Take away the hook and the singing, I think the song is alright, I mean every website you look to, it's getting much love, the Caf is a tough crowd!
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Take away the hook and the singing, I think the song is alright, I mean every website you look to, it's getting much love, the Caf is a tough crowd!
Hmmm...partly true but mostly not. Battle rappers will always prepare a few punches when they know who they're battling, and at meet up like Scribble Jam or the Jump Off they'll prepare a line or two for everyone they're likely to face, and some generic filler lines for fat people/skinny people/people in hats...but the best stuff is always worked out as their opponent is rapping, and they can use a line against them...To say it doesn't go on anymore is a bit of a cop out for those who write it entirely...and rubbish in the main mate Eminem for example can freestyle well, but if he's written it, it isn't a freestyle....and the less he has to do it, the less he will
This is freestyling
All these lines, alot of it is already written, it's like that dude Iron Solomon, you watch enough of his videos you start seeing him repeat stuff. The guys who get raped in these battles are usually the lads who are actually rapping off the top of the dome. They get destroyed.
This is what an actual freestyle sounds like, it's wack, no actually it's very wack but it's off the top of the dome.
This is why I don't agree with everybody whe they say Big L (rip) murdered Jay Z in this freestyle, because Jay Z is the only one who is actually trying to rap off the top of his dome
Big L is all written
That's rubbish Mockney. I've supported countless artists, who have made the step up from Underground to Mainstream, who haven't changed their music in order to make that move. There's plenty of artists who have made the step up but who have kept the core of their support from the Underground by simply not abusing us or their music. The people who hate people like me are the underground artists who have had enough with it, who change their styles, music and and all the things that endered us to them in the first place, to make music for the masses, and rightly so they should fear us.
Eminem is an example of this. Not so much from the underground part, but he has consistently let his music slide in order to spread his success worldwide, then he's changed his main audience, the nature of his music changed when he figured not as many people will understand what I used to say. Eminem is one of the biggest sellouts I can think of, and past some old unreleased tracks, a decent first album, and a rare compiled mixtape, he's not done all that much.
I look at his career and can't listen to the majority of it, as it isn't catered for the people who grew up listening to that Eminem, rather we now hear the one who made it.
As for using other examples, yes, you could name probably a hundred other artists who have done much worse, but then this is a thread on Eminem and I think the difference from his music in the early 90's, to what he makes these days is so extreme, it shouldn't be excused.
As for 150 artists with better careers, yes an exaggeration, but I can name a 150 other underground artists who I think have made better music with their lives. Easily.
And this is why they hate you hec...because who the feck are you?...They abuse us?....oh please...Anyone in any creative medium wants to change at one point or another. It's their choice to do, they owe you and their support nothing in that regard. Experimenting, changing, trying to see what else you're good at. It's what people do throughout their lives. The people who claim they have to do what they've always been doing to please their fans are absolute cnut flaps IMO.
Like the people who booed Dylan for going electric. They should get over themselves and maybe try and do something creative themselves.
That sounded a little harsh...but I really do hate the "they owe it to us not to "compromise" their music" bollocks. No they fecking don't.
That said, if they're shit at it...or what they try to turn their hand to fails, or isn't to your liking - Like Eminem's stuff to me IMO - then fair enough. And if you've built up a career by being deliberately anti-commercial, or made songs about never going pop, and then do just that (like the BEP did) then you deserve to get brought up on it....But to disparage them for abandoning you?, just by not making the same stuff...Oh do feck off.
That's rubbish Boss...Iron Solomon does write all his stuff, that's very true...but The Saurus doesn't write most of it...He's just prepared and knows what rhymes with what to set up the freestyle punch through years of experience doing it...I know someone who knows him well (and was supposed to be battling him but he wasn't allowed in the country in the end). As I said, there are elements of written filler in there, but it's mostly off the top, especially the bits that are rebuttals to previous verses...The guys who get raped are the guys who aren't good at it.
You'll think of a punch on the spot, and then use any number of feed up filler lines you've got stored in your "bank" to complete the bar.
You've just found someone who's rubbish and said "this is what actual freestylers sound like"...which is complete nonsense, he's just not good at it. I know people that run and compete in the jump off. Believe me.
There is a lot of improvisation that goes on, and the sharpest off the dome are the winners....you can't just say "freestyles aren't freestyles anymore"...rubbish. The cypher stuff is all written and rehearsed...there's no comparison.
