Eden Hazard

Massive Spanner said:
:lol: Oh dear.

Chelsea are clearly one of the biggest club's in the world now. I'd say they're a tier below us, Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve.

This idea of clinging on to past glories and history in order to justify a club being 'big' is beyond me, really. Current fanbase, revenue and trophies is what matters. If Chelsea lose those things then clearly they will drop off from the world's biggest clubs, just like AC Milan and Inter Milan have in recent years.
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And I wouldn't agree but you've simply agreed with my point. The biggest in the world are the tier one teams. Chelsea would be below that tier.
 
Orc said:
Hugely disingenuous to say there's no serious interest from other clubs. Obviously every big club in the world would be interested. It's just that he'd cost Neymar money and none of them will pay that.
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He wouldn't. He would cost less. It never prevented Barca from acquiring Coutinho for instance.
Don _ Conte said:
I think your correct tbf, Balloon D'or is way too much about statistics now and whilst I do expect Hazard to hit extremely good numbers under Sarri, it wont be enough I don't think.

Chelsea fans know his capabilities though, he can win us games without even scoring and has done so.

The fact he is inconsistent is an absolute myth, he did have a very poor season under Jose granted. But outside of that I don't think there's a player since that has had more MOTM in the premier league. The fact he has had to drop deep and playmake under defensive managers like Conte & Jose has hindered his stats massively. Stat lovers will finally be shut up this year
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Thank for fully grasping what I meant. He is a great player and ultimately if he wants to win a Ballon d'Or he will have to leave Chelsea. No other way.

RooneyLegend said:
Why would you be so sure? Sarri's Chelsea will likely hit it's stride next season and They'll likely be competing for every thing with him leading them.
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Because the season is barely starting and Chelsea aren't in the CL. EL means feck all, just look at Griezmann winning the EL, scoring in the final (even winning the World Cup). He has zero chances at Chelsea
 
kouroux said:
He wouldn't. He would cost less. It never prevented Barca from acquiring Coutinho for instance.

He would've cost £200m at least this summer and probably the last one, he's on his last year of his contract now so I think Chelsea would want similar to Coutinho money which I cant see a club paying when he has one more year left. Matt law seemed to think both Barca & Real have enquired a lot but when your being knocked back with a £200m roughly price tag it is off putting for teams. Plus as mentioned above Chelsea don't tend to sell our big players and Hazard for about 4 or 5 years has been by a distance our biggest player.

Thank for fully grasping what I meant. He is a great player and ultimately if he wants to win a Ballon d'Or he will have to leave Chelsea. No other way.

Yeah I think most likely, if we won the champions league that's the only way I see it happening, players from the Prem are not generally favoured in the rankings either tbh so it will be difficult for most of the good players in the prem to win a Ballon dor.

Because the season is barely starting and Chelsea aren't in the CL. EL means feck all, just look at Griezmann winning the EL, scoring in the final (even winning the World Cup). He has zero chances at Chelsea
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Agreed with this ^ the Europa league is what it is, its not the best standard of competition and winning it is a piece of silverware I suppose and it also guarantees CL football.
 
Best player in our league by a mile.

The only one worth an entrance fee in our league these days.
 
kouroux said:
He wouldn't. He would cost less. It never prevented Barca from acquiring Coutinho for instance.

Thank for fully grasping what I meant. He is a great player and ultimately if he wants to win a Ballon d'Or he will have to leave Chelsea. No other way.


Because the season is barely starting and Chelsea aren't in the CL. EL means feck all, just look at Griezmann winning the EL, scoring in the final (even winning the World Cup). He has zero chances at Chelsea
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If Hazard had moved this past window he certainly would've cost Neymar money. He's easily better than Coutinho and would therefore cost more.
 
@TheReligion Pretty much all researches on the matter point to chelsea having the 4th largest fanbase in the world
 
He's a brilliant footballer. Everyone other than Chelsea fans sound so depressed with him despite his level being terrific for years now. Apparently you must get a goal a game to be a great footballer. I'd take him over Salah anyday despite rating the Egyptian as the better goalscorer.
 
Orc said:
If Hazard had moved this past window he certainly would've cost Neymar money. He's easily better than Coutinho and would therefore cost more.
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Being better doesn't automatically mean costing more and costing a lot of money means feck all. Fact is nobody went for Hazard, if a supposedly Ballon d'Or candidate can be signed, no matter the price, it will never prevent some clubs from doing so.
 
Don _ Conte said:
Agreed with this ^ the Europa league is what it is, its not the best standard of competition and winning it is a piece of silverware I suppose and it also guarantees CL football.
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I meant it in relation to winning to Ballon d'Or. I like the Europa League tbh, it is a great competition IMO. I just don't think it helps his chances at all (should Chelsea win it).
A lot of assumtion is based on him keeping his current great form throughout the whole season which he never has in his career.
Maybe he will, maybe he won't, time will tell. First serious test is against Liverpool on the 29th (hoping he tears them apart)
 
Member 5225 said:
:lol: the sudden Hazard lovefest.
Lads, he scored at home against lowly struggling Cardiff!

