Elon Musk's epic bacon adventures

[Pogue Mahone]

no, it's not a libel suit. My insurance will cover it but it was a distressing few weeks between being informed about it and acutally being served so you can start all the things you need to.

I feel your pain. I was once reported to the Medical Council and that fecking sucked. Having to go back over your decisions, second-guessing them and thinking how they would sound being picked apart by a barrister. The process takes fecking ages too. Took months and months for my case to be reviewed and - as it turns out - thrown out. So many a sleepless night was spent, stressing out about a day in court that never came. Best of luck to you.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

To be fair to Vern, he told Elon to stick the submarine where it hurts. I can think of many place on my body that would hurt if I stuck a submarine in/on it.

I'm still not sure what the hip thing to think of Elon Musk is. I mean, he makes environmentally friendly stuff so that's good, but he can be a bit of a cnut on Twitter and that's bad.

He's a white South African, which is suspect by default, but donates a lot of money to charity which is nice.

Please help.

So basically Dutch, right?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Probably...

What a prick, eh?

 

[KirkDuyt]

So basically Dutch, right?

As I said, suspect by default.

Honestly though, I think people love to discover mega rich people being cnuts so they can point and say see! money is the root of all evil!! feck you rich person!!

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Also, there's a 73% chance of dying when you stuck a sub in your arse.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Got any more inaccurate stories?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/11/elo...his-assistant-when-she-asked-for-a-raise.html

Sure, Musk says so on Twitter so it must be true .

In the same article the author responded standing by his anecdote. Isn't it strange so much time has passed and in a place as litigious as the US yet Musk never tried to sue him for it?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I feel your pain. I was once reported to the Medical Council and that fecking sucked. Having to go back over your decisions, second-guessing them and thinking how they would sound being picked apart by a barrister. The process takes fecking ages too. Took months and months for my case to be reviewed and - as it turns out - thrown out. So many a sleepless night was spent, stressing out about a day in court that never came. Best of luck to you.

Thanks, Pogue.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Seriously?

I work in oil and gas, I know a LOT of retired white guys living in Thailand.

Having said that, it was a bit tongue in cheek

 

[Eboue]

Probably...

If it actually happens then well done

 

[legolegs]

I guess his point is that if the diver was willing to slag Musk off on a public platform, then Musk should be allowed to slag him off on a public platform in return.

Obviously, Musk's insult was much more serious and everyone is naturally going to side with a cave-diving hero over a petulant billionaire. Which does dilute his point somewhat.

Well Musk's "insult" wasn't just an insult which is why he can't just say sorry or "but the other guy started it" and be done with it. It's a severe attack on this guy's reputation especially after doubling down on it and not taking it back for days.

 

[nimic]

To be fair to Vern, he told Elon to stick the submarine where it hurts. I can think of many place on my body that would hurt if I stuck a submarine in/on it.

I'm still not sure what the hip thing to think of Elon Musk is. I mean, he makes environmentally friendly stuff so that's good, but he can be a bit of a cnut on Twitter and that's bad.

He's a white South African, which is suspect by default, but donates a lot of money to charity which is nice.

Please help.

The real reason is his horrible labour practices.

 

[Silva]

but the other guy started it

which would just be another lie since elon was the one who decided to go to thailand 3/4 of the way through the rescue and shit talk everyone for not trying his very bad idea

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Also, there's a 73% chance of dying when you stuck a sub in your arse.

Would have thought it’s usually the dom sticking things in arses.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Well Musk's "insult" wasn't just an insult which is why he can't just say sorry or "but the other guy started it" and be done with it. It's a severe attack on this guy's reputation especially after doubling down on it and not taking it back for days.

Yeah, the two “insults” aren’t comparable in terms of severity. I did point that out tbf.

 

[The Firestarter]

Sure, Musk says so on Twitter so it must be true .

In the same article the author responded standing by his anecdote. Isn't it strange so much time has passed and in a place as litigious as the US yet Musk never tried to sue him for it?

