Eduardo Camavinga / signs for Real Madrid

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Van Piorsing said:
That's quite optimistic description of Camavinga you wrote. Signing him would be definitely brave attempt in refreshing our midfield. Do you reckon he would step up immediately to Premier League's physicality & tempo ? ...because the chances are he could look bit raw at the beginning, same goes to Hannibal.

I actually like possibility of that deal with one year on his contract and plenty of time, unlike Tchouaméni who still got 3 more years. Camavinga being still a teenager gives Ole plenty of time to make him a PL type player, same goes to Hannibal, no matter how many matches he did play or not.
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I terms of the type of player he is, of course the change in tempo is big....but he is all about energy, I think he will thrive on it and it is the perfect league for him and phsycially I think he will be fine, he is a big guy, just lookgs gangly as he is tall.

Its more a case for me of whether he can step up to th epressure and expectations in a bigger league at a bigger club but he seems to have a great attitude.

I don thtink comparing his progress with Hannibal is right though. Camavinga has three caps, Hannibal as talented as he appears would be nowhere near the French side at the moment if he hadnt have changed to Tunisia, simply as he hasnt played.

Of course any player that age there may be inconsistency....my main concern really is I want us to sign two central midfielders, not doing so increases expectations and personally (know monay others disagree) Pogba isnt right there and may Ole still trust McFred at first or are eithe rof them the ideal starting partner to pretty much anyone we sign?

Said this a fair few times though, forget the age, forget he may have had an inconsistent season (he admits himself)....this is a huge talent in the making and a tremendous signing if we manage it. In the short term he plays and improves us for me, in the mid and long term he is a key player for us.
 
Escobar said:
In most games, he's mediocre at best. Tell me a period of time when he's been great for more than 4 games
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Fred was good pretty much all 19/20 and the first few months of 20/21. He was quite inconsistent since January though which seems to have led to a narrative that he's always been like that, which really wasn't the case for the previous 18 months.
 
Strelok said:
Imo if we really want him we'll get him. He'll go to a big club this summer.

PSG is packed with midfielders and they actually don't need his type, plus they won't be able to guarantee his necessary game time.

Barca, Real are financially fecked.

Bayern already have Goretzka, Kimmich. I'm a bit worried about Dortmund but we are more attractive than them I think.

Of the PL teams Chelsea already have Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho. City have like 100 midfielders. Liverpool also have plenty.

While us, we're in dire need for a solid all rounded action midfielder to improve our midfield. So far only us is linked to him. He'll get plenty game time here once he could prove he's better than our McT which imo he's already.

Around £40m and about £80-100k a week and the lad is ours imo. He's only 18 yo but in term of maturity and experience he's well worth the money imo.
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When has tha stopped PSG signing another one? I do think they are the main threat

Not concerned about Dortmund, havent even seen them linked and are they going to spend £40-50m on another defensive midfielder after shellin gout on Bellingham when they already have Witsel as well as a couple of good squad options in the same area too.

18months ago I didnt give us much hope of signing him when I first started hoping for him, tought there would be a huge scramble for him. I really cant see any other major threat unless there is an 12hr approach other than PSG
 
MadDogg said:
Fred was good pretty much all 19/20 and the first few months of 20/21. He was quite inconsistent since January though which seems to have led to a narrative that he's always been like that, which really wasn't the case for the previous 18 months.
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I think the thing with Fred was he was ao utterly diabolical in his first season here, that people have got a bit carried away with the big improvements he made. He has been excellent in some European matches and big games, but overall I think he improved from diabolical to decent, still for me a long way below what we should expect from a starting central midfielder and of coruse a million miles away from the vast majority of central midfielders we had in Fergusons time.

I want to like Fred but some of his passing is diabilical and its always been pretty poor even in the good periods you mention. Both he and McTominay are really good squad players to me, so dont want either sold, but they shouldnt be starting so often and certainly shouldnt be starting together so often if we are serious about progressing to genuine trophy winners again
 
jesperjaap said:
When has tha stopped PSG signing another one? I do think they are the main threat

Not concerned about Dortmund, havent even seen them linked and are they going to spend £40-50m on another defensive midfielder after shellin gout on Bellingham when they already have Witsel as well as a couple of good squad options in the same area too.