Fair play Mockney, you speak alot of sense.
Lose Yourself wasn't the pinnacle of Eminem, The Marshal Mathers LP was.
Eminem makes great pop music.
I'm going to use Eminems trackmate B.O.B. as an example Mocks
Go to Music News, Reviews, Articles, Information, News Online & Free Music | Billboard.com , go to the top 100, and see who is #1 and #9 as of when this post was made (Brace yourself for an eye burning experience though)... The B.O.B. album was how Andre 3000 from Outkast SHOULD have been marketed, but the difference is Andre is a mystery and his musical sense was (Well, is) very abstract and not exactly the best for "pop" circles (Though Hey Ya was a brilliant tune)...
What Grand Hustle did with B.O.B. was let him create the album he wanted in the same mould Andre 3000 did his thing... Kid Cudi was given the same freedom and went gold... As a result of this freedom, his (B.O.B) first 2 singles are top 10, not to mention the fact the Airplanes version that is #9, DOESN'T even feature Eminem on the radio.... Imagine if it did?
I have no issues with how these records are produced, B.O.B. is a rapper, but he's a fantastic artist as well and I have zero issues with him or his advancement into pop music.
As for issue with the production of Eminem's music, I think the instrumental aspect of his music is at its best still, Relapse was full of great marks and it dates back to the SSLP... He's been very open about the production on his upcoming album, crediting some of the best in the industy in Just Blaze, Boy 1da, Havoc, as well as keeping that hardcore Dre sound Eminem does so well on.
More on this later in the post...
Spot on, and I think Relapse was an attempt to do that, but the god damn accent ruined half the album... "Same Song and Dance" was the only song on that album with the accent that seemed appropriate, and it's no secret in my opinion that was one of his best tunes EVER.
Recovery seems to be potentially emotional, people forget every time he has a "first single" it's always something for radio friendly circles, but this, this is kind of on the edge of just honest music... Though Not Afraid seems a bit too safe, and the singing kind of kills the song, it's not that bad.
I won't bother Hectic, but
So did I, infact the album itself was one of his best "built" records, though it hasn't a lick on his first 3 studio albums (Not counting Infinite, which was a lyrical masterpiece), it eclipsed Encore and was actually one of my favortie hip-hop releases from 2009.
And We Made You, i *gulp* kind of liked.
Mockney, Thesaurus is known for writing, it's his rebuttals that is what puts him on top of the world... Grindtime, KOTD, Don't ****, etc are ALL written battles.
If you want to see freestyle, check out this kid from Canada named Charron, he is a machine.
I'm going to use Eminems trackmate B.O.B. as an example Mocks
Go to Music News, Reviews, Articles, Information, News Online & Free Music | Billboard.com , go to the top 100, and see who is #1 and #9 as of when this post was made (Brace yourself for an eye burning experience though)... The B.O.B. album was how Andre 3000 from Outkast SHOULD have been marketed, but the difference is Andre is a mystery and his musical sense was (Well, is) very abstract and not exactly the best for "pop" circles (Though Hey Ya was a brilliant tune)...
What Grand Hustle did with B.O.B. was let him create the album he wanted in the same mould Andre 3000 did his thing... Kid Cudi was given the same freedom and went gold... As a result of this freedom, his (B.O.B) first 2 singles are top 10, not to mention the fact the Airplanes version that is #9, DOESN'T even feature Eminem on the radio.... Imagine if it did?
I have no issues with how these records are produced, B.O.B. is a rapper, but he's a fantastic artist as well and I have zero issues with him or his advancement into pop music.
As for issue with the production of Eminem's music, I think the instrumental aspect of his music is at its best still, Relapse was full of great marks and it dates back to the SSLP... He's been very open about the production on his upcoming album, crediting some of the best in the industy in Just Blaze, Boy 1da, Havoc, as well as keeping that hardcore Dre sound Eminem does so well on.
More on this later in the post...
Spot on, and I think Relapse was an attempt to do that, but the god damn accent ruined half the album... "Same Song and Dance" was the only song on that album with the accent that seemed appropriate, and it's no secret in my opinion that was one of his best tunes EVER.
Recovery seems to be potentially emotional, people forget every time he has a "first single" it's always something for radio friendly circles, but this, this is kind of on the edge of just honest music... Though Not Afraid seems a bit too safe, and the singing kind of kills the song, it's not that bad.
