Fellaini says hi.
Edward Woodward
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Fellaini says hi.
I dont want a DoF, it emasculates the manager.
If it was up to me I would leave the manager in charge of identifying targets, install a CEO who understood football and move Woodward into some kind of commercial director role to which he is evidently suited. Though that isnt going to happen.
If it was up to me I would leave the manager in charge of identifying targets, install a CEO who understood football and move Woodward into some kind of commercial director role to which he is evidently suited. Though that isnt going to happen.
All that shit dies off if we dont invest on the field though. Its counter productive for the Glazers not to have the product strong as possible. I am beginning to wonder if the hierarchy support the appointment of Moyes as much as Ferguson does. I bet down the road, if we fail to perofrm, we will hear rumblings that not everyone agreed with the idea to allow SAF to name his successor.
Exactly. Anybody notice a change in Moyes over the last few weeks in relation to when he spoke about transfers? I thought he was getting less bullish/confident?
Im not sure i agreed with it to be honest, not because it was Moyes but because SAF was leaving and it seemed to me the person who should appoint the manager should be the person who would be the manager's boss. But I dont really want to get into that because I have had this conversation before and it is done now.
Of course I agree the most important thing is the football, but I dont think they will be too worried until they see evidence that we are falling behind. So the latter stages of this season will be when the alarm bells start ringing - or not, as the case may be. Until then theyll be happy with the commercial deals and the record breaking revenues.
I'd say he's a category 1 player, or at least we hope so. He's an established player in the premier league.
So, not sure what point you're making?
We signed Zaha - a category 2 player - for around £15m. That's what I mean.
I think Herrera was a bit betwixt and between, and not worth the big money. Remains to be seen if Fellaini will be.
An established star? Really?
Think we'll have to just agree to disagree on that one.
Herrera is a better player than Fellaini and worth 3m more.
How is Fellaini an established star? Jeez. He did well at an upper mid-table club, mostly playing in a position where we don't need him but that's another story.
Fellaini isn't an established star, he's an expensive gamble we made in the hope that he can produce a massive improvement to step up to United's level.
I still don't understand why we gave a bloke, who is seemingly very good at striking commercial deals, more job responsibilities - in fields which he has no experience. It's like a chef in a restaurant suddenly being told he now has to kill all his own meat... or something.
I guess the difference with Fellaini as opposed to Herrera is Fellaini is Premiership proven. You know what you are going to get with Fellaini. Less downside risk, less upside potential. In caf parlance that would be something to do with top and bottom levels but I cant be arsed to translate it.
I'd also note that only a handful of transfers have been for >40m this summer: Ozil, Falcao, Cavani, Bale. We have never really played at this game - the very biggest fees in world football. The only one that was close was Veron, which didn't go too well.
The likes of Jovetic, Lamela, Navas, Fernandinho, Paulinho have all gone for considerably less.
It is not the case that you have to pay 40m+ for an established first team player. You have to pay it for the biggest stars in attacking positions - but that's not what we were after in the first place!
The likes of Jovetic, Lamela, Navas, Fernandinho, Paulinho have all gone for considerably less.
It is not the case that you have to pay 40m+ for an established first team player. You have to pay it for the biggest stars in attacking positions - but that's not what we were after in the first place!
Nice analogy. Give a chef a crossbow = make Woodward CEO.
David Gill was also an accountant and, like Woodward, been part of the football club for several years before he got the top job. He had the advantage however of having Fergie already there for 15 years. Two rookies at the top jobs at the same time was an unmitigated disaster / omnishambles / clusterfeck. I would love Fergie to come out and rinse Woodward in public... won't happen of course, but would be fully deserved.
That would be beyond stupid.
Not saying I wouldn't love it mind.
Fergie for CEO anyone?
Still going on about Fellaini. How about you give the lad a fcking chance and stop whining.
I think the only person that can come out and bash Woodward is Moyes, anyone else and it would undermine the current manager - especially if it were SAF to come out with it.
But questions have to be brought up about how inept Woodward has looked in this transfer window. It seems like we had a whole summer of players saying no to us only for us to scrabble at the last minute to get someone in. I also feel Moyes has to shoulder some of this blame surely he should have pushed to get these deals done earlier but it seems like he was still in the mind set of "I did it when I was at Everton". Still I don't think theres ever been a CEO who has been this hated amongst the United fans after a few months at the top.
this. I don't blame Moyes one bit. IMO he is a great manager (not sure if he is a great coach yet). I blame Woody for this summer.
Woody taking the blame is about the most useful thing he can do right now.
I hope fans dont turn against Moyes
I hope fans dont turn against Moyes
I quite sure that Woodward didn't have the legal authority to sign a deal worth £27m (+ wages) without the chairman of the boards (read the owners) permission.
