Elon Musk | Doer of things on X and sad little man

I mean, just look at him. Watch the way he talks and moves. Might as well have a massive L right in the middle of his forehead.
Can someone post the photo of Elon doing the jumping X please?

That will answer all questions.

If he didn’t have money what would your opinion of Elon be? It’s clearly a fecking edge lord loser who spends his life on the internet.
 
It's genuinely crazy that people equate being rich and having power with being a cool person. Some of the biggest losers in the world have money and power, or one of them.
 
I think dweeb is a more fitting description. As much as I'd like to think he was a deeply unhappy loser knowing people of that sort he's probably very oblivious and riding high on achievements.
 
Launching a rocket into space then landing it in the sea? Science fiction in the 1940s, maybe. Science reality since the 1960s.

Rocketry is a dangerous business. What he's trying to do is the biggest step forward in space exploration since the moon landings, both in scope and availability.

The Shuttle cost $1.5 billion to launch. The SLS Block 1 will cost $2.5 billion. Musk charges $70m for a Falcon 9 flight today and is aiming to get Starship prices down to $10m.
 
Rocketry is a dangerous business. What he's trying to do is the biggest step forward in space exploration since the moon landings, both in scope and availability.

The Shuttle cost $1.5 billion to launch. The SLS Block 1 will cost $2.5 billion. Musk charges $70m for a Falcon 9 flight today and is aiming to get Starship prices down to $10m.

That’s well and good but nobody ever thought “science fiction stuff” would mean a cheaper version of things that had already been done, decades earlier.

I’m also not entirely sure that firing loads of rockets up into the atmosphere is a good thing. Is it really necessary? I imagine the carbon footprint is astronomical. And do we really need more and chunks of metal in orbit?
 
That’s well and good but nobody ever thought “science fiction stuff” would mean a cheaper version of things that had already been done, decades earlier.

I’m also not entirely sure that firing loads of rockets up into the atmosphere is a good thing. Is it really necessary? I imagine the carbon footprint is astronomical. And do we really need more and chunks of metal in orbit?

Cheaper means more accessible. New technologies are developed and the most cutting edge of all research is done. Eg you are a doctor; MRI imaging was originally developed for the moon landings. How do you think we model climate change? Satellites. It makes projects like Starlink possible which can supply internet to the 3bn or so people who don't currently have it for a fraction of the billions governments have spent trying to achieve the same thing.

But i prefer to forget cost and go science fiction. Musk may well put men on Mars in our lifetimes. That's the ultimate goal of Starship and SpaceX is much closer to that than Nasa is with SLS.


But most of all humans are designed to push the boundaries. Once we stop doing that we're in trouble as a species.
 
But most of all humans are designed to push the boundaries. Once we stop doing that we're in trouble as a species.
You should add "for the benefit of humankind"" as opposed to the version we are seeing now, which is for personal power and wealth. We are in trouble as a species, thanks to egos like Musk and Trump. They are not the solution.
 
You should add "for the benefit of humankind"" as opposed to the version we are seeing now, which is for personal power and wealth. We are in trouble as a species, thanks to egos like Musk and Trump. They are not the solution.

Musk cares for humanity when he says he wants to make life multiplanetary. There are faster ways to make a buck
 
You should add "for the benefit of humankind"" as opposed to the version we are seeing now, which is for personal power and wealth. We are in trouble as a species, thanks to egos like Musk and Trump. They are not the solution.

Hate to disappoint but nothing that changes mankind for the better is done altruistically.

Musk doesn't do it for money. He wants a legacy. He wants to be the one to expand our horizons beyond earth.
 
Hate to disappoint but nothing that changes mankind for the better is done altruistically.

Musk doesn't do it for money. He wants a legacy. He wants to be the one to expand our horizons beyond earth.
Yes, legacy = ego. And he is willing to do anything to move himself and his goals forward to build a legacy for himself.

To claim unselfish behaviour doesn't change humankind for the better is a ridiculous statement.
 
Musk cares for humanity when he says he wants to make life multiplanetary. There are faster ways to make a buck

That argument is kind've negated by how much he's worth though.

Judging by how he goes for markets where the industry is stagnant and overpriced, US arms manufacturers should probably be watching his relationship with Trump carefully right now.
 
People are still unironically defending Musk's motives and character. I'm not even peeved any more, it's just sad.
 