Look forward to another rebump if this thread in 2/3 months time!
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Bang on, usual with Hazard, plays great against weak sides and back to most talented footballer of all time/best in the world/future ballon d'or winning blah blah blah.

One of the most overrated footballers in the history of the game, gets people wax lyrical over dribbling in areas that don't hurt the opposition or trying to beat a man over and over. Don't get me started on useless use of assists, people hyping the likes of Fabregas and Ozil up on assists that can be simple 2 yard passes or from set plays...

His scoring is 1 in 3 for Chelsea, when you exclude penalties it's 1 in 4. Nowhere near strong enough for an apparent elite world class footballer! His return in the CL is absolutely woeful with 8 goals in 44 games. Half of those have been pens and some against poor sides such as Maribor and Qarabag. Europa League return is 3 in 23. The excuse for a weak return of 11 goals in 67 European games for him is laughable.

His performances at the world cup were over-hyped as well. Not sure what was more overrated his tournament or England, probably latter considering there was a orgasm feast over beating weak sides and sneaking past an above average Colombia side without their best player.

Until Hazard does it consistently in the UCL and Internationally he will always be a tier below the best players in the world.
 
Real bought Mariano this summer. Barca bought Vermaleen and Andre Gomes recently whether or not Real or Barca are interested is not the best barometer of a player's quality
 
kouroux said:
Being better doesn't automatically mean costing more and costing a lot of money means feck all. Fact is nobody went for Hazard, if a supposedly Ballon d'Or candidate can be signed, no matter the price, it will never prevent some clubs from doing so.
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Again, you're making it sound as though these clubs aren't interested because he's not that good. In reality, they aren't after him because he's prohibitively expensive.
 
Orc said:
Again, you're making it sound as though these clubs aren't interested because he's not that good. In reality, they aren't after him because he's prohibitively expensive.
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No that is not what I am saying. That is your interpretation because you are a bit in the defensive when it comes to him.
He is a very good player but a tier below the world's best and those who seriously compete on a yearly basis for the highest individual awards. The fact that none of the biggest clubs have seriously went after him also says that he is not up there yet.
It is about nuances.
 
Mark_Barca said:
Bang on, usual with Hazard, plays great against weak sides and back to most talented footballer of all time/best in the world/future ballon d'or winning blah blah blah.

One of the most overrated footballers in the history of the game, gets people wax lyrical over dribbling in areas that don't hurt the opposition or trying to beat a man over and over. Don't get me started on useless use of assists, people hyping the likes of Fabregas and Ozil up on assists that can be simple 2 yard passes or from set plays...

His scoring is 1 in 3 for Chelsea, when you exclude penalties it's 1 in 4. Nowhere near strong enough for an apparent elite world class footballer! His return in the CL is absolutely woeful with 8 goals in 44 games. Half of those have been pens and some against poor sides such as Maribor and Qarabag. Europa League return is 3 in 23. The excuse for a weak return of 11 goals in 67 European games for him is laughable.

His performances at the world cup were over-hyped as well. Not sure what was more overrated his tournament or England, probably latter considering there was a orgasm feast over beating weak sides and sneaking past an above average Colombia side without their best player.

Until Hazard does it consistently in the UCL and Internationally he will always be a tier below the best players in the world.
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Couldn't have said it better. He is a very good players but not up there yet because he still hasn't done at the highest level of international nor club football.
 
kouroux said:
Couldn't have said it better. He is a very good players but not up there yet because he still hasn't done at the highest level of international nor club football.
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He's won everything there is to win at club football apart from the Champions League and captained his country to a record-breaking 3th place finish whilst being arguably the best or second best player in the tournament.

And if you're talking about consistency, he's been elected to the TOTY four times out of six during his stay in the Premier League.
 
kouroux said:
No that is not what I am saying. That is your interpretation because you are a bit in the defensive when it comes to him.
He is a very good player but a tier below the world's best and those who seriously compete on a yearly basis for the highest individual awards. The fact that none of the biggest clubs have seriously went after him also says that he is not up there yet.
It is about nuances.
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Once again Real signed Mariano is he suddenly one of the best players in the World.
 
RobinLFC said:
He's won everything there is to win at club football apart from the Champions League and captained his country to a record-breaking 3th place finish whilst being arguably the best or second best player in the tournament.

