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Eduardo Camavinga / signs for Real Madrid
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What are you guys talking about. The only place you'll read about United lacking a sense of direction is around here. And you've just made your mind up that the coaches and management are incompetent, so to you they are. While Sancho and Camavinga are shiny new toys to mask the underlying hopelessness, and yet somehow less shiny than you think United signings ought to be
But don't worry. Soon the season will be underway, and there'll be plenty of games we don't win by three goals or more, where you'll have ample opportunity to moan. Have fun.
Even though he isn't much of a DM, I do think he has the attributes to kind of play the all action role, similar to what Kante does, especially because from what I've seen of the kid - he has an engine. Would be immense for us in a few years imo.
Good post. For me it all boils down to can Ole really take the next step in developing our style of play while also winning. It’s by far the most difficult step. We should be top 4 every year given our outlay so I get it that last season was nothing special. Based on last season I also have my own doubts but I obviously still really want him to be the one to succeed because he’ll stick around long term and build something if he can. I agree a marquee 21 year old and 18 year old don't guarantee us anything so he’s going to have to get us playing better as a unit. Sancho at least gives us added impetus and creatively instead of a shooter on both wings. He should also allow Rashford to get fit again without being rushed back half ready.
What I can get on board with and enjoy is that the squad that will be left behind if he can’t do it will be in better shape. I know you love Pogba but chances are he still just wants to leave rather than being forced out by anyone. I really think the club have done ok by him apart from not knowing how to play him with Bruno. We suffered a lot for creativity during his injuries too. I wrote a fairly lengthy post about it so I won’t go over it again but I think we tried our best but we’ve been a club in constant transition. Our recruitment failure rate has been nothing short of shocking the last 8 years. That can’t help matters. The waste is beyond any comprehension really.
I’m much more hopeful about at least building a solid base for the future with Murtough and Fletcher on board. They can really get to know targets before we move for them. I can see some kind of strategy taking shape and a consistent profile of player we are interested in. Bellingham - Camavinga. Sancho - Amad etc Ole and the squad might just surprise you next year? Who knows at this stage? Adding potential world class quality can’t hurt
Fingers crossed!
The bolded is what it's gonna be all about, if the board back Ole and bring in for example (Sancho + quality CB+ quality CM/DM), and assuming Pogba stays/renews, that means the squad will have good quality, and it is on the manager to maximize it to a level greater than the sum of its parts, I wouldn't demand PL title, but the minimum with such team that has a great mix of youth and experience is at least challenge & contend for the PL title.
I agree - to be honest he strikes me more as a potential pogba replacement / successor than a DM ... that said Im sure he could do at least as good a job in that DM role as MCfred and matic do and if its a role he plays for a while he could become very adept at it (though I still think he looks like a player that I would like to see a little further forward)
In some games he has looked like a young viera - in other games hes looked a long way off that but at 18 im more interested in his good games rather than his bad as inconsistency is to be expected at that age.
With Him Bellingham and Gravenbirch there is three really impressive youngsters in that central mid role all showing great potential ... All three seem destined to be at the top for a long time to come and having missed out on Bellingham last year I hope we are in for Camavinga this summer
You clearly haven’t a clue what you’re on about.
We seem to have a lot of avid watchers of Rennes on this thread. Hahahaha
I appreciate we have some French people on here and some who are avid watchers of Ligue 1 but the vast majority of people talking this lad up I bet couldn't name the stadium Rennes play in, their manager or any other player bar Camavinga. I know I can't. I will happily admit it.
Think we need to hear from the Ligue 1 experts on this one.
I appreciate we have some French people on here and some who are avid watchers of Ligue 1 but the vast majority of people talking this lad up I bet couldn't name the stadium Rennes play in, their manager or any other player bar Camavinga. I know I can't. I will happily admit it.
Think we need to hear from the Ligue 1 experts on this one.
2 done, only him left. Want a triple announcement. Come on Eduardo, you want it as well.
If it's a genuine interest from us and not only rumours I expect things to happen quite quickly since both he and Varane are heading to Japan soon...
I hope that he prioritize game time, he is still developing and I don't think that he is ready for a big club, he also has no business being on someone's bench.
if he costs 50m then only big clubs can afford him
at least at United he'll have a realistic chance of breaking into the first team next season
Imo he's not a Pogba replacement. They're quite different types of players. Camavinga is more like a Verratti type and I do hope he could grow into that level in a couple of years.
Rennes definitely should sell him this summer. Around £40m seems fair to me since his contract has only one year left.
Our biggest issues are RW and CB and it seems they'd be adressed with the singing of Sancho and Varane (the later if reports are true of course).
McFred is no top quality but imo they're enough for the time being, like for the next 1-2 years. Imo Ole is planning for the next few years not only this year. Hannibal would be ready in another year or two, I have very high hope for the lad and with the signing of Camavinga our midfield would be settled for at least 4-5 years:
Camavinga - Hannibal
Bruno
Where Bruno does Bruno things, Camavinga offer the all rounded solid anchor and Hannibal a box to box or playmaker. Both Camavinga and Hannibal are very physically strong, athletic and talented. Imo both would very well able to develop to some world class midfielders one day.
Of course I can't see the future but I do hope we'd sign him and one day I can see the midfield above come to life. Would be very interesting I think.
Oy mate, i have been watching 4 videos of Camavinga since yesterday and i can say this kid got it!
