Don't need to expect something that has been happening in real time since 2005
Empty Old Trafford
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Blood is on the hands of whoever allowed it
The players would probably play better without the fans there at the moment tbh. I think currently the pressure of playing in front of a frustrated OT crowd is getting to them.
Nope, I definitely want to see the Liverpool game now... the eternal optimist that's me
Nope, I definitely want to see the Liverpool game now... the eternal optimist that's me
Get it cancelled for good of this club
But its not for the good of the club is it! 3 losses on the spin at the start of a season will do more damage than all the protests in the world. On the other hand a decent result against Liverpool (leave you to decide what that might look like!), might just be the 'shock therapy' everyone at OT needs.
Either way, it wont provide us with new owners, and even if it did I would be highly skeptical of any new owners that would want to take over the club in its present state.
The Glazer business model had seem to be to 'grow the asset' from the £0.8B value up to recently values (Forbes) between £3-4B. But they have already held on too long, a sporting franchise (the asset) that was 'top of the world' but now has a team that cannot win, no top players want to come, and the ground needs massive investment, is heading only one way. When the Glazer's business plan crashes and burns, what will be left of the club, indeed will we still be at OT or will they make their final killing by selling off one of the most famous landmarks in the country....? its not over till the fat lady sings, Avram is warming her up though!
Erm..no..hope your enjoying our descent into mediocrity.
The fanbase of utd are as much of a shambles as the owners and players. Watching idiots pull out glazer out banners when the team is 4-0 down... really!!! There needs to be one united voice coming from all the fans with protests organised through that one voice. Walking out of matches having paid for the ticket wearing another set new utd jerseys.... the irony and stupidty of that just beggars belief. Glazzers out , Glazzers out and then those same idiots head to the superstore...... moronic! Until everyone is acting as one and hitting the glazer parasites in their pockets they will ignore the fanbase completely.... Club sponsors also need to be targeted until something drastic changes!! It will probably mean things get worse before it gets better but needs must! Also absolute chancers like Knighton need to be ignored unless they are a viable potential owner with the resources to take over and invest heavily.
Promote this newbie for fantastic post
In this thread, it is generally people who have never been anywhere near Old Trafford who think boycotting is a good idea because they dont actually understand anything about it.
Firstly it has been tried before and failed, the fact is that a mass boycott will never happen at Old Trafford because our fanbase is too big and disperate to have any chance. The very maximum possible is to get 1 section of the ground empty, even that will take weeks of planning and certainly not going to happen because a few anonymous Twitter accounts get a couple of hashtags trending 1 week before a game.
Secondly, even if it was in anyway possible (and it isnt), what will it acheive anyway? Certainly there will not be much financial hit to the owners as all matches are already sold out and there is big demand for any spare tickets that come up - if its just for publicity then there are better options (see the Charlton video for example)
The whole idea that matchgoers can get rid of the Glazers by boycotting a match is naive at best
I at least respect you for that! But read above for why I will save you the money
But if you really believe it will make any difference then I am happy to follow through for future matches - just DM me
How else will they be forced out? They will stay for as long as the money keeps rolling in. Yes, it's a painful move, but what else would work? A financial strike from the fans is the only way.
More than this is reputational damage
Will not be possible ... looking at Charlton's fan base, it seems that their fans are almost entirely White working class or lower middle class people (surprising for a city like London). There is a sense of unity or togetherness in culture and social class. United fan base is too diverse on a racial/cultural, economic, nationality scale. You'll never be able to pull this off. The few who do will be considered miscreants rather than freedom fighters.
Infact diversity is used as a weapon by corporations to dissuade 'unionization':
https://observer.com/2020/04/amazon-whole-foods-anti-union-technology-heat-map/
https://www.vox.com/recode/23282640...veals-amazons-anti-union-strategies-teamsters
Bizarre comment - making judgements about social class from watching a video! Not to mention irrelevant links to threads about unions in USA which has nothing to do with this
An empty Old Trafford will never happen, but what exactly in the Charlton Athletic video do you think our fan base can't manage?!
I'm assuming you missed the huge ESL protest last year, not to mention Green&Gold etc in the past
I also enjoyed him being surprised by Charltons support having a large white working class population, you know with them being based in the famously posh and rich metropolis of south east London
Beachballs, funeral procession and other such sustained harassment. You will be escorted outside the grounds, probably get charged and be laughed at by most of the influential media who would want to maintain a good relationship with PL owners. You are not a plucky little division 3 club like Charlton. You are a massive business who has encouraged players in the past to agitate for moves (Berbatov). The media will eat you alive.
Results/league position are all secondary at this point, even relegation.
Enough is enough.
The parasitic, cancerous ownership must be forced out this season by any means necessary.
Enough is enough.
The parasitic, cancerous ownership must be forced out this season by any means necessary.
Is this happening?
No, it never was. It's a twitter hash tag - no fan group ever backed it.
All the people interviewed were White. All of them had accents associated with the working class.
Stop the video at 5.22 which is a fairly random shot of fans. I could count maybe 1 Black fan amongst a sea of Whites.
Don't opposition fans mock you: "Green & Gold, you'll do as you're told!" ?
Waving scarfs is all you'll be permitted to do in the long run. PL owners and the bosses who run the media are tight friends. The mainstream media won't rock the boat and televise the revolution - maybe a few disgruntled fans.
No, they don't really.
As for the rest of the post...I'm lost where you are going with it TBH.
I think fans should ideally gather outside of Old Trafford on a matchday with big protests, non violent of course.
Regardless of whether the stadium is full, in match buildups, Sky/BT/ESPN would draw much screen time toward the scenes outside the stadium and the reputational damage toward Glazers is something they would find tricky to ignore for too long.