The sad part is that Moyes is as responsible for this fiasco as the clubs CEO, not a chance in hell that Woodward should have paid Everton £5m extra without confirmation from Moyes.
If we in the last hours backed off the Herrera deal its also something Moyes has to take responsibility for. Why didn't we tried to close the deal earlier?? If we made a bid in the first place we must have realize that we probably in the end have to pay the buyout clause. So where is the logic to make a initial bid off we where not ready to walk all the way? This part is indirect Moyes fault because his office is the expert on the players value.
Both Wooward and Moyes has shown the world that they wasn't ready for such a big challenge, buying the right players is part of the manager and the CEO's job. Fellaini is a good player but his arrival is not the problem.
The sad part is that Moyes is as responsible for this fiasco as the clubs CEO, not a chance in hell that Woodward should have paid Everton £5m extra without confirmation from Moyes.
If we in the last hours backed off the Herrera deal its also something Moyes has to take responsibility for. Why didn't we tried to close the deal earlier?? If we made a bid in the first place we must have realize that we probably in the end have to pay the buyout clause. So where is the logic to make a initial bid off we where not ready to walk all the way? This part is indirect Moyes fault because his office is the expert on the players value.
Both Wooward and Moyes has shown the world that they wasn't ready for such a big challenge, buying the right players is part of the manager and the CEO's job. Fellaini is a good player but his arrival is not the problem.
I would not like to be Woodward when he turns up to the next home game. Doesn't quite realize that closing transfers isn't quite the same as commercial deals does he?
I just knew!Spot on, doubt he will though
Lets put this into perspective. Madrid paid xxx for Bale. Everyone was laughing. Woodwood, has made people talk about us and not Madrid. That's how big a feck up he has made of this summer. Thinking about it I don't want him out of the club. I want him demoted and lets bring someone in, who knows the game. He is not suitable for the position
I disagree. A CEO has the authority to make financial decisions, if our one doesnt then he is a fecking chump for taking the job.
And there is no way Moyes and Woodward share the blame in this equally, any more than they share the blame for losing to Liverpool equally. Football is for the manager, business is for the CEO.
TBH thats complete horseshit the bloke has been around the club for the last 6/7 years and a board member for a year so he should be well aware how to conduct transfers.
For all we know Moyes could have told Ed that he doesn't feel Herrera is worth x amount, I am not saying it was Moyes fault but you need to consider all of the possibilities. I doubt we will ever find out what actually happened in Spain but Ed will have to take the blame for it as he seems to be face of the club.
He might have done but that is speculation, all we know for sure is that Woodward takes responsibility for the business side of things so the buck stops with him, even if it is a matter of whose advice he does or doesnt listen to. For all we know Giggs advises Moyes about player selections, that doesnt mean it is Giggs' fault if we lose, picking the team is Moyes' responsibility and the buck stops with him, if Giggs doesnt give him good advice he needs to stop listening to it.
Well lets agree to disagree. I remember that Gill said that the owner have to confirm any big signing, it's normal that a CEO have a limit if his authority regarding spending money.
Both works together with buying players, any other way would be strange. Off course Moyes knows what's going on and are part of the decision making. If they don't work together then I would be scared.
I think the point is this - irrespective of what someone thinks... If you're after a player you want to sign, there has to be a cut off point. There has to be a time where you say, ok we'll offer what they want else it is a complete waste of time. If you're going to haggle, you either have to have alternatives or be willing at some point to pay the demand. If you're not - then it's a complete failure of process. It's like throwing your hands up in the air and saying...'well we tried' ..when in actuality you didn't. If we had, and IF we wanted him, we would have reached a point where we'd just do it. Who's to blame for that?
Ed Woodward @Ed__Woodward 11h
Loaning Bebe out is like a new signing.
Ed Woodward @Ed__Woodward 12h
Run out of credit on my phone so looks like I'll have to conclude the Coentrao deal tomorrow. Bloody international call rates
Loaning Bebe out is like a new signing.
Ed Woodward
Run out of credit on my phone so looks like I'll have to conclude the Coentrao deal tomorrow. Bloody international call rates
They already are on some sites.
Jesus, I can't look at this face without wanting to punch it. Damn you, MANCHILD!
Jesus, I can't look at this face without wanting to punch it. Damn you, MANCHILD!
Yeah most annoying slaphead ever, specially after this summer, I actually hate him.
I agree that none of this window has felt one bit like the club we have all known for the last 25 years.
SAF needs to earn his corn as a director right now.
Jesus, I can't look at this face without wanting to punch it. Damn you, MANCHILD!
I wouldn't sell nothing to him.
I wouldn't sell him a chin.
So would you say all the other top clubs have signed established players? I would only say Willian and Ozil are established "stars" out of all those teams if that's the case.
MUFC latest have written Woodward an open letter (link).
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