Musk cares for humanity when he says he wants to make life multiplanetary. There are faster ways to make a buck
There are faster ways and more urgent ways to care for humanity. Some that include non-USAmerican humans, too.

If he was only investing self-generated funds, I'd maybe say go for it. But we know he'll be knee deep in government funds. Education and basic healthcare are too expensive, but the quest for legacy/fortune humanity is just too important and urgent.

It just reeks of Spain and Columbus all over again. Fortunately, space exploration lacks exploitable indigenous peoples.

So, in summary, no Musk doesn't care for humanity. He is a self-serving, legacy-driven opportunist.
 
People are still unironically defending Musk's motives and character. I'm not even peeved any more, it's just sad.
Could maybe be forgiven when it was more subtle (imo it never was) but now he’s not even hiding it anymore it’s embarrassing to not realise he’s a massive cretin.
 
He literally admitted in a podcast inventing the boring company to steal state funding from high speed rail. He knew his tunnel would never work, he just wanted to stop rail so he could keep selling cars in california.

'altrusitic my backside'

 
Musk cares for humanity when he says he wants to make life multiplanetary. There are faster ways to make a buck
He's just idiotic when he says it in absentia of sequence. What the other poster said - this world first. Otherwise, why even bother? The same war games and genocides on one of Jupiter's moons? What's the fecking point.

Humanity has failed on earth - let's bring it to Mars is basically the mantra here. The old Greco-Roman temple of Mars is about the only thing these feckers do actually believe in.
 
Neuralink? Cures people with various handicaps
Is an offshoot of military industrial complex money. The nice side of it is "we can use it cure people with this or that" and the other is "we can have a pilot merge with an interface to bomb places around the world".

All started under Obama (DARPA/Brain project) and the funding for all these neuralink initiatives. Not just Musk's.
 
He's just idiotic when he says it in absentia of sequence. What the other poster said - this world first. Otherwise, why even bother? The same war games and genocides on one of Jupiter's moons? What's the fecking point.

Humanity has failed on earth - let's bring it to Mars is basically the mantra here. The old Greco-Roman temple of Mars is about the only thing these feckers do actually believe in.

In what way has humanity failed? It is flourishing. There has never been more people on Earth.
 
Sometimes I talk to people who claim to pin all their hopes for humanity on Musk while in the same conversation saying they hate Trump. Then continue to excuse every thing the guy did and portray him as close to the Lord's Savior as the hardcore MAGA crowd does with Trump. Note these same people are often of the very pro environment and anti capitalist variety.

I too am guilty of plenty of hypocrisy too I am sure, but I like to think not as blatant as that.
 
There has never been more people on Earth.
And we have never been more likely to face complete species annihilation.

This positivist understanding - genetic positivism - is ontological garbage (cannot soften it). I had a professor spout the same nonsense: the "gene pool" just wants you to reproduce and thus homo sapiens is most the successful creature on the planet. This gives an ego to evolution ffs - literally. Complete rubbish. The idea that the species thrives by nominal means (look at how many). What if a truthful world were the actual benchmark of success for humanity, where ethical principles were upheld across all nations without small "p" politics where people play "roles" they've been conditioned to accept as normal. And we do not live by survival of the fittest but by survival of the most truthful: that is the principle, in actual reason, throughout the ages, which has led to every single gain (in social terms where the protection of the weakest is often the most important part of a society).

The number of a species is no measurement of its success when that same species is the only species driving the world toward ecological collapse. It's a farce to take that view.
 
And we have never been more likely to face complete species annihilation.

This positivist understanding - genetic positivism - is ontological garbage (cannot soften it). I had a professor spout the same nonsense: the "gene pool" just wants you to reproduce and thus homo sapiens is most the successful creature on the planet. This gives an ego to evolution ffs - literally. Complete rubbish. The idea that the species thrives by nominal means (look at how many). What if a truthful world were the actual benchmark of success for humanity, where ethical principles were upheld across all nations without small "p" politics where people play "roles" they've been conditioned to accept as normal.

The number of a species is no measurement of its success when that same species is the only species driving the world toward ecological collapse. It's a farce to take that view.

Species annihilation and ecological collapse have both been theorised by this humanity you are so quick to write off. And they remain just that - theories - until they come true, which they won't