I won't bother Hectic, but
So did I, infact the album itself was one of his best "built" records, though it hasn't a lick on his first 3 studio albums (Not counting Infinite, which was a lyrical masterpiece), it eclipsed Encore and was actually one of my favortie hip-hop releases from 2009.
And We Made You, i *gulp* kind of liked.
Mockney, Thesaurus is known for writing, it's his rebuttals that is what puts him on top of the world... Grindtime, KOTD, Don't ****, etc are ALL written battles.
If you want to see freestyle, check out this kid from Canada named Charron, he is a machine.
Checking him out now
JayWalker reppin' the Caf!
Story with Charron is he went to some qualifying tournament as a joke but came up with some of the wittiest comebacks the guy who hosts KOTD videos (Organik) so he signed him on... Right now he's in the semi-final grand prix, Thesaurus is actually the champion of the Canadian scene right now after beating our old champion Hollohan (Who is best mates with a good friends of mine)
I have no idea what your point is?...how well it does in the charts says what exactly?
Read what I said in the post, and in a later post. Of course every battle rapper pre writes certain aspects..His rebutals are exactly what puts him on top, and they're frees...He also writes far less than someone like Solomon since the WRC & The Jump Off WEREN'T written battles. But yes, a good proportion of every battle contains numerous written fillers or "banked" fat people/people in hats/asian lines...Depends which battles they are.
meh...much like The Saurus. Or at least very much trying to be. Only not as entertaining....odd you would pick him as a "better" example...or maybe it's just cos he's canadian?
That production of pop scraps have a young, mostly unknown artist on the rise...
Even that Charron kid, he's amazing but it's not 'true' freestyling
One of the true classic freestyles, all off the top
"Freestlye, no need to write shit
cause when we write shit y'all like to bite shit!! "
So?
...when are you going to battle rap me Ando?...And where is the rap battle thread anyway?...feck it, i'm going to write something to record tonight. I'm bored.
I just don't think it's a bad issue for developing hip-hop artists using what you call "pop scraps" to give them a boost... Someone like Emineme for example should be well past this stage.
And we do need to battle soon hahaha
Why don't you just cut the pretense and bone each other?
You're right actually....For some reason I didn't actually look at the post you'd quoted me from and thought it was another one. It's about right...though I still think it isn't that hard to produce a decent beat without resorting to pilfering catchy loops.
You could rap at each other while you were doing it...
Trust Brooker to right some genius like that.
Meh. It's a nothing song.
Eminem's a genius when he's actually rapping about something that has feeling, rather than just blurting out irrelevant shite, which is all he's been doing for a few years now.
Eminem's a genius when he's actually rapping about something that has feeling, rather than just blurting out irrelevant shite, which is all he's been doing for a few years now.
I don't think it's a nothing song like 'just lose it' etc, he's basically saying he's back, appologising for his last cd and letting the fans down with his hiatus, is going to come harder than that, doing this one for the fans, he talks about getting off the drugs to help himself and thanks the fans for helping him do it, no more mindless beefs and to concentrate more on being a father. After all the tribultions of the lase few years he's finally happy again. I mean he's kind of trying to say something, I'm wondering if anybody listened to the song at all or just switched off when he started singing. It's a good track.
Word Boss, people just listen to how it's delivered and not what it is that's being said... It's a good tune, especially for an Eminem first single.
Yeah, but it's the same shit he's been rapping about for about the last three albums now, and he doesn't do it with feeling anymore. His songs are genius when you can actually feel the emotion in them, even though they'd usually go too far. Don't get that with this one. It's just a song.
....and a shit song
I quite like it. This line made me laugh:
Let's be honest, that last Relapse CD was "ehhhh"
Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground
I'm glad he admitted it! It was doing my head in!
It was an ok song.
Thought I'd put this here rather than the hip hop thread since this has caused muchos discussion.
Tracklist:
Rihanna and Pink
Still, I'm really looking forward to this now, Not Afraid is really only weak on its chorus; Eminem always releases the worst song off his albums first. He did it with 'We Made You' for Relapse.On Jonathan Ross this week.
I have no problem with him doing a song with Rihanna, Pink is a bit weird
I can see the song with Pink being a hit, dunno why but I think it will surprise people a lot.
"Not Afraid" is the best I've heard from that guy in ages.
Recovery should be leaking soon. Its released a few days after Drake's album which has already leaked - so hopefully Em will leak this weekend.