18months ago I didnt give us much hope of signing him when I first started hoping for him, tought there would be a huge scramble for him. I really cant see any other major threat unless there is an 12hr approach other than PSG
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PSG are packed in the midfield. And they have Verratti who is quite the same type as Camavinga but much better of course. What they really lack is the creativity, the final killer pass from the midfield not a solid all rounded action midfielder. So I don't think Camavinga would fancy going there, he won't get much game time there unless Verratti is out for a long time.

Dortmund is another story. Bellingham is not the same type as Camavinga, he's more of an attacking midfielder. Witsel is but he's already 32 yo. And they're known to give wonderkids plenty game time and develop them to world class talent. Camavinga would get plenty game time there. But as said we should be more attractive than them. Especially when we have to play McT week in week out (no offense to the lad though I love him). However the Bundes is easier and more suitable for young players to develop than the PL.

Camavinga would definitely move to a big club this summer. But imo the most important factor in choosing his new club is the game time he would get there. At this stage of his career he absolutely needs to play not to waste his best years to develop on some bench, regardless of how fancy that bench may look.
 
mav_9me said:
Of what I have seen, Camavinga. However I am not a huge fan of Bellingham so far.
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I honestly don't know anyone could be any more impressed with what we've seen from Bellingham so far.

His performance against City in the CL was up there with Rooney in terms of a teenager making you take a breath and wonder how the feck he can be so good, so young.
 
diarm said:
I honestly don't know anyone could be any more impressed with what we've seen from Bellingham so far.

His performance against City in the CL was up there with Rooney in terms of a teenager making you take a breath and wonder how the feck he can be so good, so young.
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My brother didn't think he was anything special when he saw Jude vs Man city. It's only during the Euros that he found out that Jude was 17 at the time of the man city ucl game and he got really impressed because before that he thought Jude was around 22 years.
 
Strelok said:
PSG are packed in the midfield. And they have Verratti who is quite the same type as Camavinga but much better of course. What they really lack is the creativity, the final killer pass from the midfield not a solid all rounded action midfielder. So I don't think Camavinga would fancy going there, he won't get much game time there unless Verratti is out for a long time.

Dortmund is another story. Bellingham is not the same type as Camavinga, he's more of an attacking midfielder. Witsel is but he's already 32 yo. And they're known to give wonderkids plenty game time and develop them to world class talent. Camavinga would get plenty game time there. But as said we should be more attractive than them. Especially when we have to play McT week in week out (no offense to the lad though I love him). However the Bundes is easier and more suitable for young players to develop than the PL.

Camavinga would definitely move to a big club this summer. But imo the most important factor in choosing his new club is the game time he would get there. At this stage of his career he absolutely needs to play not to waste his best years to develop on some bench, regardless of how fancy that bench may look.
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I think the most important factor for him choosing his club is actually choosing from those that are in for him. I havent even seen him linked with Dortmund in over a year. We dont even know who those clubs are, may not even be us or PSG either.

And your measured approach may not be his mindset fot where he wishes to move at all, we just dont know....but he may just be wanting trophies, lifestyle, money and a club that helps him get in the French squad. We havent won any major trophies for a few years PSG usually win the league and get to the latter stages of the champions league.....we havent, they would probably throw the biggest wages out, he stays at home within his own culture in Paris which may or may not help him get in the French squad more and yes they may be stacked in midfield, but Herrera and Gueye have played a lot of games last season....what is to stop him getting in ahead of them, both defensive midfielders also
 
flappyjay said:
My brother didn't think he was anything special when he saw Jude vs Man city. It's only during the Euros that he found out that Jude was 17 at the time of the man city ucl game and he got really impressed because before that he thought Jude was around 22 years.
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This is what amazes me with these types of players. like your brother who didnt even realise. We are talking about 17/18 year old players who 99% of the time are not even close to first team apperances in the top league....just look at some from our club over many years and we are a side that promotes youth.

