Even if your ludicrous statement that he isn't united quality, we need more depth on the left. Martial isn't going to cut it for every game
Emil Forsberg
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How good is this lad, dont know a lot about him. Seen him play for Sweden but i didn't notice him too much which says a lot for that day. Seen we were linked.
some stats about the kid in comparison to the wonderful Ousman Dembele
There will be some very happy people here if we are really in for him @cheeky_backheel
Been chosen in the Bundesliga team of the year where him, Kieta, Alcantar, and Dembele in the midfield. Emil managed to assist, score and create chances more than the three mentioned above.
He's a great player. But I highly doubt Leipzig will sell. Maybe next year. But now would be too early. They are too rich and too ambitious to sell players without a fight.
Another #10 basically who can play out wide but isnt an actual winger. Not what we need.
If we are after this guy, why the feck are we not going after Mahrez.
Weren't you the one who insisted we weren't really in for Perisic, that the pursuit was just paper talk and we were more likely in for someone like Forsberg?
It would be good to have someone natural on the left wing, even if it isn't Perisic, I don't think we have any depth there.
Have we actually been linked though ?
Have we actually been linked though ?
Again with the mahrez and bernado Silvia comps, they play on different wings and we need more depth on the left
Doubt Leipzig will sell Forsberg after the year he's just had, and I'm not sure he's explosive enough to play as a dedicated cutting edge left winger in the Premier League, or whether our attacking patterns are suited to bringing the best out of a versatile, movement based attacker like him - because putting him in a relatively static team will be counterproductive and blunt some of his biggest qualities. Good player, no doubt, but someone who transitions between left midfielder, left forward and a more centrally oriented attacker behind Poulsen and Werner in Hasenhüttl's fluid Carré Magique-esque 4222-442-diamond which places an emphasis on perceptive interplay between the forwards, and not a more orthodox Perisić type player. Wish we'd reconsider the approach of targeting (or signing) the likes of Forsberg, or Mkhitaryan and Kagawa (who played in very dynamic setups at Dortmund and Leipzig - that amplified their displays beyond their nominal individual level) when we don't have a coherent plan for designing similarly complementary systems or roles for them. Their performances will invariably oscillate when they're out of their elements, and you'll have folks questioning why we even bought said player.
Not a winger we should be looking for. Another Mata, Mkhi type player. Pass.
We don't need more depth. We need quality. We have more than enough players who can play on the left. Signing one more inverted winger isn't going to help one bit if we carry on with the inept Darmian at LB.
I was looking at alternatives to Perisic and Forsberg seemed great in terms of age, goals and assists
RB are back in the CL though and you only have to look at their stance on Keita to see how difficult this would be
RB are back in the CL though and you only have to look at their stance on Keita to see how difficult this would be
Other than martial name another back up we have that plays on the left.
Really?
Martial
Rashford
Lingard
That's 3 right there as well as Pereira. And even Mata who's plays there. Probably even Mkhi if we need.
Mahrez can play on both wings perfectly fine. As it is, we need a right winger more than anything else. Valencia is left on his own to his stuff without any support there as Mata, Mkhitaryan and Lingard all play like a #10 when they are out there on the pitch.
Well, now that we're talking to Leipzig, maybe we can get them to discuss Naby Keita. It might be a subject that interests them?
It is clearly not.
If this is the type of wide player we're looking at then I see it's reasonable for people to bring Mahrez into discussion. It's not like this guy is more consistent more than one season. Mahrez has proven himself in PL by actually winning it, & also showed he can perform in CL when being motivated.
Mahrez was played on right wing to utilize his left foot for shooting. He can play well on the left if required. Definitely, if we're looking at a player like this, then we missed the boat big time with Bernado Silva & Bernardeschi.
If depth here means a player like this Forsberg guy who likes to drift inside to make play, then we already have enough depth. Mata,Martial, Micky & Lingard all can do that. He may have one stormer season but doesn't guarantee much going onto PL & a club with huge expectation like us.
Edit: I forgot a big name PL proven that seems to transferable this summer if we're going this route: Alexis Sanchez.
Mahrez was played on right wing to utilize his left foot for shooting. He can play well on the left if required. Definitely, if we're looking at a player like this, then we missed the boat big time with Bernado Silva & Bernardeschi.
If depth here means a player like this Forsberg guy who likes to drift inside to make play, then we already have enough depth. Mata,Martial, Micky & Lingard all can do that. He may have one stormer season but doesn't guarantee much going onto PL & a club with huge expectation like us.
Edit: I forgot a big name PL proven that seems to transferable this summer if we're going this route: Alexis Sanchez.
