You know the sayin'. Red Bull gives you wings.
Sorry, couldn't resist spamming with that chestnut. My favorite drink too, this discussion is making me thirsty for it.
Emil Forsberg
- Thread starter Classical Mechanic
- Start date
You know the sayin'. Red Bull gives you wings.
Sorry, couldn't resist spamming with that chestnut. My favorite drink too, this discussion is making me thirsty for it.
He is good, maybe a top one.
He's good but he's not a conventional winger. Mata sort of a player and I prefer to keep Mata. We need someone who can hug the touch line. I would rather have Perisic than Forsberg. But I would definitely want Dembele. The guy is just amazing. He's probably really young but the guy is a superstar and we need to get him now before he performs unbelievably well next season for Dortmund and Barca try and get him to replace Neymar who maybe PSG bound.
Dele Alli moved up from MK Dons at age 19, which is pretty normal for talented players. Forsberg moved up at age 24. Big difference.
Last edited:
It's the opposite. His stats from the wing for Sweden are quite average (27apps 5goals 2assists, 1.735' mins). His only standout season was last year for RBL, where he drifted inside a lot and played as a playmaker.
The lad is right footed and he almost always cuts inside to cross. Also he's not particularly fast or a very good dribbler. His best attributes are movement, an eye for a pass, good anticipation.
So based on the above, what makes you think he makes a better LW than CAM?
Because those are the attributes of a winger at a top club these days.
In today's tactical landscape, inverted wingers doing just the above are commonplace.
Exactly unless people think guys like Ribery and Hazard are not wingers.
Stat wise, he was brilliant last year for Leipzig, so what?
Why? Each player is developing at their own pace. It comes quicker to some than others. But whether he is 19 or 24 when he makes the step up to the top level it doesn't really matter to us. It seems most players reach a sort of 'peak' in the late twenties so he still has plenty of times (at least one long contract worth) to 'grow'.
And Forsberg's hometown club was in the second division in Sweden. That is probably why it took him a while to move to one of the bigger leagues in Europe.
Not sure about him. Mkhitaryan also had crazy stats especially in assists before we bought him however he never impressed me in PL...
I would label Ribery as an attacking midfielder not a winger.
Mourinho clearly said we're looking for a winger, and this guy is no winger.
Really? He has played wide left for as long as I can remember.
Would be super expensive too. Dont want
i see i arrived too late for the "pace" posts, but early enough and before the "physicality" ones
Ribery plays wherever he wants and he is closer to a playmaker than a wide man. In fact, for Bayern he plays a role close to the ones Zidane played when he was starting wide.
Edit: Or Iniesta.
obligatory youtube video:
But, at think at this point the definition of a "winger" has changed. Since most guys who play wide left for top clubs do not just stay on the left and provide width.
Which is why we are not calling them all wingers.
What do we call them? Because at this point guys like Ribery and Hazard are the prototype for the LW position.
It depends on their roles, inside forward(Ronaldo, Neymar), wingers(Perisic, Douglas Costa) and wide playmakers(Mata, Ribery). The distinctions are made because of the variety that we see today.
From the little I have seen Forsberg seems to be part of the last group.
Well we could definitely use a wide playmaker type.
Really? Mata and Mkhi say hello
The consensus on here is we need a proper winger
Only because we have been linked with Perisic all summer. Before the window started people wanted us to sign Griezzmann and/or Bernardo Silva this summer.
Mata is a more central player in a 433 formation, sort of like Joe Cole, Hazard, Damien Duff.
Mhiki is a forward type as well, one who prefers being in the box rather than out wide. Not even close to a winger imho. A typical winger is a player like Jesus Navaz. Emil Forsberg is different to Mata and Mhiki because his position is much further down. He's closer to a David Beckham kind of winger - i.e not extremely fast but has some good ideas and can get into position.
Sick name
I would prefer an inside forward because we lack goals and a definitive switch to 433.
No they are not. Majority of top inverted wingers are very good dribblers as well as very fast. Ronaldo, Bale, Robben, Messi, Neymar, Hazard, Sanchez etc. etc. All very capable of beating an opponent with pace and dribbling skill. Mata is an inverted winger (technically) but doesn't possess these skills. He's not top for his position by any means, his skill-set makes him more suited to the middle. Forsberg is more of a Mata in his style than he is any of the players above.
Only RBL don't really play with inverted wingers. They play 4-2-2-2. Forsberg's only had 1 really good season in his career so far and it came playing as an advanced playmaker in the formation mentioned. Not as a winger in 4-3-3 like the rest of the top clubs use. Or like we play under Mourinho. Not to mention that RBL are not really a top club. As I stated before, he appearances on the left wing for Sweden did not really indicate he's Man Utd level for that position.
Additionally, Mourinho seemed to be after someone who could provide width on the left to compensate for the lack of width provided by the left back. Rather than another advanced playmaker or inverted winger. That's what his choice of Perisic seemed to indicate. The bottom line is, Forsberg hasn't shown he can do what Perisic does. He won't race down the touchline to put a cross in with his left. They are very different.
As repeated multiple times, the guy had 1 good season. For a team that did a Leicester. Up until 12 months ago you wouldn't say he's exceptional. He was in 2nd division having what was a simply decent season. I'm not saying that he couldn't actually be good and a late bloomer. But there is an obvious risk attached with players that haven't shown consistency up until 25 and were part of only 1 miracle season. It's an even chance between between a late bloomer and a 1 season wonder.
Would you sign Jamie Vardy because of his 1 good season with Leicester? He's not a bad player and neither is Forsberg, but would they improve a club of United's quality and aspirations?
Doesn't look too much like a winger there to be honest, clearly talented but completely different from that Perisic fella that Inter are trying to pull our pants down for.
Forsberg was 6th in the Bundesliga in dribbles per game. And to bring in back he was a much more effective dribbler and crosser than Perisic was last season.
If you're using Leicester as a comparison then yes it's even more reason to go after this guy...I would say Mahrez and Kante have shown themselves to be more than a flash in the pan. And Vardy isn't the worst either. We could do much worse.
I'll concede those points. Perisic is pretty wasteful with his crossing (I'm not his biggest fan either). Although some of that goes down to Inter forwards not being capable of converting. His stats for Croatia are outstanding.
We could do much better too. And technically Mahrez has shown exactly that (flash in the pan) since last season was nothing like the title winning one for him. And neither was Vardy's.
Should just have bought Bernardo Silva if we're now looking at this guy - which we probably aren't.
He's good but he ain't United quality. I could see Fergie buying him as a squad player / super-sub. Not what we need right now though, and waaay to expensive for what you would get.
Forsberg per 90 minutes averages 5 crosses which is less than perisic at 6.6 crosses per 90. However forsberg has a decent cross accuracy of 36% which is far better than Perisic's meager 18.8%.
In addition, forsberg is the more efficient dribbler. When adjusted for the LW/LM only(per whoscored) Perisic completes 1.3 dribbles per 90 while attempting 2.6.
Forsberg completes 2.6 dribbles while attempting 3.7 per 90 on the left. I think I know which player I prefer.
Forsberg completes 2.6 dribbles while attempting 3.7 per 90 on the left. I think I know which player I prefer.