That my peeps says it all!
Edward Woodward
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Ha ha, it really does.
The penny-pinching this summer has been ridiculous and it serves Woodward's right that we ended up grossly overpaying for an average mid-table midfielder.
Has he been sacked yet?
It's not the lack of Marquee signings Goose and you know it. Its the bumbling about, lowball bids for top class players, raising expectations of fans and then completely failing to come close to meeting them, not understanding the market he is working in costing us deals and being late with paperwork costing us deals.
For example, Im not overly upset that we didn't sign Coentrau, but I am annoyed that the reason that we. didn't sign him is because the paperwork wasn't done on time. I am annoyed that we overpaid for Fellaini when we could have got him for less at the start of the window and had him bedded into the squad before 2 massive games. its in incompetence. Im not sure how you can even defend it. Back the manager through tough times fine. Back the players. Fine. Defending this shambles of a window? Come on! Quit your top red audition.
Its 8. He should be sacked by now.
Not really. He's dragged the club through the mud and managed to show a complete lack of knowledge regarding the transfer market. If he was any way decent, he'd resign from his current post with immediate effect.
Elmer Fudd.
Glad we didn't pay silly money for herrera. He's in the promising category, not the 36m euros plus taxes superstar category.
Embarrassed by the fee and timing for Fellaini. Arguably worth sacking for that alone. Cost the club 4m quid and the player could have made a difference in our last two games if signed earlier.
Embarrassed by the fee and timing for Fellaini. Arguably worth sacking for that alone. Cost the club 4m quid and the player could have made a difference in our last two games if signed earlier.
I might just go into work today and take a massive shit on my manager's desk. Would still be better at my job than Woodward.
This isn't fact is it...All the talk I've seen says, we put through the paperwork in time, but Real didnt ratify the loan because their Coentrao replacement went elsewhere - so they pulled the plug on the deal, leaving us looking like chumps.
Sorry, my bad. In that case Woodward did an excellent job. It's not as if leaving it until the very last minute had any bearing at all...
Paying an extra £4 million for Fellaini is not a major issue, it was Woodward that said that Moyes can spend as much as he wants. Earlier in the summer, we were chasing Fabregas because according to reports he wanted to leave Barca and join us. All changed when Vilanova had to quit due to his cancer returning. Once Barca got a new manager it looks like Fabregas was given a clean slate or was promised further opportunities. We all wish Vilonova the very best and hope he makes a full recovery, but I suspect if he had not got ill we could have got our man. These things happen and are outside of our control.
There are much more worrying things going on in the club. Mourinho was hanging around try to get the top job. One of the reasons he did not get this was due to his behaviour. Remember when he poked Vilonova in the eye after a match? Sir Bobby Charlton said "A United manager wouldn't do that". When Moyes took over, he was interviewed and here is an except from the interview
In essence, there is a way of behavior expected at Manchester United. The way we conducted ourselves over the transfer of Herrera is a disgrace. We agreed to meet the clubs valuation and then sent 3 goons to make a payment. Why we sent people there to make a payment is beyond me. There are electronic payment systems in banks that send money around the world in seconds. Apparently the reason we did not complete the deal was due to a unique local tax arrangement in the Basque region of Spain. As an accountant who previously worked in a Big Four firm, Woodward should know that there are specialist advisers whose job is to help large companies avoid such taxes. Why was all this stuff not worked out on our side when we put in our first bid? Incompetence and arrogance. Herrera wanted to join us, he was going to take a paycut to join us, and we messed him about. This is not the United way, this is not behavior becoming of United.
Woodward must go. All we can hope for is that SAF and Sir Bobby are busy behind the scenes today and asking for some explanations.
There are much more worrying things going on in the club. Mourinho was hanging around try to get the top job. One of the reasons he did not get this was due to his behaviour. Remember when he poked Vilonova in the eye after a match? Sir Bobby Charlton said "A United manager wouldn't do that". When Moyes took over, he was interviewed and here is an except from the interview
In essence, there is a way of behavior expected at Manchester United. The way we conducted ourselves over the transfer of Herrera is a disgrace. We agreed to meet the clubs valuation and then sent 3 goons to make a payment. Why we sent people there to make a payment is beyond me. There are electronic payment systems in banks that send money around the world in seconds. Apparently the reason we did not complete the deal was due to a unique local tax arrangement in the Basque region of Spain. As an accountant who previously worked in a Big Four firm, Woodward should know that there are specialist advisers whose job is to help large companies avoid such taxes. Why was all this stuff not worked out on our side when we put in our first bid? Incompetence and arrogance. Herrera wanted to join us, he was going to take a paycut to join us, and we messed him about. This is not the United way, this is not behavior becoming of United.
Woodward must go. All we can hope for is that SAF and Sir Bobby are busy behind the scenes today and asking for some explanations.
