more shots to score than a LOT of other players (Rooney included), he won't score as many with Liverpool next season either imo, people will defend more against them which will cut off his chances and frustrate him, which is when he gets selfish and struggles. he wasn't our best player against Uruguay either, he had one shot easily saved and otherwise did pretty much nothing...
I've only now read the foolishness that you posted.
I have my suspicions whether you were even alive when Owen played for Liverpool!
I have a problem when people post such inanities without first even doing a fact check!
Both Liverpool and England teams were set up principally to use Owen's blistering pace. Liverpool partnered Owen with Heskey. Heskey's principal role was to flick on passes to Owen who would play on the shoulder of the last defender race past his hapless markers to score. Ditto for England. Have you ever wondered how Heskey ever managed to play so many games for England!
Secondly let's deal with the second piece of foolishness you posted!
Sturridge has taken a grand total of 8 shots in his two group games with 79% accuracy!
Rooney has taken a grand total of 7 shots in his two group games with 29% accuracy!
Balotelli has taken a grand total of 7 shots in his two group games with 50% accuracy!
Cavani has taken a grand total of 6 shots in his two group games with 33% accuracy!
" Sturridge's finishing" awful indeed!
It was Sturridge's brilliant piece of skill that took out four Uraguayans, releasing Johnson who squared the ball where Rooney could not miss.
Sturridge was pretty useful in and around the box and I don't recall him missing any clear cut chances. Most of the shooting opportunities he had , he created for himself and he often had two player marking him.
All in all he had a good World Cup!
The sad thing is even if we go to our second string players for the Costa Rica game, we don't have the players in the squad to fit the system being used. The clamour for youth has to stop, it goes into overdrive after every tournament failure and forces our best players into early retirement. The national team is not the place to be developing young players, pick players that are tactically astute and fit the system.
So say you. However his fellow Pros, not some kid on the internet, voted him into the PL Team of the Season .. so yes he is better
What are these? Can you teach me make this kind of graphs?@Revan
This is a little misleading though! The problem is that because Bundesliga only have 18 teams, I can't get a decent way of appearance check. What I mean by this, a fairer way to compare the leagues is to say players with 5 appearances or more are only counted. But because Bundesliga play 4 less games, there stats won't be fair. Having said that, these stats are also unfair considering Bundesliga have 2 less clubs than the PL anyway! So perhaps I'll do it with say 8 or more appearances. I think the differences between the leagues won't be all that different. But the Bundesliga is a much younger competition than the Premier League.
Still, I thought it was an interesting comparison.
[edit] Added in the same as above but altered the specification to 9 appearances or more (roughly a quarter of the season).
No. They're called Radar Graphs/Charts.
Watching Germany v Ghana, even Ghana pass so much better and keep the ball so much better than England.
So say you. However his fellow Pros, not some kid on the internet, voted him into the PL Team of the Season .. so yes he is better
Cahill was at fault for at least two goals. .Smalling will be Manchester United CB for years to come. Where as Cahill although not a bad player. . hes about as good as the chap who played next to him. . .RUBBISH.
Kid on the internet vs. The Premierships' Pros. Only one opinion even worthy of consideration.
Thanks. :-)
Sorry but yes people did and still do(as they still might not get through). Hell even pundits did. Mark Lawrenson was big on them getting through for one, and he wasn't laughed at for it because others agreed on Klinsmann being a solid manager. It's only yourselves that played down your own chances. Portugal are an ultra hot and cold team, which is mostly based around them being organised and setup well for Ronaldo to do his thing.
Cahill was very good for Chelsea, but when you compare him - and others - to the level of defenders England used to have, you see the difference. Nowhere near the Rio-Terry-Cole period. I don't care if Johnson is a starter for Liverpool and Baines has been very good in the league. Everyone knows the first isn't very good and the second just didn't play well in Brazil, maybe he was found out. I just think football fans in England tend to overrate their players, and maybe show a lack of knowledge of what goes on outside England. Yeah, Uruguay were bad in the qualifying tournament. They barely qualified in 2010 as well, and reaches the semis...
The bottom line is England is an extremely limited side. There's also an issue with some players just being unable to reproduce their club form in the international arena - it isn't about a particular coach, because they've had the same problem under difference coaches. The result is a team with a lot of weaknesses that probably cannot be resolved with the players England have. Yeah, sometimes we see sides like that gel and get the best out of their players, but I'm not sure there's a particular way or a secret to that. Costa Rica happened to do that, but I'm not sure their coach can just go somewhere else and do the same again. We've seen Holland demolish Spain, but how about the way they barely beat Australia, with their backline looking terrible? So is Van Gaal a genius or awfully flawed?
England didn't play badly, and if those games were replayed maybe they could have had different results. Certainly the Rooney misses were costly, and the Gerrard error. All and all, a mediocre side being unable to progress from a group which has no outstanding sides, but no weak ones either. Looking at the players England have right now, it's not a shocking result. Disappointing, yes, but nothing more. People can talk about the coach all day long - we've been hearing it for years and years - but it's just a flimsy excuse.