They have a bit of a special relationship since he had unprecedented access to Musk and his offices during the writing of his book. I don't think he would sue him for something of that nature. Plus, he is no Donald Trump.

He says they hired multiple specialists in her place. I presume you mean he lied there for a fact that can be relatively easily fact checked by journalists ? And do you think he would give 52 weeks worth of salary plus stock as a severance package to an employee he supposedly fires because of a salary rise request?

 

[Vato]

The diver was there, I'm guessing he did have strong reason to think Musk was using the event to promote himself, and not "just trying to help". After all, they did have to see him in the cave and I'm thinking he was an unnecessary distraction.

That's what we all were thinking "live" just from reading his tweets, and we were on the other side of the world.

Musk got rightfully criticised for it, but this would be a non-issue and forgotten by now had he not decided to idiotically double with the kind of insult decent people just never make.

And now people are pointing out he's an idiot. I don't understand this "ruining his life" thing. His life isn't being ruined. He just needs to shut up and learn a lesson. It will go away with time.

Ok, that's fair enough, I guess he sounds like a massive cnut indeed.

But regarding your last paragraph I think you're really underestimating some of these guys. I'm 100% sure quite a few of them would completely sink him if they had the chance. For something like posting the wrong message on twitter. He'll just be "forgotten"soon because they'll have another target to focus on. It's usually how it goes. It's like a game for white people with too much time on their hands. Noone will convince me that they don't actually really enjoy these witchhunts. Which is sad and is basically my point. Anyway, better that these youngsters vent their frustrations like this than shooting up a school or bombing a mcdonalds or something I guess.

 

[Brophs]

Bottom line, if the way the world is going to work from now on is that billionaires turn up to the scenes of major disasters with miniature submarines and the like, then I'm all for it. And if a couple of fellas have to be called nonces on the internet to make that happen, well consider that acceptable collateral damage.

 

[balaks]

I think he is an arse for saying what he did on twitter - HOWEVER - at least he was trying to do something in relation to saving those kids and he shouldn't be mocked for that at all. Not only that the stuff he is trying to create re: transport and space is incredibly ambitious so more power to the guy I say.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

I guess his point is that if the diver was willing to slag Musk off on a public platform, then Musk should be allowed to slag him off on a public platform in return.

That's a fair point actually, I guess I was thinking more along the lines of someone who is being asked a question by a interviewer is quite literally provoked.

So basically Dutch, right?

Very sharp

From what I understand he's Canadian from his mother's side and the Musk name is Pennsylvania Dutch, which were Germans (the 'Deutsch' has become 'Dutch' in the English language). In general the Dutch were the first European settlers but there was an influx of British people after those first Dutch settlements, so I've always assumed white South Africans are some weird British-Dutch hybrid with some other European influences. Even weirder is that Afrikaans sounds an awful lot like how some Belgians talk Dutch.

 

[Silva]

Noone will convince me that they don't actually really enjoy these witchhunts. Which is sad and is basically my point.

and the best time to demonstrate your dislike of this is to stand up for a shitposter who leads witchhunts on a regular basis

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Bottom line, if the way the world is going to work from now on is that billionaires turn up to the scenes of major disasters with miniature submarines and the like, then I'm all for it. And if a couple of fellas have to be called nonces on the internet to make that happen, well consider that acceptable collateral damage.

Good point, well made.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

They have a bit of a special relationship since he had unprecedented access to Musk and his offices during the writing of his book. I don't think he would sue him for something of that nature. Plus, he is no Donald Trump.

He says they hired multiple specialists in her place. I presume you mean he lied there for a fact that can be relatively easily fact checked by journalists ? And do you think he would give 52 weeks worth of salary plus stock as a severance package to an employee he supposedly fires because of a salary rise request?

Which is more likely, a guy who called a selfless rescue diver 'pedo' not suing/forcing retraction of a salacious lie that is harmful to his professional reputation (and by extension that of his company) out of goodwill (but still found the time to whine about it on Twitter of all place), or maybe that story is actually true?