And if you're talking about consistency, he's been elected to the TOTY four times out of six during his stay in the Premier League.
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And still nowhere near being a Ballon d'Or winner. As long as he stays at Chelsea, he has incredibly low chances. CL is the most important club trophy for individual recognition and he has been underwhelming there. He had a good world cup indeed but still not the best player of the tournament. He is lacking truly eye catching performances at the highest level.
Keeps It tidy said:
Once again Real signed Mariano is he suddenly one of the best players in the World.
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They signed him to be a bench player. Not a superstar. Really not the same role so mentionning him is weird
 
I did notice hazard divides opinion.
Maybe this helps.He is a ballon d'or contender but not a winner for obvious reasons of achievment.
 
Mark_Barca said:
Bang on, usual with Hazard, plays great against weak sides and back to most talented footballer of all time/best in the world/future ballon d'or winning blah blah blah.

One of the most overrated footballers in the history of the game, gets people wax lyrical over dribbling in areas that don't hurt the opposition or trying to beat a man over and over. Don't get me started on useless use of assists, people hyping the likes of Fabregas and Ozil up on assists that can be simple 2 yard passes or from set plays...

His scoring is 1 in 3 for Chelsea, when you exclude penalties it's 1 in 4. Nowhere near strong enough for an apparent elite world class footballer! His return in the CL is absolutely woeful with 8 goals in 44 games. Half of those have been pens and some against poor sides such as Maribor and Qarabag. Europa League return is 3 in 23. The excuse for a weak return of 11 goals in 67 European games for him is laughable.

His performances at the world cup were over-hyped as well. Not sure what was more overrated his tournament or England, probably latter considering there was a orgasm feast over beating weak sides and sneaking past an above average Colombia side without their best player.

Until Hazard does it consistently in the UCL and Internationally he will always be a tier below the best players in the world.
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Who does the tier that he is below consist of? If it is Messi and Ronaldo then fair enough, but if you don't think hes at the very least on the same wavelength of the Neymar's and De Bruynes, Robbens, then you actually really no nothing about football.
 
kouroux said:
No that is not what I am saying. That is your interpretation because you are a bit in the defensive when it comes to him.
He is a very good player but a tier below the world's best and those who seriously compete on a yearly basis for the highest individual awards. The fact that none of the biggest clubs have seriously went after him also says that he is not up there yet.
It is about nuances.
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Real Madrid did inquire after him this summer according to Kristof Terreur during the Courtois negociations.
Chelsea just blankly refused to entertain the idea of him leaving.
Ps: After the U17 Championships in 2007 Barcelona actively tried to recruit him aswell but he opted to stay at Lille.
 
BridgeBanter said:
Who does the tier that he is below consist of? If it is Messi and Ronaldo then fair enough, but if you don't think hes at the very least on the same wavelength of the Neymar's and De Bruynes, Robbens, then you actually really no nothing about football.
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This is what I wanna know. If the "top tier of footballers" is a group of only 2 then no, Hazard isn't Messi or CR7. I wouldn't have anyone other than those two ahead of him, though.

He's on the same level as Neymar, Modric, etc.
 
Orc said:
This is what I wanna know. If the "top tier of footballers" is a group of only 2 then no, Hazard isn't Messi or CR7. I wouldn't have anyone other than those two ahead of him, though.

He's on the same level as Neymar, Modric, etc.
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I think the next tier of attacking players after Messi and CR7 is Neymar, Mbappe, and probably Coutinho as well. Hazard is just below that. I can't put Hazard on the same level as Neymar, who has produced seasons Hazard couldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. Same with Mbappe, while he's young, has already shown to be much more effective not just in Ligue 1 (which they both played in), but also completely dwarfs him in the Champion's league playing with two different teams so far in his first two professional seasons.

Hazard is a bit overrated, simply because he still hasn't found a way to be consistently great, no matter the stage or opposition.
 
Sayros said:
I think the next tier of attacking players after Messi and CR7 is Neymar, Mbappe, and probably Coutinho as well. Hazard is just below that. I can't put Hazard on the same level as Neymar, who has produced seasons Hazard couldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. Same with Mbappe, while he's young, has already shown to be much more effective not just in Ligue 1 (which they both played in), but also completely dwarfs him in the Champion's league playing with two different teams so far in his first two professional seasons.

Hazard is a bit overrated, simply because he still hasn't found a way to be consistently great, no matter the stage or opposition.
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So mbappe is better than hazard now, based on 2 seasons. Also, the assertion that coutinho is better than hazard is absolutely laughable. Let's compare...Coutinho..5 seasons in pool, won nothing, one PFA team of the year. Eden hazard in 6 seasons, one POTY, 1 POTY runners, 1 YPoty, 2 league titles where he pretty much carried the attacking threat of Chelsea, 4 Team of the year inclusions. But yes, Hazard is overrated and continho is better. Maybe because barca bought coutinho and not hazard, as per the weird logic presented before.
 