If England was planning with two DM sitting deep for 90+min. , I think Barry and Carrick would be much better than Gerrard-Henderson. Wrong selection by Roy.
Exactly we were suppose to be playing a 4231 formation which requires two DM or holding midfielders, and Roy plays Gerrard and Henderson who are nothing of the sort. I am sick and tired of all the England managers making the same mistakes of picking players for a team that doesn't have the right balance. They haven't got the balls to drop players for the good of the team.
Let me start with the very fact that I'm German. And I don't want to harm anybody or make fun of anybody.
But for the last 20 years I have had a pretty close watch on what's going on with you English guys and your football. I have even lived on your island for some years.
But when it comes to your national team, there is one thing I still don't get: Why doesn't your team ever overachieve?
We Germans have had our fair share of bad teams we have sent to tournaments. In fact, between 1998 and 2008 we have had a decade of really horrible footballing. But we often overachieved, with a couple of semis and even finals.
But why the heck doesn't England get their act together when it counts? Where is the team spirit? The will? The desire? The we-against-the-world attitude?
Since the 90's I was used to tell my Englich friends that there just is a god of football who has put a 50 years curse on England for the fake goal in the '66 final. But even that excuse doesn't make sense anymore.
But for the last 20 years I have had a pretty close watch on what's going on with you English guys and your football. I have even lived on your island for some years.
But when it comes to your national team, there is one thing I still don't get: Why doesn't your team ever overachieve?
We Germans have had our fair share of bad teams we have sent to tournaments. In fact, between 1998 and 2008 we have had a decade of really horrible footballing. But we often overachieved, with a couple of semis and even finals.
But why the heck doesn't England get their act together when it counts? Where is the team spirit? The will? The desire? The we-against-the-world attitude?
Since the 90's I was used to tell my Englich friends that there just is a god of football who has put a 50 years curse on England for the fake goal in the '66 final. But even that excuse doesn't make sense anymore.
Irwin was several levels better than Baines. He was actually a right back as well, could play both sides equally.
We need to achieve before we can over achieve, small steps
As I recall, even the least-attractive German national teams were always competent in the basics of football: passing, crossing, shooting etc etc. Even if they lacked flair, they usually did the supposedly-simple things right...something which can't always be claimed about the English teams.
I would be a large part of that is the press and the attack minded shit that happens. Couldn't imagine being a professional footballer in England and having to deal with that shit day after day - and more so in big tournaments. It's got to have an effect.
What? Owen was one of our own.
There is easily an argument to be made that Sturridge is as good as Owen. His all round game is loads better. Sturridge gets massively overshadowed by Suarez which is a shame as he's a better player than he gets given credit for.
You think a player that was the best defender in the league last season is "rubbish", as well as being very solid in the champions league? Cahill isn't world-class but he's a very solid center back and better than a lot of what other nations have to offer to be honest.
It's a rubbish argument though. And Sturridge is massively assisted playing with Suarez not overshadowed.
Sturridge was just as good if not better at the start of the season when Suarez was banned, his scoring rate was very good if I remember correctly.
I'm saying that in the last two games for England he was rubbish.
He wasn't that bad. Was by far our best defender. Not his fault he had absolutely no cover from the midfield and Gerrard screwing up everything possible, as well as some true idiots next to him.
Like I said, he's not world-class. He won't make a defense impenetrable on his own but he is a solid defender.
Dunno if it's been posted before, still..
He got sucked in for balotelli goal and didn't anticipate someone like Suarez running off the back of him - So yes. He was RUBBISH
Was thinking about this the other day. In almost all positions, we have outstanding potential players, supplemented by potentially decent players, with the exception of centre midfield.
Of the current 'proven' young lads, there's only Wilshere, Henderson and Cleverley. Beneath that, you're looking at the U21 guys (Chalobah, Carroll, Hughes) who have a long way to go to prove themselves.
As a Chelsea fan, I've seen McEachran come through the ranks over the years and thought he was nailed on to make it, barring injuries of course. By no means am I giving up on a lad of 21 but the regression of his career is just sad to watch. For England's sake at least, I hope he cuts his ties and moves on.
Chalobah is a more interesting case. He fits the Mourinho profile of being a technically proficient player, with the necessary athleticism. Not good enough to start for Chelsea right now and not so average that he can waste key developmental years as a reserve. He needs games which is why a good loan is a must for him this year. Hopefully somewhere in the prem.
I caught a few Derby games last year to see how Bamford was doing. Your (WBA) young player, George Thorne, caught the eye.
England failed yet again.
Rio Ferdinand is a div.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...fix-mess-rans-We-need-coaches-facilities.html
Yes, JT wasn't available partly because of YOU, the same helmet who then got 'injured' when he was picked over Terry and eventually quit. The FA's handling over that incident was a disgrace and led to the retirement of arguably England's best player, and one who has outshone every single one of them last season at 33 years of age.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...fix-mess-rans-We-need-coaches-facilities.html
Yes, JT wasn't available partly because of YOU, the same helmet who then got 'injured' when he was picked over Terry and eventually quit. The FA's handling over that incident was a disgrace and led to the retirement of arguably England's best player, and one who has outshone every single one of them last season at 33 years of age.