The fact they are even on the radar is telling. For me it isnt just how hard it is to play fo r abig club as a youngster as we have a few talented, it is that these youngsters are really a level above.

Often talk on these forums of wishing we could sign hot youngsters and up and coming stars breakking through. The last few seasons we have signed a couple of really talented youth players that really are talented YOUTH players in terms of performance experience.

Yet here we are heavily linked with one of the most talented yougnsters in Europe already with two seasons of experience and capped by his country and its "he isnt ready and is too young". Not to overhype the player but if he was at a premiership side we woul dbe raving about him and the potential like many hva the end of last season with Fofana for example.

If Camavinga was British this for me would be a total no brainer signing for most. One of those youngsters we used to sign for high fees that you just know will do well as they are special, like a Rooney, Ferdinand, Keane. We missed out on Bellingham, this is just a big a signing and we should be all over it.

Of course there are no guarantees as over the last 12-15 years the only central midfield signings I have been as enthused about would be Pogba, Anderson and Hargreaves and though all three of them have had brilliant spells, none of them consistently lived up to the billing for us
 
jesperjaap said:
I think the most important factor for him choosing his club is actually choosing from those that are in for him. I havent even seen him linked with Dortmund in over a year. We dont even know who those clubs are, may not even be us or PSG either.

And your measured approach may not be his mindset fot where he wishes to move at all, we just dont know....but he may just be wanting trophies, lifestyle, money and a club that helps him get in the French squad. We havent won any major trophies for a few years PSG usually win the league and get to the latter stages of the champions league.....we havent, they would probably throw the biggest wages out, he stays at home within his own culture in Paris which may or may not help him get in the French squad more and yes they may be stacked in midfield, but Herrera and Gueye have played a lot of games last season....what is to stop him getting in ahead of them, both defensive midfielders also
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Of course, I was talking about the hypothetical potential destinations for him. It's only 3rd July there's like two months left for him to find a new club anyway so no idea who would be interested in him. But given his potential and talent there'd be quite many I think.

And sure thing we have no idea what he'd really want. But logically, if he and his entourage are wise enough they should prioritize game time and the right environment for him.
 
Even if we do sign him, would he even play that often? Seems like he’d be another Amad type signing, no? Could we rely on him to be our DM every week?
 
2 man midfield said:
Even if we do sign him, would he even play that often? Seems like he’d be another Amad type signing, no? Could we rely on him to be our DM every week?
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Wiki says he's played 82 times for Rennes, this is the issue with him he'll expect first team football but someone of his age starting week in week out in midfield for Man Utd? He'd have to be very good

Amad barely played for Atalanta so different kettle of fish there
 
charlenefan said:
Wiki says he's played 82 times for Rennes, this is the issue with him he'll expect first team football but someone of his age starting week in week out in midfield for Man Utd? He'd have to be very good

Amad barely played for Atalanta so different kettle of fish there
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Fair point. Just a bit sceptical that he’d be the answer to our midfield prayers really.
 
As I said in another thread
Fred 50 million signed in his prime
Matic 40 million signed in his prime Herrera played his prime years here
McT

None of them really worked for any longer than a few games before we were exposed

If people are against signing an 18 year old because he won’t balance a midfield with Pogba then at this stage they need to wake up. All the above have tried and failed. It’s not about Pogba. It’s about the future long term.
 
