Agree. This won't be sorted soon. We'll also assess Garner when he's back for pre-season and maybe weigh it up then.
Eduardo Camavinga / signs for Real Madrid
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How the actual feck can you not be impressed with how this boy plays especially given his age. Bellingham is bossing it and is barely out of nappies!
If its 500k after tax then its a shit load.. wont happen..
If not, then sure.. the going rate I suppose..
If not, then sure.. the going rate I suppose..
It's per month.
I know
I made the same mistake and was wondering who the hell does he think he is to demand that kind of wages. I can breathe again now.
Besides that's what he's asking his current club. For us, he'd likely ask for more.
500k euros per month is 100k pounds per week which we can easily match with some bonuses. Even transfer fee should not be an issue. The biggest issue is if we can convince him to come to us
I think the main problem will be whether PSG want him or not. If they do, I can't see us getting him.
He should just stay put for another year though. His price will price him out of going to a club that can guarantee game-time, which should be his priority at his age.
I hope we get him if he is leaving but if his advisors were sensible they'd tell him to extend his contract at Rennes by one year and assess the situation next summer.
He should just stay put for another year though. His price will price him out of going to a club that can guarantee game-time, which should be his priority at his age.
I hope we get him if he is leaving but if his advisors were sensible they'd tell him to extend his contract at Rennes by one year and assess the situation next summer.
I know I have an Edu-hardon.
Euros too not Sterling
Spot on. If we want the top youth talent, pay the money. He is a player that can start plenty of games too, unlike Amed who still needs to find his feet in the game.
Can he pass the ball?
Presumably would need some time before he is ready to start every week but he has two full season of senior football in a big 5 league. Amad had played 4-5 games mostly as substitute.
Camavinga would absolutely play. He's class and quality on and off the ball.
I think that he needs to move now if wants to improve. He already got plenty of game time at a young age, now he needs to take another step up and fights for his spot at a greater club. I don't like seeing young players be guaranteed starters at a young age.
With that being said, he should probably aim lower than top 4 clubs.
Yeah I agree that would make sense. But who though? If he's costing £50m+ there are only a few clubs that can afford it in this market, and they are clubs he'll struggle to get a lot of games.
I rate OGS would play him. Suits the whole “play youth” mantra that United used to have (and still does). We showed quite a lot of it at the end of the season with Elanga etc. Having a young player that has Camavinga’s ceiling would definitely warrant game time.
Have there been any solid links for this?
If I remember correctly, he only mentioned being flattered by being linked with Real and Bayern.
Need to go watch some videos, but rather not build the excitement if he's not coming here.
If I remember correctly, he only mentioned being flattered by being linked with Real and Bayern.
Need to go watch some videos, but rather not build the excitement if he's not coming here.
Common sense goes out the window in this thread mate
The definition of "solid links" varies from person to person to be fair. Some still want to deny us actually being in for Varane. This is obviously in the very early stages, if its to happen, doubt it'll be wrapped up anytime soon.
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I have no doubt we are interested but I feel him coming is dependent on sales.
Ole hasn’t trusted young players for ages, in fact one of the cafs criticisms is that he doesn’t rotate and utilises players in wrong positions when we have young players available
It's more like a handful of posters on the CAF who criticise the approach to youth.
In reality I think most supporters trust Ole to play young players who warrant that chance.
If Camavinga arrives amd is good enough I'm sure Ole would play him.
Other than Amad perhaps getting a couple more opportunities and Gomes perhaps in 19/20, there weren't really any youngsters who should have been given more of a chance than they got. Everybody else was either poor when given opportunities, out on loan, injured at the time they perhaps would have gotten a chance, or simply not ready yet.
There's a couple of vocal posters who keep shouting about Ole not giving kids a chance, but they can't actually give proper examples of who and when.
James Greenwood McTominnay all disagree
WHy? Amad had played about three times for Atalanta, Camavinga has playerd about 80games, this isnt anything like the signings of Hannibal and Amad that were expensive. Keep in mind this is a player in the last year of his contract that will cost £40m+, this is a £60-70m+ player were it not for his contract. This is like signing a Keane, Ferdinand, Rooney to a degree, cream of the crop youngsers only the worlds a smaller place now so not just UK but Europe.