Woodward should go back to signing noodle partners. He's been beyond a joke in this window.
Yeah because that's what I said...Sorry, my bad. In that case Woodward did an excellent job. It's not as if leaving it until the very last minute had any bearing at all...
Bang on.
I dont know why some people insist on making excuses for this man, there is no excuse.
Really deserves to be sacked for his huge mistakes.
We may be champions, but our squad is lacking when you glance over at our major rivals. Another transfer window like this will see us fall very, very far behind City and Chelsea with the rate they're signing up talented players.
If the issue all along was the lack of money, we'll need to bloody find some for next summer, because City, Chelsea and even Spurs and Arsenal aren't fecking around. They're desperate for success, and will continue to slurge monsterious amounts to bring in the greatest players. I hope to God we don't sit twiddling our thumbs again.
We may be champions, but our squad is lacking when you glance over at our major rivals. Another transfer window like this will see us fall very, very far behind City and Chelsea with the rate they're signing up talented players.
If the issue all along was the lack of money, we'll need to bloody find some for next summer, because City, Chelsea and even Spurs and Arsenal aren't fecking around. They're desperate for success, and will continue to slurge monsterious amounts to bring in the greatest players. I hope to God we don't sit twiddling our thumbs again.
The Glazers also have some questions to answer. If Woodward is not walking the plank by the end of this week, then our anger should be focused on them. We cannot have this clown negotiating contract renewals with players.
You can shout for him being sacked till you are blue in the face . He is a close ally of the Glazers and as bought in revenue through the sponsorship deals ,something i feel was the priority this summer.
Commercial deals are the priority over strengthening the football team. I think you are right there. But its OK, they are adding "FC" back onto the badge, hooray.
He should be fecked off out the club.
You know it's very bad when basically everyone, including the usually very positive posters on the site thinks this window was just awful by the club and he does seem at the heart of it. I'm convinced he was far more interested in just keeping players rather than actually buying them, and improving the overall finances here instead of improving our squad.
Disgraceful really, hire a director of football and keep this twat away.
Disgraceful really, hire a director of football and keep this twat away.
Sack this cnut and sign a proper Director of Football who will surely have more connections across Europe, which might us help us with transfers than this pile of shit. And hopefully if we do sign one, we sign somebody who is not English (no offense).
I think part of the reason we failed to sign players earlier is we simply didn't have as much money as Woodward stated we did. He said there was "no budget" and we're willing to spend if the player is right, but that clearly wasn't true. If you want top players you've got to be willing to pay. We were never going to get Fabregas for 35mil, but that really seemed like our limit with him which is strange because he stated that there was no budget. Well if there was no budget why not test Barcelona's resolve with more money? I wouldn't be surprised if we left it late for Fellaini to try and get him for less than his buy-out clause. In a way I'm not surprised we only ended up with Fellaini because we've never been a club that has spent big. And to sign the players we were linked with Fab, Bale, Ozil et al we clearly would have to do that. If Gill and Fergie were still here I doubt the ins and outs for the summer would look much differently, albeit done in a far less shambolic fashion. I question whether Gill would've paid 36mil for Herrera.
Say what you like about Elmer, at least he pursued Bugs Bunny with some single minded determination. At least he kept trying to get his man. If Woodward had been Bugs Bunny's nemesis each cartoon wouldve only been around 15 seconds long, as he tried to entice him with half a carrot and then gave up and went home.
I know if Gill was here. All our transfer business would have atleast been sorted before deadline day.
Next year will be worse with the world cup, so we can't have this clown Woodward heading the negotiations.
Paid $4M ovet Fellaini's release clause yet can't offer another $4M to meet Herrera's clause. Words cant describe how i feel about this man.
Seriously, how can we get rid of this fecking 50 year old Doogie Howser looking idiot?
that's how i feel. but after this fiaso the Glazers will want to stabilize to boat until at least January. Let's face it- he can do more harm until antother window opens. So i expect him to stay here at least until end of December.
The point about Herrera is not that we didn't pay the extra, it's that we shouldn't have been flirting with the signing at all so late in the day and for so much money. $36m + taxes: feck off; glad we didn't pay it.
There are two types of signing that are acceptable for United in my eyes:
1. The established star - should have a nailed-on impact and be a first teamer without question £25m+
2. The promising player - should be <24 and have the potential to be a star but not there yet <£25m
Herrera is in category 2, but the fee was in 1. That's all wrong.
The club have made many big mistakes this window...
- Set expectations low to stop fans frothing at the mouth? Moyes fecked this up talking about no budget (has always been true in the sense that SAF would just ask for what he wanted; does not in practice mean limitless funds), and how United are always interested in the best players.