Regardless of whether the stadium is full, in match buildups, Sky/BT/ESPN would draw much screen time toward the scenes outside the stadium and the reputational damage toward Glazers is something they would find tricky to ignore for too long.
What I'm saying is that United's fans are too diverse culturally, economically and geographically to organize sustained protests.
Your only hope is for fans to partner with a buying group to purchase all the free shares in the market and become a significant holder (25% + shareholding). Basically create an SPV with money coming in from a buying group and fans, and let the SPV purchase the shares in the market. As a significant shareholder, you can both demand granular data which may only have been disclosed at a very top-level (eg. agents fees, player contracts, etc) as well as put a legal challenge on dividends/salaries being paid.
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They obviously don't care about reputational damage, it's all about the money for them
So why did they address the fanbase and agree to meet, albeit virtually, when we last did a mass protest? There is a tangible connection to reputational damage by way of sponsors, so they definitely care.
You are never going to fix a problem that's been around almost two decades if losing three games in a row is seen as damaging.
Feck it, I'm up for getting relegated on zero points. Where do I sign up for that?
This is where you are completely wrong - the media love to cover this kind of thing, anything United related gets huge coverage regardless
Sky in particular have been reporting a lot on the Glazer stuff recently
Green&Gold also had mass coverage all those years ago
I ask you again - did you miss the huge protests and media coverage of the ESL protests last year?!
Even the smaller recent protests have had coverage
What financial strike though? All the fans that pay for tickets and walk out? They’ve Already give them money, they won’t give a crap how many people walk out. Won’t work till everyone is on the same page… no good having halve the fan base outside old Trafford and the other halve inside old Trafford. We’ve done things like this time and time again, they even invaded the pitch and caused damages to the ground. Didn’t achieve one single thing.
I dont agree with that - historic and recent protests have been attended by fans of all colours, class and areas so that is not the issue.
The actual issue is simply the huge size of our fanbase meaning its difficult to get everyone to agree on any specific course of action - its the same with most United related issues, everyone has their own opinions.
A 'fan friendly' takeover has also been attempted - there was the Red Knights around the time of G&G but the Glazers didnt want to sell. At the moment only a minority of shares are listed so what you describe is not possible but a Fan Share Scheme is on the cards
Agreed, it's too late for this season, but how about we get our act together for next? Season tickets, memberships, merchandise, sponsor boycotts. Let's see what happens then. I can't think of another way to hurt the Glazers and force their hand, other than hitting them in the pocket. It's money they are here for, so turn off the financial taps.
Hope this can happen in Liverpool game.
It wont. And it shouldn’t.
Not the right time (if there is ever a right time), for a no-go. The Team needs the support.
Whatever actions are to be taken, they need to be properly planned and approved by the majority. This hashtag nonsense. I’ve seen various EmptyOT proclaimers on Facebook posting from Florida and Sydney.
This is the reason of Casemiro
Glazersout is trending topic on twitter all over the world
Really hope signing Casemiro doesn’t slow down the Monday protests
If anything keeping those protests huge will make the Glazers realise that nothing they do will change it
If anything keeping those protests huge will make the Glazers realise that nothing they do will change it
Please please please, protest on #twitter or hold up signs at the game, but leaving seats empty that already have been paid for seems a bit daft to me. But I hope the game takes place as it will be the biggest game of the season so far, by quite some margin. Also, I think Man United will win if they play a counter-attacking style and DDG has a good evening. Liverpool go into this under possibly more pressure than United, they expected to be challenging for the title, but a defeat would put them pretty much out of it before the schools go back!
A second point I'd like to make is that the Glazers own the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the NFL, one of the most successful football (American football) teams in the US these last few years, that should at least prove that they know how to run a successful sports team.
It also doesn't look like they are shying away from investing in new players or in paying adequate salaries, thus any comparison with say Liverpool when they were in decline under Hicks and Gillett is misleading, those Americans never really invested in Liverpool, the criticism by Liverpool fans was that they were in over their head as far as running a sports team, and were very reluctant to spend any money.
Now, at Man United, the Glazers seemed to do fine as long as Sir Alex Ferguson was at the helm, but the club is apparently a shambles now, and the blame falls mainly on who? The board? The Scouts? The Manager? Ronaldo! It is probably a combination of all of those, but blaming it solely on the Glazers is just a way to look for scapegoats.
Just an outside opinion.
It shows mate. Totally inaccurate.
The Glazers are the root of the clubs problems. No doubt.
Not really, I'm afraid. The Glazers just lucked into the greatest and most successful quarterback of all time because the Patriots did not offer him a multi-year contract extension. Before that the Buccaneers had lost 101 games and won 59 games over a 10 year period, while having 5 different head coaches (Morris, Schiano, Lovie, Koetter, Arians). Once Brady leaves or retires (and stays retired), they will be back to their old ways.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/index.htm
That is not the record of a well-run organization, particularly at ownership level.
2009: 4th (i.e, dead last)
2010: 3rd
2011: 4th
2012: 4th
2013: 4th
2014: 4th
2015: 4th
2016: 2nd
2017: 4th
2018: 4th
2019: 3rd
2020: 2nd (Brady's first year)
2021: 1st (Brady's second year)
2010: 3rd
2011: 4th
2012: 4th
2013: 4th
2014: 4th
2015: 4th
2016: 2nd
2017: 4th
2018: 4th
2019: 3rd
2020: 2nd (Brady's first year)
2021: 1st (Brady's second year)
Can`t see empty seats that are already paid for bothering these feckin parasites. I just want them out though, horrible cnuts. The club is so broken from what it once was I am behind the fans all the way that are in a position and make the effort to protest as I can`t see things ever improving as long as the club belongs to these cnuts.