Neither you or I know the details of Mary Beth's contract. Being his assistant for 10 years would presumably entail a hefty compensation as a severance package anyway, not to mention all the personal info she was privy to working closely with him, and her complete silence on the matter suggest a NDA is involved. I also don't know why him hiring however many people to replace her is relevant to the story here.

 

[Eboue]

For something like posting the wrong message on twitter

That's not really it at all. Its because hes a union busting billionaire.

 

[Vato]

and the best time to demonstrate your dislike of this is to stand up for a shitposter who leads witchhunts on a regular basis

That's a bit harsh on Arruda, he's usually pretty sensible....

 

[The Firestarter]

Which is more likely, a guy who called a selfless rescue diver 'pedo' not suing/forcing retraction of a salacious lie that is harmful to his professional reputation (and by extension that of his company) out of goodwill (but still found the time to whine about it on Twitter of all place), or maybe that story is actually true?

Neither you or I know the details of Mary Beth's contract. Being his assistant for 10 years would presumably entail a hefty compensation as a severance package anyway, not to mention all the personal info she was privy to working closely with him, and her complete silence on the matter suggest a NDA is involved. I also don't know why him hiring however many people to replace her is relevant to the story here.

Because the anecdote is that he could do the job himself. And yeah, obviously you have already reduced all his life to his pedo comment. Bravo.

 

[legolegs]

which would just be another lie since elon was the one who decided to go to thailand 3/4 of the way through the rescue and shit talk everyone for not trying his very bad idea

Well yeah I just don't think it really matters if musk was insulted first or not.

Yeah, the two “insults” aren’t comparable in terms of severity. I did point that out tbf.

Yeah I know I just meant to say that Musk's insult is a defamation and not just a severe insult which imo makes it far more problematic than just seriously insulting the guy.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Because the anecdote is that he could do the job himself. And yeah, obviously you have already reduced all his life to his pedo comment. Bravo.

The annecdote is that he said he could do the job himself. Spot the distinction.

I haven't reduced his life to anything, you would do well to argue the point instead of making inference about my thought process.

What we know is this:

Ashlee Vance presented the story, which doesn't paint Musk in a good light
Musk responded saying it is false.
Vance stood by his story, followed by complete and utter silence from Musk.

This is a man who got on random argument with people on Twitter on multiple occasions (e.g.Reddit post some pages back), for something even as benign as someone criticising his idea of urban transport. So, in the absence of any successful litigation or denial from Mary Beth herself, I'm inclined to believe the story unless any of that changes, because the words of a man known for horrible labour practice in regards to, well, horrible labour practice, aren't very convincing.

 

[The Firestarter]

The annecdote is that he said he could do the job himself. Spot the distinction.

I haven't reduced his life to anything, you would do well to argue the point instead of making inference about my thought process.

What we know is this:

Ashlee Vance presented the story, which doesn't paint Musk in a good light
Musk responded saying it is false.
Vance stood by his story, followed by complete and utter silence from Musk.

This is a man who got on random argument with people on Twitter on multiple occasions (e.g.Reddit post some pages back), for something even as benign as someone criticising his idea of urban transport. So, in the absence of any successful litigation or denial from Mary Beth herself, I'm inclined to believe the story unless any of that changes, because the words of a man known for horrible labour practice in regards to, well, horrible labour practice, aren't very convincing.

You keep mentioning that current comment while trying to explain his credibility in the past, as if that current comment was a statement and not an insult. And, believe whoever you want to. Just keep in mind that he is within his right to fire / hire whoever he sees fit. And I've personally had way worse executives than what he supposedly is. But, of course , they were not world famous billionaires.

EDIT:
I don't think anyone apart from Musk without any brain reading powers can say with any certainty why she was fired.

 

[KirkDuyt]

So, in the absence of any successful litigation or denial from Mary Beth herself, I'm inclined to believe the story unless any of that changes, because the words of a man known for horrible labour practice in regards to, well, horrible labour practice, aren't very convincing.

