Elon Musk | Doer of things on X and sad little man

Nani Nana said:
Species annihilation and ecological collapse have both been theorised by this humanity you are so quick to write off. And they remain just that - theories - until they come true, which they won't
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They haven't been "theorized" by humanity, humanity is literally causing it (bringing itself to the brink). There's no "theoretical" ambivalence here.

Plenty of species - maybe even billions (in all the years after the death of homo sapiens - I won't even say "humanity") - will thrive, I'm sure, but we, on this tangent, are as fecked as fecked can be.

Nor is it some coup for the race that we can look at the mess we've caused and then pat ourselves on the pack for knowing we've caused it, are causing it, and are violating all the agreed upon solutions which might actually stop it.
 
neverdie said:
They haven't been "theorized" by humanity, humanity is literally causing it (bringing itself to the brink). There's no "theoretical" ambivalence here.

Plenty of species - maybe even billions (in all the years after the death of homo sapiens - I won't even say "humanity") - will thrive, I'm sure, but we, on this tangent, are as fecked as fecked can be.

Nor is it some coup for the race that we can look at the mess we've caused and then pat ourselves on the pack for knowing we've caused it, are causing it, and are violating all the agreed upon solutions which might actually stop it.
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They are man-made theories, Earth's climate has undergone various cycles of warming and cooling, Earth's ecosystems have recovered from mass extinction events before, climate models rely on assumptions.

Life expectancy has never been higher and there has never been more people on Earth, therefore humanity has never been as successful. Is there violence? Yes, as with every other species.
 
Nani Nana said:
They are man-made theories, Earth's climate has undergone various cycles of warming and cooling, Earth's ecosystems have recovered from mass extinction events before, climate models rely on assumptions.

Life expectancy has never been higher and there has never been more people on Earth, therefore humanity has never been as successful. Is there violence? Yes, as with every other species.
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Good grief. Man-made climate change is happening right before our eyes.
 
11101 said:
I mean he is the single most vociferous proponent for electric cars which exist to do just that...
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Luxury electric cars, to be sure. But he's certainly doing a lot more damage than good right now, so if he was truly altruistic (which is an absurd view IMO) he'd go back to "just" being the weird electric cars and space guy. He'd still be the richest man in the world, but maybe wouldn't as much contribute to the decline of Western democracy.
 
And also: while they're far better than the fossil fuel alternatives, electric cars won't save the world. Mass transit might, and Musk has done nothing to help bring about that. In fact he's actively working against it (for example with the Hyperloop nonsense, as has been pointed out).
 
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nimic said:
Luxury electric cars, to be sure. But he's certainly doing a lot more damage than good right now, so if he was truly altruistic (which is an absurd view IMO) he'd go back to "just" being the weird electric cars and space guy. He'd still be the richest man in the world, but maybe wouldn't as much contribute to the decline of Western democracy.
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In sum you are just bitter that he supported Trump this election.
 
Nani Nana said:
They are man-made theories, Earth's climate has undergone various cycles of warming and cooling, Earth's ecosystems have recovered from mass extinction events before, climate models rely on assumptions.

Life expectancy has never been higher and there has never been more people on Earth, therefore humanity has never been as successful. Is there violence? Yes, as with every other species.
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Greenhouse effect. The world has indeed always undergone climate change but not at the rate it is undergoing it now. There is no precedent in any fossil record for what is currently happening and all of it has to do with 200 years or so of billions of people poisoning themselves and the world around them to an eventual species death.

If you call that a man-made theory, which, I suppose it is - in the sense that climate change is also man-made in the acceleration modality we now all face, then what makes you certain that humans are successful at all? That's just a manmade theory.
 
nimic said:
And also: while they're far better than the fossil fuel alternatives, electric cars won't save the world. Mass transit might, and Musk has done nothing to help bring about that. In fact he's actively working against it (for example with the Hyperloop nonsense, as has been pointed out).
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Short of fusion (or a newly constituted fissive alternative) and also irrigation of deserts (the American/Mexican and the Saharan) the entire species is literally fecked.

We need an exponential breaker. Fusion alone won't even do it. Carbon capture qua de-desertifcation (hybrid oases type schemes: What gaddaffi did in Libya but far more ambitious) and also the water problem solution (irrigation of crops in the US/Mexico as well as many wars yet to come over water alone in Africa if no intervention qua desert irrigation projects is implemented).