Why wouldnt he play? There is a lot of criticism of every midfielder we have McFred not being good enough, Pogba unable to play in the pivot, VDB not making a mark with opportunities, Matic being old. People were saying the same about Bellingham last summer and also about Grealish not getting games ahead of Rashford or Fernandes....both of those would have and there performances over the last season show they would actually walk into our side now. Camavinga is in the same level in terms of ability. I think he would be a regular starter within a couple of months of joining us and a pivotal player by the end of the season. Amad and Hannibal also have great ability, but nothing like the same experience when they were signed. I think both could get more opportunities next season even with the signing of Sancho if they are not loaned....but the emphasis is opportunities sporadically, Camavinga I think would get them regularly and more importantly is ready for them, we saw last season Amad isnt quite there yet and Hannibal I think had an injury and seemed so young mentally when we signed him and also an injury I think held him back
Further forward, you can add Reina and Fernandes and several others
Already tier above McTominay so I am sure he would start. The question is how good is he defensively in case we rest Fred but shouldn't be a big concern as he looked to me as he doesn't mind to do some dirty work too.
Just wonder if he would like to go to us. I mean it would make sense for him, quite a huge step for him but unlike elsewhere in top clubs we have a hole in the squad in midfield and he would get plenty of time to develop and take huge strides in his development here than if he spend few years in Bundesliga in a team like Dortmund. Imean even that would be a great move for him but EPL is a different animal and playing in the best and most competetive league in the world would make him a better player much faster.
Just wonder if he would like to go to us. I mean it would make sense for him, quite a huge step for him but unlike elsewhere in top clubs we have a hole in the squad in midfield and he would get plenty of time to develop and take huge strides in his development here than if he spend few years in Bundesliga in a team like Dortmund. Imean even that would be a great move for him but EPL is a different animal and playing in the best and most competetive league in the world would make him a better player much faster.
Mctominay is a mourinho product. He was already around the first team. For a while before ole. Ole has literally run Bruno into the ground refusing to play youngsters or even a signing from last year. Whether it be due to trust or stupidity is irrelevant, his squad rotation has been awful
United product not Mourinho who has developed into a good player under Ole and not Mourinho. Nice of you to omit Greenwood and James though
No. what Caf wanted was to see young players playing games regardless of their performance or experience, if they play well thats good but if they play bad we'll thrown him into fit of fire. Ole was smart enough to follow sAF footstep rather than wenger's.
Not irrelevant at all if that back up player is a such downgrade from the first option. People talked RL footie like FM whenever you fecked up you can always reset the game and re-start it again.
We need some new tweets linking us with interest… feed the muppets
Need to get Varane deal sorted first, then it'll be onto this one. Although I do think we'll need to make some sales first.
I didn't omit them, you were just right about greenwood and ole bought James so he would obviously play him. Why would I mention them?
I'm inclined to agree with you but I think this coming season will really show whether he trusts academy players. We have a number coming through who should be getting game time. If Mata and Matic take their minutes I'll be really annoyed. Can't believe we have extended Mata tbh.
I feel like I've been hearing about James garners skill and talent for 3 years but he's yet to get a rub of games. Tuanzebe was never given a real run of games. VDB given 10 minutes every few games to do something when Bruno is dying for a rest. If ole didn't play here, he'd be crucified for the lack of youth and squad rotation
Eh if Hannibal barely gets a look in next season then we’ll talk but for now I’ve no real issue with Ole’s handling of the kids.
In the history of the PL there have been very few 18 year olds playing in central midfield with regularity. I don't think it's because Ole is risk averse or doesn't believe in Garner. It's that it's hard to play stick thin youth products that are tactically underdeveloped in such a position. I think this is why it's always been easier to play attacking youth products, hence the fleeting appearances of Elanga, Amad and Shoretire. The loan route has always been key for midfield hopefuls and that's what we're seeing. Perfectly normal and sensible handling.
I think the VDB and Tuanzebe situations are quite different to the handling of youth. They just really haven't been very good, that's a decision on performance and form. The manager doesn't trust them as rotation options because they've been poor, even at the expense of creating fatigue in the squad. Maybe he's right or maybe he's wrong on that but the individuals didn't really advance their case either.
Plenty of young players under 20 nail a starting spot at big clubs, like Davies at Bayern, Billingham at BVB, Pedri & Fati at Barcelona, Saka at Arsenal, so if we buy Camavinga, there's a chance that he becomes a starter, it all depends on how he performs when selected to play.
Greenwood at United. Now name clubs that throw 4/5 of them in the side at the same time
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