Sign him up!
That's the second time someone has said Varane is going to the Olympics. Was he added to the squad because he wasn't named in the original one:
I agree he should prioritise game time, but he can definitely get that at a 'big club' and I think it could be best for his development. Every single one of Europe's top teams have shown they're prepared to give youngsters plenty of minutes if they're good enough and, most importantly, fill a hole in the squad.
Barcelona have no problem fielding teenagers with Pedri and Fati getting a lot of minutes this season. Real Madrid have played Vinicius a lot since he signed as a teenager. PSG with Mbappe, Atletico with Felix, Juventus with De Ligt etc, etc.
So the question isn't whether he should join a big team, because he will. It's which top club he fits into that will give him the minutes he needs. Real look like perfect suitors with Kroos, Modric and Casemiero all aging and Camavinga would become a first team regular off the bat imo. Bayern could fit him in alongside Goretzka or Kimmich. Even Barcelona could give him a lot of gametime with a midfield 3 of Camavinga, DeJong and Busquets.
In England, he would probably need to steer clear of City and Chelsea for gametime, and I don't see Solskjaer starting him ahead of Pogba or Fred in the majority of games. Its unfortunate because I would love him at Utd, but I think Liverpool would be a great fit for him. He would be the creative engine they need with Fabinho past his best and Thiago not working out. Guaranteed minutes. So yeah, prioritising gametime and development, and chosing a top club are not mutually exclusive in his case
That’s muppet commitment right there, love it.Oy mate, i have been watching 4 videos of Camavinga since yesterday and i can say this kid got it!
Sign him up!
Pogba replacement but also a Hannibal competition
Cama
Cama
Cama
Cama
Cama
Cama-vingaaa
He wins the ball
He wins the balllllllll
Cama
Cama
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Cama
Cama-vingaaa
He wins the ball
He wins the balllllllll
But I don't think that is ready, he is comparable to none of the players that you mentioned, he didn't had a particularly good season and it's still a mystery on what his best role is. I don't even think that Tchouaméni is ready and he has been way better than Camavinga this season.
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Best part of the year mate is silly transfer muppet season!
Probably went through 30 F5 buttons since i joined the glorious caf
This song is too perfect for us not to complete the deal. It would be irresponsible.
Cama
Cama
Cama
Cama
Cama- chameleon !
He wins the ball
He passes the ball
He tackles the ball
He is our...
Cama
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Cama- chameleon !
Oh but it's such a god-awful horrible song. Can't we find something better?
Stan Ridgway's "Camouflage"?
Oh oh oh oh Camavinga
Things are never quite the way they seem
Oh oh oh oh Camavinga
He is the...whatever... of the team
No?
Andre-Pierre Gignac is still knocking around in the Mexican league and France are taking him to the Olympics?
What would you say to him getting the playing time here to develop? Is it the pressure/mental aspect that concerns you? If we allowed for growing pains, mistakes and all, and gave the necessary playing time, would it still be the same issue for you?
I've got an idea, they don't want to sell unless it's a big offer, why don't Utd buy him and loan him back for a season as he's still quite young and it'll do him good,
That way if Pogba leaves for free next summer we'll have a direct replacement ready, especially if Rice is an option this summer.
That way if Pogba leaves for free next summer we'll have a direct replacement ready, especially if Rice is an option this summer.
For me the issue is that I think that it can be particularly problematic to take an 18 years old player who is playing week in week out and reduce dramatically his game time, Saliba or Sanches are examples. You are completely changing the dynamic of his development at an age where continuity and comfort are important. I also don't think that big clubs allow growing pains and mistakes while giving significant game time unless they are forced to like with Fati or Pedri. But if the club has faith in him and considers that he has an actual chance to play big minutes then it obviously changes my outlook.
I'm not sure I'd think of him as a "creative engine", though naturally it depends what you mean by that. His outstanding areas seems to be tackling, dribbling and carrying the ball generally, drawing fouls and penalties, middle 3rd pressing, goal-creating and shot-creating actions and accurate long passes. Ie, strong defensively, and also a contributor in the oppo 3rd - but more a ball-carrier than a passer, it seems?
Statistically at least he looks pretty impressive generally, for an 18-year old.
I'd be very surprised - if our interest is genuine and plausible - that we'd not be looking to fit him into our first XI. I think McTominay would play alongside him when we need height, but Fred would likely be paired with him for the most part.
Who is the other than Sancho?
Varane.. duh
OK. I had a feeling that was your take. What I suspect is that we see he's already better than Fred and McTominay in certain aspects and will be a legitimate threat to take their place in the team. I also think we'd allow for him to grow whilst doing so, mistakes and all, because both Fred and McTominay have mistakes in them whilst showing next to no upside for those mistakes - basically, we field them because we have to and not because we're accepting of the flaws and holes in their respective games.
I'm torn on the minutes played because there's a fine line between too many games and too little for youngsters having a portion of their development in the adult game. What would you say is an acceptable (you'd be happy with) amount of games for him over a season in the PL?
Did you have the same opinion when we purchased VDB or Dalot?
Any substance behind this one more than wishful thinking?
Not even faintly.
He is at a point where he should be a starter somewhere, we are not talking about someone that is coming from youth football. He is in the phase of his development than Saka and not like Mejbri, the former needs to continue playing with his current load while the other needs to see his load increase regularly in the coming months/years.
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