Sayros said:
I think the next tier of attacking players after Messi and CR7 is Neymar, Mbappe, and probably Coutinho as well. Hazard is just below that. I can't put Hazard on the same level as Neymar, who has produced seasons Hazard couldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. Same with Mbappe, while he's young, has already shown to be much more effective not just in Ligue 1 (which they both played in), but also completely dwarfs him in the Champion's league playing with two different teams so far in his first two professional seasons.

Hazard is a bit overrated, simply because he still hasn't found a way to be consistently great, no matter the stage or opposition.
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Other than shooting from outside the box there isn't a single thing Coutinho is better than Hazard at. Hazard is considerably better than him in fact.

As for Mbappe, for me the fact that Hazard has been doing the business for about 8 years since he was dominating at Lille puts him above him.
 
Sayros said:
I think the next tier of attacking players after Messi and CR7 is Neymar, Mbappe, and probably Coutinho as well. Hazard is just below that. I can't put Hazard on the same level as Neymar, who has produced seasons Hazard couldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. Same with Mbappe, while he's young, has already shown to be much more effective not just in Ligue 1 (which they both played in), but also completely dwarfs him in the Champion's league playing with two different teams so far in his first two professional seasons.

Hazard is a bit overrated, simply because he still hasn't found a way to be consistently great, no matter the stage or opposition.
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I can understand putting him behind Neymar, but the other two are highly debatable. Coutinho playing on the same position as Hazard (LW/AM) and in same league for the last 4 years has had worse stats than Hazard for the majority. He also hasn't found a way to be consistently great for club or country.

As for Mbappe, while immensely talented we can't forget that he's part of
a) a France team that has incredible talents and depth in every position and
b) a PSG team that has no competition in France and in which he's 3rd fiddle behind Cavani and Neymar.

Whether he could be the talisman in a worse team and a tougher league (like Hazard has been for Chelsea) is very debatable.

I'd say after Neymar he's as good as anyone else and better than most. Even at the WC it was obvious he was Beligum's best player by a mile in a team with the attacking talents of Lukaku, KDB and Mertens.
 
kouroux said:
I am ready to bet my house that Hazard will never win a Ballon d'Or.
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And that would be extremely bold bet. If you said that it applies while he was at Chelsea it would hold much more weight, as Chelsea as a club do hurt his credentials a bit. As for apparent no interest, I am not so sure Madrid aren't interested.

There is a reason why he didn't sign that contract yet.
 
Jim Beam said:
And that would be extremely bold bet. If you said that it applies while he was at Chelsea it would hold much more weight, as Chelsea as a club do hurt his credentials a bit. As for apparent no interest, I am not so sure Madrid aren't interested.

There is a reason why he didn't sign that contract yet.
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It is a very safe bet to be honest. Hazard is just not good enough for it IMHO
 
Rito said:
So mbappe is better than hazard now, based on 2 seasons. Also, the assertion that coutinho is better than hazard is absolutely laughable. Let's compare...Coutinho..5 seasons in pool, won nothing, one PFA team of the year. Eden hazard in 6 seasons, one POTY, 1 POTY runners, 1 YPoty, 2 league titles where he pretty much carried the attacking threat of Chelsea, 4 Team of the year inclusions. But yes, Hazard is overrated and continho is better. Maybe because barca bought coutinho and not hazard, as per the weird logic presented before.
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No one would put Coutinho ahead of Hazard before Barca bought him.
 
kouroux said:
It is a very safe bet to be honest. Hazard is just not good enough for it IMHO
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Yeah, do realize you don't rate him that highly from what I read here. But, considering you're willing to bet a house on it count that he already was 7th or 8th one year, he is entering his prime years and you can make a solid case that he is in terms of talent and ability right up there. On his day, he is really unplayable and not so system dependent like Salah for example.

Now if Madrid does make a move he will have a solid chance imo and also that club factor will suddenly became an advantage in comparison to Neymar and Mbappe. I just wouldn't bet my house on it, that's all. :)
 
Tbh, players who play against him yearly in the same league say he is absolutely brilliant. Opposition managers wax lyrical about him. Zidane thinks he is incredible. I'll take the opinion of the pros and ex players over us lot.

He is the best player in the premier league right now, and arguably has been in the top 2-3 since he signed. It's that simple. Any club in the world would take him at the drop of a hat given the chance, and the slating of him and ridiculing his ability is jealousy. That simple.
 
It's abundantly clear that real madrid don't rate him anywhere near Neymar or Mbappé.

Coutinho was indeed better than Hazard last season

Hazard needs to do it in CL to be comparable to Neymar

His WC was good, but nothing special, not some all time performance that will be remembered 20 years from now, like say James in 2014
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
No one in their right mind would have Coutinho ahead of Hazard afterwards either frankly.
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I would.
He hangs onto the ball a bit too long for me. A top striker would throttle him when he slows down an attack as he continually plays for the foul.
Its one of the main reasons he falls short in CL imo.
 
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