The African scheme has been touted already. No mention of the American/Mexican as of yet. I don't know why because it's better than a wall in terms of migration controls (a mutual prosperity zone).
 
neverdie said:
Greenhouse effect. The world has indeed always undergone climate change but not at the rate it is undergoing it now. There is no precedent in any fossil record for what is currently happening and all of it has to do with 200 years or so of billions of people poisoning themselves and the world around them to an eventual species death.

If you call that a man-made theory, which, I suppose it is - in the sense that climate change is also man-made in the acceleration modality we now all face, then what makes you certain that humans are successful at all? That's just a manmade theory.
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Reproductive fitness, longevity, minimal competition... yes mine too is a man-made theory but it has solid points on its side
 
Nani Nana said:
Reproductive fitness, longevity, minimal competition... yes mine too is a man-made theory but it has solid points of its side
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Your theory is negated by the fact you won't entertain scientific consensus when it doesn't suit your theory. That consensus being that the acceleration of climate change is unlike anything the fossil records have to demonstrate despite demonstrating that the earth does indeed undergo sometimes drastic climate change over periods of hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions of years. We're talking about a rise in temperature over a 100 year period here. Can you fathom that at all? The ozone layer, the greenhouse effect. The list is fecking endless. Go to a city on the same "plane" as a meadow on a hot day. The city is fecking sweltering and the meadow is hot but not as hot as the city. Now exponentiate all of that and you have a very basic understanding of what the greenhouse effect actually is. It is not "theory" - it literally exists (in greenhouses fffs).
 
neverdie said:
Your theory is negated by the fact you won't entertain scientific consensus when it doesn't suit your theory.
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I am simply looking at humanity today and failing to see how it might be worse off than in 1942 or 1917.

That's without mentioning the Middle Ages with the Black Death, slave trade in the 17th century etc
 
SirAF said:
No point feeding the troll(s)
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I wasn't aware they were a troll, but that's the last I'll need to hear from them. Being a climate change denier is about as bad as being a flat earther these days. There's no excuse except wilful ignorance, and I haven't got the time. The only climate change denier I'll make time for is @Mark Pawelek, he's pure gold. Not this dour nonsense.
 
Nani Nana said:
I am simply looking at humanity today and failing to see how it might be worse off than in 1942 or 1917.

That's without mentioning the Middle Ages with the Black Death, slave trade in the 17th century etc
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It didn't face complete species annihilation. If you went to 1944/5 you'd have come closer to where we actually are because of the atomic and now hydrogen bombs. Doubles down our chance of species death.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
I think sometimes calling someone a troll credits them with a degree of intelligence that might not be the case.
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Wow! Resorting to insults?

Now I understand why Elon advocates free speech on X, it certainly is frowned upon on this forum :nervous:
 
Nani Nana said:
Wow! Resorting to insults?

Now I understand why Elon advocates free speech on X, it certainly is frowned upon on this forum :nervous:
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If you think free speech is allowed on twitter go and post the words "transgender" and "cisgender" in seperate posts. Maybe use some racist terms, some homophobic slurs. You'll then see that the only one you get punished for is the only one not used as an insult, that's "cisgender" btw.
 
Hi fellas, I know it's a little off topic but I would like to recommend to you this series called Succession, it tells the story of a group of winners and really succesful people, who make a lot of endeavors that show how much they care for humanity.
 
Krakenzero said:
Hi fellas, I know it's a little off topic but I would like to recommend to you this series called Succession, it tells the story of a group of winners and really succesful people, who make a lot of endeavors that show how much they care for humanity.
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"The Lords of Creation" is the story of the Robber Barons becoming more powerful than any government, by formerly famous history author Frederick Lewis Allen.

It was out of print for like 80 years as the publisher refused to print it, ostensibly due to who it embarrassed. Copies used to go for hundreds of dollars. It was published again as part of a "Forbidden Bookshelf" series of suppressed works.