Ali Dia said:
As I said in another thread
Fred 50 million signed in his prime
Matic 40 million signed in his prime Herrera played his prime years here
McT

None of them really worked for any longer than a few games before we were exposed

If people are against signing an 18 year old because he won’t balance a midfield with Pogba then at this stage they need to wake up. All the above have tried and failed. It’s not about Pogba. It’s about the future long term.
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Maybe as a club our midfield philosophy needs to be improved?? We're clearly doing something very wrong in the centre of the pitch.
 
charlenefan said:
Wiki says he's played 82 times for Rennes, this is the issue with him he'll expect first team football but someone of his age starting week in week out in midfield for Man Utd? He'd have to be very good

Amad barely played for Atalanta so different kettle of fish there
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He is very good. 2 full seasons in France, here's his stats:

19-20: 4.2 tackle, 1.4 interception, 0.8 dribble, 89.7& pass completion, 7.12 avg rating
20-21: 2.8 tackle, 0.7 interception, 1.2 dribble, 89% pass completion, 6.80, avg rating

We can compare him with Herrera over the same period, someone we are familiar with:

19-20: 2.4 tackle, 0.8 interception, 0.3 dribble, 93% pass completion, 6.87 avg rating
20-21: 1.7 tackle, 1 interception, 0.4 dribble, 91.1% pass completion, 6.82 avg rating
 
2 man midfield said:
Even if we do sign him, would he even play that often? Seems like he’d be another Amad type signing, no? Could we rely on him to be our DM every week?
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No, would barely get game time here ahead of Fred and McT, wouldn't expect to see him play as a main player for a couple of years.
 
Redcy said:
No, would barely get game time here ahead of Fred and McT, wouldn't expect to see him play as a main player for a couple of years.
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Not sure on that. From what I’ve seen i think he could quite easily steal minutes from McTominay.
 
I would rather go after this guy than Rice if I'm honest as he might be younger but got more to his game
 
MadDogg said:
Fred was good pretty much all 19/20 and the first few months of 20/21. He was quite inconsistent since January though which seems to have led to a narrative that he's always been like that, which really wasn't the case for the previous 18 months.
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Fred has been Brazil's best player in the Copa, some say player of the tournament so far.

I know it's a different tempo and style of football, but it shows how talented the lad is. I think he has a lot to offer and Ole should definitely keep him.
 
Ali Dia said:
As I said in another thread
Fred 50 million signed in his prime
Matic 40 million signed in his prime Herrera played his prime years here
McT

None of them really worked for any longer than a few games before we were exposed

If people are against signing an 18 year old because he won’t balance a midfield with Pogba then at this stage they need to wake up. All the above have tried and failed. It’s not about Pogba. It’s about the future long term.
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Opinions I suppose but Matic was well past his prime when we signed him

I wasn’t keen on either him or Dier who we were in for as well that summer and was hoping we’d sign Fabinho before Liverpool took him for literally the same transfer fee :mad:
 
Imo this deal will be dragged on until the last days of the window. They'll wait for the best offer possible.
 
So he’d probably be looking for 125k a week and over…… still… I think they are asking for that amount because they feel they’ll be able to get it off his next club. 6.5 million a year - 32.5 over a five year deal. If he fulfils his promise he could easily be worth Pogba money. It’s better than trying to buy him for 90-100 and paying him double in a few years?
 
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€500k a month may sound silly for a 18 yo but not this one imo. He's worth it.

I've said a couple pages ago that around £80k-100k a week should be what he wants.
 
Strelok said:
Of course, I was talking about the hypothetical potential destinations for him. It's only 3rd July there's like two months left for him to find a new club anyway so no idea who would be interested in him. But given his potential and talent there'd be quite many I think.

And sure thing we have no idea what he'd really want. But logically, if he and his entourage are wise enough they should prioritize game time and the right environment for him.
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Your last sentence though, just look at the clubs midfilders purely as names on paper, as sure the agents and Camavinga arent watching all the games:

Dortmund: Dahoud, Can, Delaney, Bellingham, Witsel, Hazard
PSG: Verratti, Gueye, Herrera, Paredes, Rafinha
Us: Pogba, VDB, Fred, Matic, McTominay

We know our midfielders arent working but looking at that list purely as players, are PSG actually stacked in comparison? I would argue as a group its possibly the weakest of the three, only Veratti stands out
 
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