Good thing you're not a judge then

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

You keep mentioning that current comment while trying to explain his credibility in the past, as if that current comment was a statement and not an insult. And, believe whoever you want to. Just keep in mind that he is within his right to fire / hire whoever he sees fit. And I've personally had way worse executives than what he supposedly is. But, of course , they were not world famous billionaires.

Moving the goalpost much?

Your initial response to me was a refutation of the story, asserting that as inaccurate (according to your hero anyhow). Now suddenly it is a case of, 'well he may be bad but I've known worse'?

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Good thing you're not a judge then

Wigs don't suit me.

 

[The Firestarter]

Moving the goalpost much?

Your initial response to me was a refutation of the story, asserting that as inaccurate (according to your hero anyhow). Now suddenly it is a case of, 'well he may be bad but I've known worse'?

No I still think the story is false. But if you read the book he is portrayed as being an extremely tough boss. That's what I meant there.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

Not only is he saving our planet, he's also inspiring the rest of humanity to do the same.



Look how she used an 'earth' emoji instead of typing a whole word, now if that's not some clever energy saving I don't know what is.

 

[Eboue]

Not only is he saving our planet, he's also inspiring the rest of humanity to do the same.



Look how she used an 'earth' emoji instead of typing a whole word, now if that's not some clever energy saving I don't know what is.

i appreciate her conservation of brain cells by not using any in that post

 

[Arruda]

That's a bit harsh on Arruda, he's usually pretty sensible....

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Even Jesus had his haters.

 

[Man of Leisure]

It costs USD 35K in the US. I don't think this is luxury segment. And UK pricing is irrelevant.

The one costing $35,000 is still unavailable. A couple co-workers of mine recently got Model 3s but paid closer to $60,000 for them due to upgrades including a bigger battery. Still no idea when the $35k version is coming out, but it’ll definitely be after the high performance version of the Model 3 costing $78,000 comes out. They figured it made sense to buy now before the limited number of tax credits ($7,500 from US plus $2,500 from California) run out.

 

[mav_9me]

The one costing $35,000 is still unavailable. A couple co-workers of mine recently got Model 3s but paid closer to $60,000 for them due to upgrades including a bigger battery. Still no idea when the $35k version is coming out, but it’ll definitely be after the high performance version of the Model 3 costing $78,000 comes out. They figured it made sense to buy now before the limited number of tax credits ($7,500 from US plus $2,500 from California) run out.

The performance version is out right now and it costs 64000$ with Autopilot and 59000$ without Autopilot. I would get the dual motor long range battery version for 53000$ right now. Price is before accounting for the 7500$ federal tax credit which is available till Dec 31 2018, after which it becomes half that for Q1 2019 and quarter that in Q2 2019.

 

[fallengt]

$35k base version of model 3 can't be mass produced, Musk admitted it'd bankrupt Tesla. Also the wait time has become ridiculous long ( up to 9 months as they claimed or 1 year as analyst suspected), about 1/4 of the orders have been canceled.

It's clear to me that they're in trouble.

 

[sun_tzu]

$35k base version of model 3 can't be mass produced, Musk admitted it'd bankrupt Tesla. Also the wait time has become ridiculous long ( up to 9 months as they claimed or 1 year as analyst suspected), about 1/4 of the orders have been canceled.

It's clear to me that they're in trouble.

I presume the margin is in the add-ons?
https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/25/technology/tesla-model-3-pricing/index.html

The spike in Model 3 orders clearly has hit waiting times - though in fairness I have to wait 6 months for my new electric 5 series so its hardly a problem unique to tesla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.

As for the future - Musk owns less than 20% - if the board decides their future is better served making batteries for other producers then that will be that (i certainly wouldn't be surprised to see that happen at some point in the next decade as traditional car manufacturers reach bottlenecks in switching to and increasing hybrid / electric rollouts)

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