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It's complete nonsense that we desperately need this old fashioned winger. Barely any big teams actually have any players like that and even if they do they're usually backups. People are just obsessing over this because Jose has been after Perisic all summer. Last years PL champions didn't have that kind of winger. Barcelona don't. City don't apart from navas who is crap. These days fulls are the ones to provide the proper width.
A "proper winger"is a player who is a consistent threat down his wing as a creative force, either via crossing or playmaking. Beckham would count as one.
We do not have anyone with experience, who is a natural on our left wing. The right wing has no such problem
I couldn't agree anymore. What we need are better fullbacks, and depth there. I love Tony V, love that he's still around but is his quality with the cross and attacking threat in general all that good? I'd rather fancy a back three of Lindelof, Bially and Tony than have him as a RB. We need a right back, and a left back. We can play the young three up front, like Barca plays Neymar Messi and Suarez. Our midfield could be mkhi and Pogba in front of Herrera. With the the fullbacks it would be all we need.
Silva- Lemar, Sane- Sterling, Neymar, Messi, Ribery-Robben,-Coman, Lucas-Draxler-Di Maria, Mane, Alexis......
If you are calling all those players old fashioned wingers almost all of them are more comfortable cutting inside than providing width.
Exactly.. utterly bizarre comment.
Orthodox wingers ala touch-line hugging might not exist in the elite teams anymore but wide-forwards who go down the line, and cut in, and are expected to prove ball-carrying thrust and score/provide 20-30 goals a season are found in all the top sides.
This is why I have been saying we need to be playing Martial and Rashford, because all these top teams are playing wit two widemen.. whereas we as a squad lack any proper widemen and the two who can do half a decent job there are constantly being made to compete against each other instead of being told to work with each other and give this team some much needed width.
Not to mention most top sides have world class wing backs to go with it, whereas we don't even have that either.
The point is they are comfortable providing and holding width. Just because a winger cuts in doesn't mean he doesn't provide width. Ribery and Robben for example are insight out wingers but they provide a Bayern constant width. Even Sterling and Sane at City are encouraged to stay very wide unless there is a chance to get inside the fullback to score.
Back to the topic in hand Forsberg is a Ribery type winger.
Ribery has pace, dribbling and playmaker qualities and you wont find that very often. Forsberg is much more playmaker playing with brain, but speed and dribbling are not his main strengths.
Ribery would be one of the last I would compare him with..more like Mkhitaryan, Eriksen or even Mata.
Leipzig wont agree selling him though.
He is more Beckham than Ribery
Not sure if this (non-)story is worth posting. Mourinho probably attended the match between Sweden and Italy to watch Darmian and Lindelof playing, but Simon Jones and the Mail claim Mourinho was scouting Emil Forsberg.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nager-Jose-Mourinho-scouts-Emil-Forsberg.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nager-Jose-Mourinho-scouts-Emil-Forsberg.html
I'm from Sweden and would take him at United any day of the week so I am somewhat biased. Great with the ball at his feet, creative, can obviously make a lot of assists, works hard for the team and can play at both wings and in the numer 10 role. Would be a great buy!
and the consensus the year before was we needed to sign a right winger..... which we dont seem to have done yet still seem to be looking at left wingers Perisic, Forsberg.....
we have far more depth then we do on the left then we do on the right
There is no depth either wing. United have no wide players. They have players that play either side but all of them would prefer to operate centrally.
you still have more quality players comfortable starting on the left then right, Mata is arguably our first choice there and has never looked comfortable in the role Mourinho wants him to play.
Also that just football these days their ant many traditional style wingers out there most players who play their are wide forwards, traditional style wingers are now basically full backs in the modern game.
plus you could argue we don't want a traditional winger as we don't have a forward line that suits that kind of player.
I would say having a natural wide player that could operate in the inner channels also would be an absolute bonus. Missing a wide player that can actually put in a decent cross is killing United. Often there are forrays forward that end in abject disappointment as Young balloons a ball high high into the sky or Valencia smashes the ball against the opposing full backs ankles.
Lukaku would love a player that drifts wide - taking defenders with him - giving him more space to attack and hell there may even be a decent cross to attack. The trick is try and give the opponent something to think about. If you know everything will come down the middle then its easy to set up against. As we have seen.
United need to have that wide boption - yes the days of a fella spending the match hugging the touchline are over but the wide channels are empty space in United games - unused. A bit like the two outside areas on a tennis court in a singles match.
United just dont have that kind of player or tactical want to use the width - and by god it shows.