- Keep transfer business as low profile as possible? Messed up by announcing Fabregas bid which I think was a panic move after the Thiago bid fell through
- Negotiate well? No! Messed up on Fellaini; no way were Everton going to take less than his release clause, which in the current market was not bad at all for a player of his value. Maybe could have got Thiago as well if we had bid sufficiently above the clause and got the player in quickly. If we wanted a left back, we should have just taken the Baines rebuttal and sorted Coentrao out much earlier.
- Do business early? Ha!
- Try to remove some dead wood to give the young players a chance to come through? No, though will excuse the club on this one as we have a new manager and it's fair to try to keep the squad together in the first window.
Terrible. A genuine shambles.
However, the net result is not that bad IMO. I was not looking for a big influx, and the player we got is in the position we need. The question now is whether Fellaini is going to be good enough (for category 1). I'm not thrilled personally but there are some positives; for a start he got 9 league goals last season.
There are two types of signing that are acceptable for United in my eyes:
1. The established star - should have a nailed-on impact and be a first teamer without question £25m+
2. The promising player - should be <24 and have the potential to be a star but not there yet <£25m
Herrera is in category 2, but the fee was in 1. That's all wrong.
The club have made many big mistakes this window...
- Set expectations low to stop fans frothing at the mouth? Moyes fecked this up talking about no budget (has always been true in the sense that SAF would just ask for what he wanted; does not in practice mean limitless funds), and how United are always interested in the best players.
- Keep transfer business as low profile as possible? Messed up by announcing Fabregas bid which I think was a panic move after the Thiago bid fell through
- Negotiate well? No! Messed up on Fellaini; no way were Everton going to take less than his release clause, which in the current market was not bad at all for a player of his value. Maybe could have got Thiago as well if we had bid sufficiently above the clause and got the player in quickly. If we wanted a left back, we should have just taken the Baines rebuttal and sorted Coentrao out much earlier.
- Do business early? Ha!
- Try to remove some dead wood to give the young players a chance to come through? No, though will excuse the club on this one as we have a new manager and it's fair to try to keep the squad together in the first window.
Terrible. A genuine shambles.
However, the net result is not that bad IMO. I was not looking for a big influx, and the player we got is in the position we need. The question now is whether Fellaini is going to be good enough (for category 1). I'm not thrilled personally but there are some positives; for a start he got 9 league goals last season.
Ed, from bottom of my heart, big thanks for all the sponsorship deals you generated for this club but you really need to understand that you are a big man of business but not exactly a man for pure FOOTBALL business.
I'm sure this won't escape attention of one of our board directors, Sir Alex Ferguson who's very experienced in dealing with any kind of problem. I hope, he'll take actions or at least try to give some advice and remind Mr Woodward that he works for Manchester United.
Decision must be taken, even if it's gonna be hard one. From this point, it's hard for me to defend this man even on the simple moral ground as he put Ander Herrera, a talented, young player in quite difficult and most unfortunate situation that he clearly didn't deserved to be in the first place.
I'm sure this won't escape attention of one of our board directors, Sir Alex Ferguson who's very experienced in dealing with any kind of problem. I hope, he'll take actions or at least try to give some advice and remind Mr Woodward that he works for Manchester United.
Decision must be taken, even if it's gonna be hard one. From this point, it's hard for me to defend this man even on the simple moral ground as he put Ander Herrera, a talented, young player in quite difficult and most unfortunate situation that he clearly didn't deserved to be in the first place.
Absolutely, he'll go onto signing more sponsors and everything will be rosy at board level only to become a complete moron during the next transfer window again. By the sounds of it no class (telling the entire world who we bid for), no honour (pulling out of the Herrera deal) and worst of all - NO feckING CLUE (bidding for every player and their dog). Not the fecking United way.
The Glazers will be much happier about the record breaking revenues than upset about the Fellaini release clause SNAFU. Im sure theyre delighted with Woodward, the commercial deals and the money keep rolling in, he is keeping a tight lid on expenditure and its all more money in the bank for them. Moyes will carry the can if we suffer on the football pitch.
No offense sincher but those figures are completely under par in the current transfer climate. More like > £40m and <£40m.
On balance I am not so sure. Has brought the club a lot of revenue and clearly can manage the commercial side of the business well.
He should look to bring in a DoF to do transfer business - and do not be surprised if he does.
Only for attacking players.
Paying £35m for an uncapped central midfielder still does not make sense, in the current market. I think £30m for Herrera was pushing it to the limit - and when you add tax? Better off keeping the money and waiting till other clubs need money, or players are agitating for moves, again.
City have been close to it for Fernandinho - not sure they have got good value there.
I do think United underestimated the price inflation of the market though.
Yeah, agreed. Just spewing some venom to vent buddy.
We should put that brocklebank bloke in charge. He looks a right Shark. meanwhile we are left with finding nemo.
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