If you wanna read about more successful people being awesome humans.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/22699774-the-lords-of-creation

"In the decades following the Civil War, America entered an era of unprecedented corporate expansion, with ultimate financial power in the hands of a few wealthy industrialists who exploited the system for everything it was worth. The Rockefellers, Fords, Morgans, and Vanderbilts were the "lords of creation" who, along with like-minded magnates, controlled the economic destiny of the country, unrestrained by regulations or moral imperatives. Through a combination of foresight, ingenuity, ruthlessness, and greed, America's giants of industry remolded the US economy in their own image. They established their power and authority, ensuring that they--and they alone--would control the means of production, transportation, energy, and commerce--creating the conditions for the stock market collapse of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed."
 
nimic said:
Luxury electric cars, to be sure. But he's certainly doing a lot more damage than good right now, so if he was truly altruistic (which is an absurd view IMO) he'd go back to "just" being the weird electric cars and space guy. He'd still be the richest man in the world, but maybe wouldn't as much contribute to the decline of Western democracy.
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Not luxury actually, as with any technology initially it's the preserve of the wealthy before it filters down. That's happened as the Model S became the Model X became the Model 3. Next is an even cheaper model which may or may not be autonomous.

Mass transit is not viable outside cities and it never will be. The subsidies required to run it are just too great. Efficient personal transport is the goal.
 
11101 said:
Mass transit is not viable outside cities and it never will be. The subsidies required to run it are just too great. Efficient personal transport is the goal.
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Nah, this is just wrong. Trains and buses are absolutely viable. Go to Japan and tell them how mass transit is not viable outside of cities.

In any case, most industrialized countries are heavily urbanized. The goal is not for no-one to have a car.
 
11101 said:
Mass transit is not viable outside cities and it never will be. The subsidies required to run it are just too great. Efficient personal transport is the goal.
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It's always strange when someone puts forth an opinion that is directly contradicted by observable reality.
 
11101 said:
Not luxury actually, as with any technology initially it's the preserve of the wealthy before it filters down. That's happened as the Model S became the Model X became the Model 3. Next is an even cheaper model which may or may not be autonomous.

Mass transit is not viable outside cities and it never will be. The subsidies required to run it are just too great. Efficient personal transport is the goal.
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What on earth? It works in a huge number of European and Asian countries. Millions and millions of people take the train daily to commute.
 
Nani Nana said:
They are man-made theories, Earth's climate has undergone various cycles of warming and cooling, Earth's ecosystems have recovered from mass extinction events before, climate models rely on assumptions.

Life expectancy has never been higher and there has never been more people on Earth, therefore humanity has never been as successful. Is there violence? Yes, as with every other species.
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Humans very very nearly went extinct before we escaped out of Africa. It would be hard to wipe all of us out now but not very hard at all to hugely reduce our numbers. Just imagine a 5 degree average temperature increase or if covid had a 20% fatality rate (x multiple infections per person). Imagine what would happen to Europe if the gulf stream stops flowing?

To dismiss such concerns, or the fact that current very rapid climate change is for all intents and purposes man made is quite simply delusional.
 
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11101 said:
Mass transit is not viable outside cities and it never will be. The subsidies required to run it are just too great. Efficient personal transport is the goal.
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Did you legitimately delude yourelf into thinking that personal transport is an unsubsidized industry?
 
Wibble said:
Humans very very nearly went extinct before we escaped out of Africa. It would be hard to wipe all of us out now but not very hard at all to hugely reduce our numbers. Just imagine a 5 degree average temperature increase or if covid had a 20% fatality rate. Imagine what would happen to Europe if the gulf stream stops flowing?

To dismiss such concerns, or the fact that current very rapid climate change is for all intents and purposes man made is quite simply delusional.
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All I see here is a bunch of facts.
 
Elon Musk to ‘summon MPs to US to explain threats to American citizens’

World’s richest man responds to UK parliamentarians saying they will call him to testify about X’s role in spreading disinformation during riots


Elon Musk has said UK MPs “will be summoned to the United States of America to explain their censorship and threats to American citizens” in a fresh escalation of tensions between the world’s richest man and Labour.

Musk, who has been a fixture at the side of Donald Trump since his re-election as US president, was responding to a Guardian report on Wednesday that the Commons’ science and technology select committee would call him to give evidence in the new year in its inquiry into the spread of harmful content on social media after the August riots.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...explain-threats-to-american-citizens-uk-riots

What a lovely man.
 
nimic said:
Being a climate change denier is about as bad as being a flat earther these days.
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To be fair flat earthers are a very small minority that cause no harm and are generally just something to make fun of. Climate change denial is a huge problem for humanity and a major cause of us being too slow to react. All fed by the same far right propaganda machine that got trump elected again of course.
 
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